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Roofer Madness The Phoenix Federation 841	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:07:00 - [1] - Quote So...... meh.... I don't even know where to begin with this. I have filed support tickets. I have started thread in the Bugs/Feedback section. Am I the only one out there that gives a damn if the Plasma Cannon actually works properly???? I'm not saying buff it I'm saying fix the malfunctions and glitches. Is that REALLY too much to ask for? To expect the worst gun in the game to at least fire every time and reload properly? Let's say that there was an issue with the Combat Rifle firing blanks and not reloading. How long do you think it would take for CCP to fix that? Because by my count it's almost been a year and if anything the Plasma Cannon has actually gotten worse. And according to the support ticket no fixes are even on the roadmap. Yes, you read that correctly. Absolutely no fixes are currently planned for this weapon. This is not about the weapon being ******. It's about it not working as intended. There is a big difference. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5446	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:15:00 - [2] - Quote Its a Gallente weapon and its utter **. I believe CCP considers this to be working as intended. If only the plasma cannon was Caldari....then maybe they'd care. 1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole** -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 542	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:27:00 - [3] - Quote It does need a quite a bit of love. But I am quite enjoying it on my Gal commando. Sgt Kirk wrote: Its a Gallente weapon and its utter ****. I believe CCP considers this to be working as intended. If only the plasma cannon was Caldari....then maybe they'd care. All I have to say is swarm launcher. We want cake and tea.
Roofer Madness The Phoenix Federation 843	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:55:00 - [4] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: It does need a quite a bit of love. But I am quite enjoying it on my Gal commando. Sgt Kirk wrote: Its a Gallente weapon and its utter **. I believe CCP considers this to be working as intended. If only the plasma cannon was Caldari....then maybe they'd care. All I have to say is swarm launcher. If there was a gradient spectrum of AV and in the middle is terrible and then expanding both left and right, on the left you would have swarms good/no skill and on the far right you would have forge gun good/skill.... The plasma cannon would fall in the middle unfortunately right now when it should be on the right. ** none of that makes any sense. Here I made this little picture to better explain: Gradient spectrum of AV weaponry I think we all know where nades would fall on that spectrum... I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2044	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:01:00 - [5] - Quote Ccp should just remove this weapon, refund the SP and re-release it as a good weapon. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Roofer Madness The Phoenix Federation 843	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:04:00 - [6] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Ccp should just remove this weapon, refund the SP and re-release it as a good weapon. At this point that would make me about 5 million SP richer so I say bring it on. Sounds like a CCP plan anyways. Take **** out of the game to give us more content. lol I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 360	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:20:00 - [7] - Quote The swarm problem has been fixed, people, stop using it has a QQ The plasma cannon needs a buff, not to damage, but to projectile speed and reload. I've had my tank been nearly destroyed by a plasma cannon, but that was because I sat in a spot for to long. Projectile speed and reload would greatly increase its usefulness. If, after that buff, it is still underperforming, then it should get a damage buff. -The Dual Swarm Commando -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Roofer Madness The Phoenix Federation 846	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:23:00 - [8] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: The swarm problem has been fixed, people, stop using it has a QQ The plasma cannon needs a buff, not to damage, but to projectile speed and reload. I've had my tank been nearly destroyed by a plasma cannon, but that was because I sat in a spot for to long. Projectile speed and reload would greatly increase its usefulness. If, after that buff, it is still underperforming, then it should get a damage buff. -The Dual Swarm Commando Yet another merc trying to de-rail the whole point of my crusade. The Plasma Cannon does not need a buff. Well, maybe. But how can we tell if right now it malfunctions a good majority of the time? It would be OP as hell with faster reload and projectile speed. And I think CCP gets confused when in the midst of glitch discussion people always want to start having buff talks. This is not a buff thread. If you buff it they will only nerf it..... I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8005	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:25:00 - [9] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: The swarm problem has been fixed, people, stop using it has a QQ The plasma cannon needs a buff, not to damage, but to projectile speed and reload. I've had my tank been nearly destroyed by a plasma cannon, but that was because I sat in a spot for to long. Projectile speed and reload would greatly increase its usefulness. If, after that buff, it is still underperforming, then it should get a damage buff. -The Dual Swarm Commando No, plasma cannon needs a damage buff. It's slow ass to fire, and it does less damage than a swarm launcher, with like, 1/10th of the effective range. It's DPS is garbage, it's alpha is garbage, it's range is garbage. It ******* needs to do breach FG levels of damage, considering all the other factors. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 422	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:27:00 - [10] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: So...... meh.... I don't even know where to begin with this. I have filed support tickets. I have started thread in the Bugs/Feedback section. Am I the only one out there that gives a damn if the Plasma Cannon actually works properly???? I'm not saying buff it I'm saying fix the malfunctions and glitches. Is that REALLY too much to ask for? To expect the worst gun in the game to at least fire every time and reload properly? Let's say that there was an issue with the Combat Rifle firing blanks and not reloading. How long do you think it would take for CCP to fix that? Because by my count it's almost been a year and if anything the Plasma Cannon has actually gotten worse. And according to the support ticket no fixes are even on the roadmap. Yes, you read that correctly. Absolutely no fixes are currently planned for this weapon. This is not about the weapon being ******. It's about it not working as intended. There is a big difference. Since the arrival of the Minmatar Commando Suit I have been playing around the Plasma Cannon in the other weapon slot. I find that it works great against all targets up to LAV's. But against HAV's it's crap. For all the skill needed ot hit a moving target with that thing and only having one shot to do it with you would think that it would have more of an effect versus vehicles! On the other hand, having maxed out bonuses on a Commando Suit and using a Plasma Cannon is HELLA FAST reload speed! ;)
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:27:00 - [11] - Quote It needs something but I don't know if I want ccp touching it.
