DUST Search - Weapons that can't kill.

Dauth Jenkins wrote:

Dexter307 wrote:

Dauth Jenkins wrote:

Smooth Assassin wrote:

These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use.

Flaylock Pistol

Plasma Cannon

Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up)

Swarm Launcher

Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster)

Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos)

Breach weapon variants

You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them.

Lol, only the first two are unreliable. The ion pistols.... eh. Swarms work, forge guns work (Seriously your comparing a tank weapon to an infantry carried weapon) bolt pistols work, and personally, I like breach weapons, they work.

This is a troll post I hope
Ion pistol is a pointless gun
Lolswarms are useless except at proto. Even at proto it's not that good
Bolt pistols DPS is to low to be effective
many breach weapons like the breach SMG and breach AR are pointless

Bring your sick against my swarms, and we will see how effective they really are. Bolt pistols are selective weapons, and breach weapons cater to a specific play style. Ion pistols are, again, a selective weapon, to be used as a finisher. Pistols are supposed to be finishers, not primarily weapons. Smgs (the mini and caldari smgs) are meant to be used with specialty weapons, like swarms, snipers, and the like.

Just because you can't use the weapons doesn't necessarily mean the they are useless.

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Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1168	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:13:00 - [1] - Quote These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Assault Rifle (It is now harder for noobs to use the MLT or STD variant of the rifle) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable) You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. *Assassination is my thing.*
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2203	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:16:00 - [2] - Quote The Plasma Cannon is actually really potent for anti-infantry, though somehow nearly all charge based weapons got the short stick in 1.8, causing the PLC to be even worse than it was before 1.8. It's not impossible to kill with, but it's excessively unreliable that it will even fire a round that won't be delayed by roughly two to three seconds, which is followed by a time between two to four seconds where you cannot aim, fire, reload, or switch weapons. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
Thanjac Ruthless Chaos 123	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:16:00 - [3] - Quote I have gotten kills with all of those weapons except ion pistol Proud Commando/ARC Instructor "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2153	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:17:00 - [4] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Assault Rifle (It is now harder for noobs to use the MLT or STD variant of the rifle) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable) You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Remove the Assault Rifle and your list would be perfect. The AR, while not as powerful as it used to be, is still capable of killing pretty easily, and it remains a very easy weapon to use. It might be weak now, but nowhere near the level of the rest of this list.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4407	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:19:00 - [5] - Quote Remove the Plasma Rifle and Bolt Pistol and your list is pretty spot on. GEK and Duvolle still annihilate medium and light suits. The Bolt Pistol is like a pocket sniper rifle. The Ion Pistol is bad yet not bad yet terrible yet fun to use. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1168	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:23:00 - [6] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Remove the Plasma Rifle and Bolt Pistol and your list is pretty spot on. GEK and Duvolle still annihilate medium and light suits. The Bolt Pistol is like a pocket sniper rifle. The Ion Pistol is bad yet not bad yet terrible yet fun to use. You'd need about 2 clips to kill a heavy with a bolt pistol, yet only need 1 for the rail rifle, TTK is a bit too long against killing protos and heavies with this gun. *Assassination is my thing.*
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4407	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:30:00 - [7] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Remove the Plasma Rifle and Bolt Pistol and your list is pretty spot on. GEK and Duvolle still annihilate medium and light suits. The Bolt Pistol is like a pocket sniper rifle. The Ion Pistol is bad yet not bad yet terrible yet fun to use. You'd need about 2 clips to kill a heavy with a bolt pistol, yet only need 1 for the rail rifle, TTK is a bit too long against killing protos and heavies with this gun. If you're trying to kill a heavy with only a bolt pistol, you're doing something wrong -- it's a sidearm, not a primary weapon. The way I use the bolt pistol is flank them, open my attack with the bolt pistol from afar, mop them up with my GEK/Duvolle. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 164	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:32:00 - [8] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Assault Rifle (It is now harder for noobs to use the MLT or STD variant of the rifle) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable) You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Remove the Assault Rifle and your list would be perfect. The AR, while not as powerful as it used to be, is still capable of killing pretty easily, and it remains a very easy weapon to use. It might be weak now, but nowhere near the level of the rest of this list. ^^ Agree. I've been averaging about 1.00 KDR with a BPO AR and a BPO Caldari assault suit, and I'm not a good frontline fighter by any stretch, so I think that says something about the capabilities of the AR. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Strker Remorse OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:35:00 - [9] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Add all the sniper rifles. "That bastards been sitting up in the rocks all morning just waiting for two idiots to line up in his sights."
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 330	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:54:00 - [10] - Quote Strker Remorse wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Add all the sniper rifles. Sniper rifles are fine or do you expect to kill everything with 1 shot lol

