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Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 543	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:28:00 - [1] - Quote I've always seen pistols as a weapon type that rewards accuracy over spray and prey. Which is why the scrambler pistol getting a 375% headshot bonus (shield/armour efficiency not included) is perfectly acceptable. However, the bolt and ion pistol have no extra headshot damage over the racial rifles. They all get a 150% headshot bonus. So I propose that the Ion and bolt pistol get a 275%, leaving the scrambler pistol the most suited to accurate shots (as the ScR is over the other rifles), but allowing the other pistols to still follow the 'accuracy over spray' theme that pistols should have. We want cake and tea.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2142	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:49:00 - [2] - Quote Good suggestion. Gal-mando. Because the best sidearm is a shotgun.
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:39:00 - [3] - Quote CCP didi it on the 1 pistole so they should have it on all pistols. Maybe this is a bug. Is there somewhere a official statement that say it should work that way ??? Or did you figure it for your self out ???
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 56	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:14:00 - [4] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: I've always seen pistols as a weapon type that rewards accuracy over spray and prey. Which is why the scrambler pistol getting a 375% headshot bonus (shield/armour efficiency not included) is perfectly acceptable. However, the bolt and ion pistol have no extra headshot damage over the racial rifles. They all get a 150% headshot bonus. So I propose that the Ion and bolt pistol get a 275%, leaving the scrambler pistol the most suited to accurate shots (as the ScR is over the other rifles), but allowing the other pistols to still follow the 'accuracy over spray' theme that pistols should have. I can dig it. Though I just think the Bolt Pistol needs a bit of a ROF buff. (Insert witty phrase here)
Melchiah ARANeAE the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 549	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:28:00 - [5] - Quote Spartykins wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: I've always seen pistols as a weapon type that rewards accuracy over spray and prey. Which is why the scrambler pistol getting a 375% headshot bonus (shield/armour efficiency not included) is perfectly acceptable. However, the bolt and ion pistol have no extra headshot damage over the racial rifles. They all get a 150% headshot bonus. So I propose that the Ion and bolt pistol get a 275%, leaving the scrambler pistol the most suited to accurate shots (as the ScR is over the other rifles), but allowing the other pistols to still follow the 'accuracy over spray' theme that pistols should have. I can dig it. Though I just think the Bolt Pistol needs a bit of a ROF buff. I'm actually fine with the bolt's ROF. It's the magazine that gets me. We want cake and tea.
Melchiah ARANeAE the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 549	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:48:00 - [6] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: CCP didi it on the 1 pistole so they should have it on all pistols. Maybe this is a bug. Is there somewhere a official statement that say it should work that way ??? Or did you figure it for your self out ??? I haven't seen any mention of CCP intending to do this. But it just makes sense. And it wasn't too hard to find out by myself. Just aim at a team mates head and the bonus is there for me to read basically. :P We want cake and tea.
Quest Akashor Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:17:00 - [7] - Quote This makes sense. Can anyone think of a reason why it shouldn't be? /bump
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2682	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:58:00 - [8] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: CCP didi it on the 1 pistole so they should have it on all pistols. Maybe this is a bug. Is there somewhere a official statement that say it should work that way ??? Or did you figure it for your self out ??? Scrambler pistols get the large headshot bonus because that's their 'thing'. It's what makes the weapon special and unique. It's even in the item description, something about 'scrambling the brain'. It's not just an arbitrary thing that should be applied to any pistol. Now if you can come up with some reasonable lore as to why any other weapon should get a similarly special headshot bonus, I might be able to get behind it but simply saying 'cuz it's a pistol' isn't good enough. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Captain Crutches Nexus Marines 71	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:06:00 - [9] - Quote I'd be okay with this, especially for the Bolt Pistol. It actually makes perfect sense when you consider the races' associated primary damage types. Amarr use laser-based weapons (Scrambler Pistol) dealing primarily EM damage, disrupting shields. Gallente use particle weapons (Ion Pistol) that deal thermal damage, burning through both shields and armor. Minmatar use explosive weapons with splash damage (Flaylock Pistol) and small projectiles to whittle away at armor (SMG). Caldari, though, are railgun users, focusing on kinetic damage... pure stopping power. Based on that fact alone, I'd say the Bolt Pistol should have the biggest headshot bonus. You didn't just go through some shields or blow something up nearby - you slammed a super-high-velocity (and I do mean super-high, have you seen a railgun?) solid projectile into their face. If anything deserves a higher headshot bonus, that would be it. Anti-Respec \| Anti-Protostomp \| Anti-"Slayer Logi" \| Pro-Tiericide \| Pro-EVE/Dust Link \| Pro-CCP Fun > Winning > KDR
Quest Akashor Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.04.03 16:20:00 - [10] - Quote I'm going to ignore the lore justification for this and look at the numbers. I just pulled these off the market. Ion Pistol -- DPS: 156.25 Damage: 50 <> Rate of Fire: 375 RPM Accuracy: 46.65 <> Clip Size: 12 * Charge shot with 3.5s lockup, overheats with normal usage Bolt Pistol -- DPS: 168.75 Damage: 135 <> Rate of Fire: 150 RPM Accuracy: 63.06 <> Clip Size: 6 * Charge Up: 0.25s Scrambler Pistol -- DPS: 190 Damage: 80 <> Rate of Fire: 285.71 Clip Size: 8 <> Accuracy: 56.74 * 375% headshot bonus Based off these numbers alone, I'd always run the scrambler pistol. It has no heat, no charge-up, the highest DPS, nearly the highest accuracy, and the massive headshot bonus. Giving the other pistols a headshot bonus would be a solid step towards evening it out. Perhaps not the Scrambler Pistol's 375% bonus, as that's its specialty, but a 300% headshot bonus would be reasonable.