Roofer Madness The Phoenix Federation 846	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:28:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: The swarm problem has been fixed, people, stop using it has a QQ The plasma cannon needs a buff, not to damage, but to projectile speed and reload. I've had my tank been nearly destroyed by a plasma cannon, but that was because I sat in a spot for to long. Projectile speed and reload would greatly increase its usefulness. If, after that buff, it is still underperforming, then it should get a damage buff. -The Dual Swarm Commando No, plasma cannon needs a damage buff. It's slow ass to fire, and it does less damage than a swarm launcher, with like, 1/10th of the effective range. It's DPS is garbage, it's alpha is garbage, it's range is garbage. It ******* needs to do breach FG levels of damage, considering all the other factors. How much would you say a Breach Forge does exactly? We need some maths up in here. Allotek Plasma Cannon with prof. 5 (+15% to shields) 2 complex damage mod (+8ish% to both) Direct Hit: 1155 I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 365	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:39:00 - [13] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: The swarm problem has been fixed, people, stop using it has a QQ The plasma cannon needs a buff, not to damage, but to projectile speed and reload. I've had my tank been nearly destroyed by a plasma cannon, but that was because I sat in a spot for to long. Projectile speed and reload would greatly increase its usefulness. If, after that buff, it is still underperforming, then it should get a damage buff. -The Dual Swarm Commando No, plasma cannon needs a damage buff. It's slow ass to fire, and it does less damage than a swarm launcher, with like, 1/10th of the effective range. It's DPS is garbage, it's alpha is garbage, it's range is garbage. It ******* needs to do breach FG levels of damage, considering all the other factors. How much would you say a Breach Forge does exactly? We need some maths up in here. Allotek Plasma Cannon with prof. 5 (+15% to shields) 2 complex damage mod (+8ish% to both) Direct Hit: 1155 It needs to land about 2000 with max skills and damage mods to be worth the trouble. Either that or change some of the other properties, like projectile speed. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 134	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:27:00 - [14] - Quote I love the plasma cannon, it's a finesse weapon that makes every kill feel special. It's the drunken love child of the forge gun and the mass driver. I do agree it does need some work. Projectiles don't always register their hits and the skill bug hurts them HORRIBLY. The two seconds you have to wait exposed while wondering if your spot is going to register, let alone fire where the animation indicated it should is pretty much a death sentence for a squishy medium frame.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2648	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:41:00 - [15] - Quote lol plasma cannon. That thing is just a rickroll of a weapon. It works just slightly better then a flaylock but thats it. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Jaster J F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 19	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:57:00 - [16] - Quote The only thing i know for sure is that it feels quite satisfying to kill protos with
rithu Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:25:00 - [17] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153259&find=unread There is a plasma canon challenge You cant see me caldari scouts ;)
Contaminator Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 30	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:53:00 - [18] - Quote whats with the hate? "AH MAN PLASMA IS SO CRAP!" Honestly I love the thing, I have been using it since it came out, and have invested heavily in it. I frequently drive off tanks if not kill them outright. alright alright It isn't the most powerful uber derp gun ever... really at all... In all honesty a 10-15% buff to PROTOplc damage and increase the plasma velocity by 50% and I would never touch another AV ever again. I have it on my Cal Mando suit and I am in love. (EDIT) forgot to give my thoughts on the bugs. Honestly I use it 50% of my game time and I rarely have the fire/reload glitches. "If you encounter a tactic you have trouble in handling, change YOUR tactics. Don't blame the game or the balancing."
