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Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:28:00 -
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I've always seen pistols as a weapon type that rewards accuracy over spray and prey. Which is why the scrambler pistol getting a 375% headshot bonus (shield/armour efficiency not included) is perfectly acceptable.
However, the bolt and ion pistol have no extra headshot damage over the racial rifles. They all get a 150% headshot bonus. So I propose that the Ion and bolt pistol get a 275%, leaving the scrambler pistol the most suited to accurate shots (as the ScR is over the other rifles), but allowing the other pistols to still follow the 'accuracy over spray' theme that pistols should have.
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2142
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:49:00 -
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Good suggestion.
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Odigos Ellinas
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2014.04.02 23:39:00 -
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CCP didi it on the 1 pistole so they should have it on all pistols.
Maybe this is a bug. Is there somewhere a official statement that say it should work that way ??? Or did you figure it for your self out ??? |
Spartykins
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
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Posted - 2014.04.03 00:14:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:I've always seen pistols as a weapon type that rewards accuracy over spray and prey. Which is why the scrambler pistol getting a 375% headshot bonus (shield/armour efficiency not included) is perfectly acceptable.
However, the bolt and ion pistol have no extra headshot damage over the racial rifles. They all get a 150% headshot bonus. So I propose that the Ion and bolt pistol get a 275%, leaving the scrambler pistol the most suited to accurate shots (as the ScR is over the other rifles), but allowing the other pistols to still follow the 'accuracy over spray' theme that pistols should have.
I can dig it. Though I just think the Bolt Pistol needs a bit of a ROF buff.
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Melchiah ARANeAE
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
549
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Posted - 2014.04.03 00:28:00 -
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Spartykins wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:I've always seen pistols as a weapon type that rewards accuracy over spray and prey. Which is why the scrambler pistol getting a 375% headshot bonus (shield/armour efficiency not included) is perfectly acceptable.
However, the bolt and ion pistol have no extra headshot damage over the racial rifles. They all get a 150% headshot bonus. So I propose that the Ion and bolt pistol get a 275%, leaving the scrambler pistol the most suited to accurate shots (as the ScR is over the other rifles), but allowing the other pistols to still follow the 'accuracy over spray' theme that pistols should have. I can dig it. Though I just think the Bolt Pistol needs a bit of a ROF buff.
I'm actually fine with the bolt's ROF. It's the magazine that gets me.
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Melchiah ARANeAE
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
549
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Posted - 2014.04.03 00:48:00 -
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Odigos Ellinas wrote:CCP didi it on the 1 pistole so they should have it on all pistols.
Maybe this is a bug. Is there somewhere a official statement that say it should work that way ??? Or did you figure it for your self out ???
I haven't seen any mention of CCP intending to do this. But it just makes sense.
And it wasn't too hard to find out by myself. Just aim at a team mates head and the bonus is there for me to read basically. :P
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Quest Akashor
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.04.03 04:17:00 -
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This makes sense. Can anyone think of a reason why it shouldn't be?
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2682
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Posted - 2014.04.03 07:58:00 -
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Odigos Ellinas wrote:CCP didi it on the 1 pistole so they should have it on all pistols.
Maybe this is a bug. Is there somewhere a official statement that say it should work that way ??? Or did you figure it for your self out ???
Scrambler pistols get the large headshot bonus because that's their 'thing'. It's what makes the weapon special and unique. It's even in the item description, something about 'scrambling the brain'. It's not just an arbitrary thing that should be applied to any pistol.
Now if you can come up with some reasonable lore as to why any other weapon should get a similarly special headshot bonus, I might be able to get behind it but simply saying 'cuz it's a pistol' isn't good enough.
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Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
71
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Posted - 2014.04.03 08:06:00 -
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I'd be okay with this, especially for the Bolt Pistol. It actually makes perfect sense when you consider the races' associated primary damage types.
Amarr use laser-based weapons (Scrambler Pistol) dealing primarily EM damage, disrupting shields.
Gallente use particle weapons (Ion Pistol) that deal thermal damage, burning through both shields and armor.
Minmatar use explosive weapons with splash damage (Flaylock Pistol) and small projectiles to whittle away at armor (SMG).
Caldari, though, are railgun users, focusing on kinetic damage... pure stopping power. Based on that fact alone, I'd say the Bolt Pistol should have the biggest headshot bonus. You didn't just go through some shields or blow something up nearby - you slammed a super-high-velocity (and I do mean super-high, have you seen a railgun?) solid projectile into their face. If anything deserves a higher headshot bonus, that would be it.
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Quest Akashor
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:20:00 -
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I'm going to ignore the lore justification for this and look at the numbers. I just pulled these off the market.
Ion Pistol -- DPS: 156.25
Damage: 50 <> Rate of Fire: 375 RPM
Accuracy: 46.65 <> Clip Size: 12
* Charge shot with 3.5s lockup, overheats with normal usage
Bolt Pistol -- DPS: 168.75
Damage: 135 <> Rate of Fire: 150 RPM
Accuracy: 63.06 <> Clip Size: 6
* Charge Up: 0.25s
Scrambler Pistol -- DPS: 190
Damage: 80 <> Rate of Fire: 285.71
Clip Size: 8 <> Accuracy: 56.74
* 375% headshot bonus
Based off these numbers alone, I'd always run the scrambler pistol. It has no heat, no charge-up, the highest DPS, nearly the highest accuracy, and the massive headshot bonus.