Quest Akashor Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:36:00 - [11] - Quote The thread goes bump in the night! (To the top for visibility. Would be nice to hear CCP's thoughts on this, or even pistol balance in general.)
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 398	Posted - 2014.04.04 04:58:00 - [12] - Quote Scrambler pistols have the extra to headshot damage because they are scrambler weapons. The scrambler rifle has the same bonus (not the assault, though, just the standard). If the scrambler lance turns out to be an anti infantry weapon, then it could potentially have the same bonus. It's just a ScramTech thing -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2469	Posted - 2014.04.04 07:36:00 - [13] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Scrambler pistols have the extra to headshot damage because they are scrambler weapons. The scrambler rifle has the same bonus (not the assault, though, just the standard). If the scrambler lance turns out to be an anti infantry weapon, then it could potentially have the same bonus. It's just a ScramTech thing The ScR does not have a headshot bonus. Only the ScP has a headshot bonus, and no other guns do. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Melchiah ARANeAE the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 549	Posted - 2014.04.04 15:25:00 - [14] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: Scrambler pistols have the extra to headshot damage because they are scrambler weapons. The scrambler rifle has the same bonus (not the assault, though, just the standard). If the scrambler lance turns out to be an anti infantry weapon, then it could potentially have the same bonus. It's just a ScramTech thing The ScR does not have a headshot bonus. Only the ScP has a headshot bonus, and no other guns do. Confirming that the ScR has the same headshot bonus as the other rifles. People probably think it's so high as the extra 20% shield bonus makes it look a lot higher than the rest. Though, the Sniper does have a 195% bonus to headshot damage. We want cake and tea.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 789	Posted - 2014.04.04 16:27:00 - [15] - Quote I'm not so sure the other pistols need a higher headshot modifier. The modifier on the ScP is a great way to differentiate it from the other pistols: The Ion pistol has the charge mechanic, the Bolt is fully auto/high damage/long range, Flaylock shoots explosive AOE rounds and the ScP has the high headshot modifier. We really shouldn't devolve the pistol line into "one sausage, different lengths." >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Melchiah ARANeAE the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 549	Posted - 2014.04.04 16:38:00 - [16] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: I'm not so sure the other pistols need a higher headshot modifier. The modifier on the ScP is a great way to differentiate it from the other pistols: The Ion pistol has the charge mechanic, the Bolt is fully auto/high damage/long range, Flaylock shoots explosive AOE rounds and the ScP has the high headshot modifier. We really shouldn't devolve the pistol line into "one sausage, different lengths." That's why I propose the ion and bolt only get 275% bonus whilst the scambler pistol keeps its 375% bonus to maintain it's headshot speciality. We want cake and tea.
Kilo Shells G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.04.06 19:07:00 - [17] - Quote The charge shot on the ion pistol would do almost a thousand damage lol. True Caldari Assault forget to tell you, I left some remotes on your tank....
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 552	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:20:00 - [18] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: I've always seen pistols as a weapon type that rewards accuracy over spray and prey. Which is why the scrambler pistol getting a 375% headshot bonus (shield/armour efficiency not included) is perfectly acceptable. However, the bolt and ion pistol have no extra headshot damage over the racial rifles. They all get a 150% headshot bonus. So I propose that the Ion and bolt pistol get a 275%, leaving the scrambler pistol the most suited to accurate shots (as the ScR is over the other rifles), but allowing the other pistols to still follow the 'accuracy over spray' theme that pistols should have. -1 Since Scrambler Pistols have been HardNerf, headshots are REALLY a reward. And the only way to use them. I don't see why pistols should be "accuracy over spray" every weapon have his own gameplay. ScP = Headshot. (Engage to de shield) Flaylock = Splash or direct hit to quickly finish a target. Bolt = High DPS Ion = Range pinpoint accuracy.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2150	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:10:00 - [19] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: CCP didi it on the 1 pistole so they should have it on all pistols. Maybe this is a bug. Is there somewhere a official statement that say it should work that way ??? Or did you figure it for your self out ??? Scrambler pistols get the large headshot bonus because that's their 'thing'. It's what makes the weapon special and unique. It's even in the item description, something about 'scrambling the brain'. It's not just an arbitrary thing that should be applied to any pistol. Now if you can come up with some reasonable lore as to why any other weapon should get a similarly special headshot bonus, I might be able to get behind it but simply saying 'cuz it's a pistol' isn't good enough. The bolt could be justified easily by claiming it fires the same sort of piercing flechette that the sniper rifle does. The ion pistol is harder to explain. Gal-mando. Because the best sidearm is a shotgun.
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 1142	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:52:00 - [20] - Quote Great idea. can't think of a reason why not to :) I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo



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