Buster Friently Rosen Association 2156	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:57:00 - [11] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Strker Remorse wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Add all the sniper rifles. Sniper rifles are fine or do you expect to kill everything with 1 shot lol Sniper rifles are far from fine. Also, they should be one shotting. Not all the time, of course, but significantly more often than now. They would need a RoF nerf to compensate, but that would fit the sniper role better anyway.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2172	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:01:00 - [12] - Quote Forge Gun doesn't belong on that list. The first shot is buggy right now, but once I knew the IAFG workaround I'm back to blapping better than I was before. Murdered three tanks in one round of FW just yesterdayGÇª thanks, hardener nerf! (For the people who haven't read the solution yet: As soon as you spawn, fire one dud shot with the Assault FG then keep holding the trigger. Let it go after it's half-way charged. Then reload. Every shot afterward will fire just fine.) I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1303	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:26:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Remove the Plasma Rifle and Bolt Pistol and your list is pretty spot on. GEK and Duvolle still annihilate medium and light suits. The Bolt Pistol is like a pocket sniper rifle. The Ion Pistol is bad yet not bad yet terrible yet fun to use. Bolt pistol stays It's fun but weak 210 DPS and requiring perfect accuracy is not good
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1304	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:28:00 - [14] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Remove the Plasma Rifle and Bolt Pistol and your list is pretty spot on. GEK and Duvolle still annihilate medium and light suits. The Bolt Pistol is like a pocket sniper rifle. The Ion Pistol is bad yet not bad yet terrible yet fun to use. You'd need about 2 clips to kill a heavy with a bolt pistol, yet only need 1 for the rail rifle, TTK is a bit too long against killing protos and heavies with this gun. If you're trying to kill a heavy with only a bolt pistol, you're doing something wrong -- it's a sidearm, not a primary weapon. The way I use the bolt pistol is flank them, open my attack with the bolt pistol from afar, mop them up with my GEK/Duvolle. So why is it that most other sidearms can kill a heavy in one clip? Only the bolt, flaylock, and ion pistol can't. Bolt pistol should do significantly more damage
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 512	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:29:00 - [15] - Quote Swarm launchers are absolutely useless unless 4 or 5 blues fire 2 volleys within 4 seconds
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 382	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:34:00 - [16] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Lol, only the first two are unreliable. The ion pistols.... eh. Swarms work, forge guns work (Seriously your comparing a tank weapon to an infantry carried weapon) bolt pistols work, and personally, I like breach weapons, they work. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 382	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:35:00 - [17] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Remove the Plasma Rifle and Bolt Pistol and your list is pretty spot on. GEK and Duvolle still annihilate medium and light suits. The Bolt Pistol is like a pocket sniper rifle. The Ion Pistol is bad yet not bad yet terrible yet fun to use. You'd need about 2 clips to kill a heavy with a bolt pistol, yet only need 1 for the rail rifle, TTK is a bit too long against killing protos and heavies with this gun. Again, comparing a sidearm to a primary weapon -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 382	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:38:00 - [18] - Quote Buddha Brown wrote: Swarm launchers are absolutely useless unless 4 or 5 blues fire 2 volleys within 4 seconds Swarm launchers are fine, they are a light infantry weapon, so they should be pretty weak at the standard lvl at advanced, and especially at proto, they do quite well -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:44:00 - [19] - Quote Anyone want to comment on how the Gal assault bonus to AR dispersion feels? I elected to reallocate my SP from gal assault into the gal scout (along with the gal logi, cal logi and cal commando). Does the reduced kick/dispersion have any noticeable effect on TTK or ability to put rounds on target on the long end of effective range? Thanks, Aramis
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 373	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:44:00 - [20] - Quote I agree on most of the list. I can drop pretty awesome games with the Breach SMG however, though I admit they'd probably be better with an M209 Assault. I also agree with Aisha that if you use the Bolt Pistol selectively you can really destroy a lot of targets. But yeah you can't expect to beat a +750hp opponent easily with it. If you have cover it can be a pretty reliable finisher for armor though imo. The Scrambler Rifle is dead, long live the Scrambler Rifle!

Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1304	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:45:00 - [21] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Lol, only the first two are unreliable. The ion pistols.... eh. Swarms work, forge guns work (Seriously your comparing a tank weapon to an infantry carried weapon) bolt pistols work, and personally, I like breach weapons, they work. This is a troll post I hope Ion pistol is a pointless gun Lolswarms are useless except at proto. Even at proto it's not that good Bolt pistols DPS is to low to be effective many breach weapons like the breach SMG and breach AR are pointless
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2301	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:48:00 - [22] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Strker Remorse wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Add all the sniper rifles. Sniper rifles are fine or do you expect to kill everything with 1 shot lol their is quite the difference between 1 shot and 6 shots. I need to reload between killing heavies now and I am using a (caldari commando the best suited sniping suit with prof 5), and 2-3 shots for every scout, scouts are the one class you should be guarnteed to one shot.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 383	Posted - 2014.04.03 18:59:00 - [23] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Lol, only the first two are unreliable. The ion pistols.... eh. Swarms work, forge guns work (Seriously your comparing a tank weapon to an infantry carried weapon) bolt pistols work, and personally, I like breach weapons, they work. This is a troll post I hope Ion pistol is a pointless gun Lolswarms are useless except at proto. Even at proto it's not that good Bolt pistols DPS is to low to be effective many breach weapons like the breach SMG and breach AR are pointless Bring your sick against my swarms, and we will see how effective they really are. Bolt pistols are selective weapons, and breach weapons cater to a specific play style. Ion pistols are, again, a selective weapon, to be used as a finisher. Pistols are supposed to be finishers, not primarily weapons. Smgs (the mini and caldari smgs) are meant to be used with specialty weapons, like swarms, snipers, and the like. Just because you can't use the weapons doesn't necessarily mean the they are useless. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:08:00 - [24] - Quote calisk galern wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Strker Remorse wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Add all the sniper rifles. Sniper rifles are fine or do you expect to kill everything with 1 shot lol their is quite the difference between 1 shot and 6 shots. I need to reload between killing heavies now and I am using a (caldari commando the best suited sniping suit with prof 5), and 2-3 shots for every scout, scouts are the one class you should be guarnteed to one shot. Agreed. If I'm going to skill into proto caldari commando, run multiple damage mods and have prof 5 in sniper rifles, I should have some modicum of stopping power. In my estimation, it should be possible to kill a scout in 1-2 shots, an assault in 2-3 and a heavy in 4-5. Right now, using a sniper rifle feels like I have to wait for an injured gazelle to happen by. I want to eat something in it's prime! Enough with the sick and wounded! -Aramis
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1342	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:09:00 - [25] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Plasma Works - not always... Takes a lot of patience. Could use some serious tweaking by CCP Flaylock - I'm glad that the days of Glaylocks are gone Ion - Works just fine Swarms - Rockets come out of it, but doesn't make much of a difference FG - If the hit detection is fixed, it would work just fine Bolt Pistol - You must be joking, it hurts whatever you aim at... Point is you have to aim properly not hipfire.... Breach weapons : Breach AR, Breach SG and SMG works i believe...
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1304	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:15:00 - [26] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Lol, only the first two are unreliable. The ion pistols.... eh. Swarms work, forge guns work (Seriously your comparing a tank weapon to an infantry carried weapon) bolt pistols work, and personally, I like breach weapons, they work. This is a troll post I hope Ion pistol is a pointless gun Lolswarms are useless except at proto. Even at proto it's not that good Bolt pistols DPS is to low to be effective many breach weapons like the breach SMG and breach AR are pointless Bring your sick against my swarms, and we will see how effective they really are. Bolt pistols are selective weapons, and breach weapons cater to a specific play style. Ion pistols are, again, a selective weapon, to be used as a finisher. Pistols are supposed to be finishers, not primarily weapons. Smgs (the mini and caldari smgs) are meant to be used with specialty weapons, like swarms, snipers, and the like. Just because you can't use the weapons doesn't necessarily mean the they are useless. Ion pistol is useless because of the scrambler pistol Bolt pistol is not a effective finisher. Damage and DPS is to low Breach AR and SMG have no play style. The standard versions are better Unless you have a group of swarm user a tank can out-rep you.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2799	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:16:00 - [27] - Quote I've killed quite a few scouts with the ion pistol. Aiming down sights with the thing is useless though, always hipfire (even the charge shot) The charge shot could use some work though... Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1304	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:17:00 - [28] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Flaylock Pistol Plasma Cannon Ion Pistol (because ROF is messed up) Swarm Launcher Forge Gun (rail tanks are simply better and faster) Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Breach weapon variants You realize some of these weapons aren't bad until you realize you're killing noobs with them. Plasma Works - not always... Takes a lot of patience. Could use some serious tweaking by CCP Flaylock - I'm glad that the days of Glaylocks are gone Ion - Works just fine Swarms - Rockets come out of it, but doesn't make much of a difference FG - If the hit detection is fixed, it would work just fine Bolt Pistol - You must be joking, it hurts whatever you aim at... Point is you have to aim properly not hipfire.... Breach weapons : Breach AR, Breach SG and SMG works i believe... How people can defend these weapons I'll never understand Looks like dust will be a game where only 1/2 the weapons are used How sad
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 930	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:18:00 - [29] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Bolt pistol is beast when used right If God had wanted you to live, he would not have created me! 28
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1305	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:28:00 - [30] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: These are weapons that are unreliable or hard to use. Bolt Pistol (Unreliable against heavies and protos) Bolt pistol is beast when used right When they have less than 200 hp sure



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