Giving the other pistols a headshot bonus would be a solid step towards evening it out. Perhaps not the Scrambler Pistol's 375% bonus, as that's its specialty, but a 300% headshot bonus would be reasonable. |
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Quest Akashor
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.04.04 02:36:00 -
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The thread goes bump in the night!
(To the top for visibility. Would be nice to hear CCP's thoughts on this, or even pistol balance in general.) |
Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
398
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Posted - 2014.04.04 04:58:00 -
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Scrambler pistols have the extra to headshot damage because they are scrambler weapons. The scrambler rifle has the same bonus (not the assault, though, just the standard). If the scrambler lance turns out to be an anti infantry weapon, then it could potentially have the same bonus. It's just a ScramTech thing
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2469
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Posted - 2014.04.04 07:36:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:Scrambler pistols have the extra to headshot damage because they are scrambler weapons. The scrambler rifle has the same bonus (not the assault, though, just the standard). If the scrambler lance turns out to be an anti infantry weapon, then it could potentially have the same bonus. It's just a ScramTech thing
The ScR does not have a headshot bonus. Only the ScP has a headshot bonus, and no other guns do.
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Melchiah ARANeAE
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
549
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:25:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote:Scrambler pistols have the extra to headshot damage because they are scrambler weapons. The scrambler rifle has the same bonus (not the assault, though, just the standard). If the scrambler lance turns out to be an anti infantry weapon, then it could potentially have the same bonus. It's just a ScramTech thing The ScR does not have a headshot bonus. Only the ScP has a headshot bonus, and no other guns do.
Confirming that the ScR has the same headshot bonus as the other rifles. People probably think it's so high as the extra 20% shield bonus makes it look a lot higher than the rest.
Though, the Sniper does have a 195% bonus to headshot damage.
We want cake and tea.
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
789
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:27:00 -
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I'm not so sure the other pistols need a higher headshot modifier. The modifier on the ScP is a great way to differentiate it from the other pistols: The Ion pistol has the charge mechanic, the Bolt is fully auto/high damage/long range, Flaylock shoots explosive AOE rounds and the ScP has the high headshot modifier. We really shouldn't devolve the pistol line into "one sausage, different lengths."
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Melchiah ARANeAE
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
549
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:38:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:I'm not so sure the other pistols need a higher headshot modifier. The modifier on the ScP is a great way to differentiate it from the other pistols: The Ion pistol has the charge mechanic, the Bolt is fully auto/high damage/long range, Flaylock shoots explosive AOE rounds and the ScP has the high headshot modifier. We really shouldn't devolve the pistol line into "one sausage, different lengths."
That's why I propose the ion and bolt only get 275% bonus whilst the scambler pistol keeps its 375% bonus to maintain it's headshot speciality.
We want cake and tea.
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Kilo Shells
G.L.O.R.Y
RISE of LEGION
43
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Posted - 2014.04.06 19:07:00 -
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The charge shot on the ion pistol would do almost a thousand damage lol.
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
Red Whines.
552
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Posted - 2014.04.06 20:20:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:I've always seen pistols as a weapon type that rewards accuracy over spray and prey. Which is why the scrambler pistol getting a 375% headshot bonus (shield/armour efficiency not included) is perfectly acceptable.
However, the bolt and ion pistol have no extra headshot damage over the racial rifles. They all get a 150% headshot bonus. So I propose that the Ion and bolt pistol get a 275%, leaving the scrambler pistol the most suited to accurate shots (as the ScR is over the other rifles), but allowing the other pistols to still follow the 'accuracy over spray' theme that pistols should have.
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Since Scrambler Pistols have been HardNerf, headshots are REALLY a reward. And the only way to use them.
I don't see why pistols should be "accuracy over spray" every weapon have his own gameplay.
ScP = Headshot. (Engage to de shield)
Flaylock = Splash or direct hit to quickly finish a target.
Bolt = High DPS
Ion = Range pinpoint accuracy.
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2150
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Posted - 2014.04.06 23:10:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Odigos Ellinas wrote:CCP didi it on the 1 pistole so they should have it on all pistols.
Maybe this is a bug. Is there somewhere a official statement that say it should work that way ??? Or did you figure it for your self out ??? Scrambler pistols get the large headshot bonus because that's their 'thing'. It's what makes the weapon special and unique. It's even in the item description, something about 'scrambling the brain'. It's not just an arbitrary thing that should be applied to any pistol. Now if you can come up with some reasonable lore as to why any other weapon should get a similarly special headshot bonus, I might be able to get behind it but simply saying 'cuz it's a pistol' isn't good enough.
The bolt could be justified easily by claiming it fires the same sort of piercing flechette that the sniper rifle does.
The ion pistol is harder to explain.
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noob cavman
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
1142
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Posted - 2014.04.06 23:52:00 -
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Great idea.
can't think of a reason why not to :)
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