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Intrepidus XI EoN. 19	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:04:00 - [19] - Quote Killing tanks lol, any remotely intelligent shield tanker will run from a plasma cannon, and one armor repper will negate the dps of the plasma cannon vs armor tanks. I remember reading a post on CCP's plans for plasma variants but no information on their release date.
noob cavman Dirt Nap Squad. 1082	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:06:00 - [20] - Quote Roofer is talking about some bugs. reloads not reloading. ghost rounds. direct hits not registering. Splash damage sometimes not dealing correct amount. Rounds passing through mercs somehow. Remember roofer simple sentences work best also give me mah isk! I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ FFX and X2 in hd GÖí
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 117	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:36:00 - [21] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: It needs something but I don't know if I want ccp touching it. ^This. PLC is not "bad", it just requires actual use training besides buying a "skillbook/training" . I have had "bug" shots (somehow I fired and the round flew between a heavies knees once) but for me its very rare and I use my PLC on a daily basis. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Roofer Madness The Phoenix Federation 854	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:23:00 - [22] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Tek Hound wrote: It needs something but I don't know if I want ccp touching it. ^This. PLC is not "bad", it just requires actual use training besides buying a "skillbook/training" . I have had "bug" shots (somehow I fired and the round flew between a heavies knees once) but for me its very rare and I use my PLC on a daily basis. So you've had bug shots but they're rare so it's acceptable? Is that your point? lol I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 117	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:37:00 - [23] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Tek Hound wrote: It needs something but I don't know if I want ccp touching it. ^This. PLC is not "bad", it just requires actual use training besides buying a "skillbook/training" . I have had "bug" shots (somehow I fired and the round flew between a heavies knees once) but for me its very rare and I use my PLC on a daily basis. So you've had bug shots but they're rare so it's acceptable? Is that your point? lol Point is they're so rare for me that I worry about CCP trying to bugfix and in doing so making the PLC the worthless heap those who aren't good with it claim it to be. Its really not as tho CCP has some outstanding record on doing fixes that don't in turn create other issues with whatever it is they fixed. That's all. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3580	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:41:00 - [24] - Quote assault and breah plasma cannons in SDE Stats Assault Projectile Attributes (mProjProp) AttributeValue accelRate0.0 damageRadius420.0 damageTypeplasmacannon_direct_standard_dt directHitDamage367.5 explodeByTouchyes explosionMomentum400.0 explosionTypeexp_m_std initSpeed4050.0 maxRange20000.0 maxSpeed4050.0 projectileLifeSpan6.0 splashDamage285.0 splashDamageTypeplasmacannon_splash_standard_dt Breach Projectile Attributes (mProjProp) AttributeValue accelRate75.0 damageRadius140.0 damageTypeplasmacannon_direct_standard_dt directHitDamage1344.0 explodeByTouchyes explosionMomentum400.0 explosionTypeexp_m_std initSpeed3250.0 maxRange20000.0 maxSpeed3250.0 projectileLifeSpan9.0 splashDamage285.0 splashDamageTypeplasmacannon_splash_standard_dt "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Intrepidus XI EoN. 19	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:52:00 - [25] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: assault and breah plasma cannons in SDE Stats Assault Projectile Attributes (mProjProp) AttributeValue accelRate0.0 damageRadius420.0 damageTypeplasmacannon_direct_standard_dt directHitDamage367.5 explodeByTouchyes explosionMomentum400.0 explosionTypeexp_m_std initSpeed4050.0 maxRange20000.0 maxSpeed4050.0 projectileLifeSpan6.0 splashDamage285.0 splashDamageTypeplasmacannon_splash_standard_dt Breach Projectile Attributes (mProjProp) AttributeValue accelRate75.0 damageRadius140.0 damageTypeplasmacannon_direct_standard_dt directHitDamage1344.0 explodeByTouchyes explosionMomentum400.0 explosionTypeexp_m_std initSpeed3250.0 maxRange20000.0 maxSpeed3250.0 projectileLifeSpan9.0 splashDamage285.0 splashDamageTypeplasmacannon_splash_standard_dt But no news on their possible release date, correct?
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 262	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:03:00 - [26] - Quote NUFF IT! NUFF THE FRAYLOCK TOO! The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one! 1.8 is fun. Cant wait for the new build!
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.04.10 03:23:00 - [27] - Quote There is somewhere a statement from a DEV that the plasma canon is supposed to be a AV weapon. The main problem is they didn't give it a lock target similar to the swarm launcher. Now they don't know how to make it strong against vehicles and not OP against infantry. My idea is to give it a lock on target (only vehicles), higher projectile speed and maybe higher damage. The higher damage because it has no seeker function like the swarms. Can some one tell my if infantry takes damage from swarm launchers if it is hit by it. (standing between the LAV and the missile). If yes same for the plasma canon. What do you think??
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Intrepidus XI EoN. 23	Posted - 2014.04.10 04:05:00 - [28] - Quote I think it should get a slight damage increase along with an increase in bullet speed, and a reduction to bullet drop. Considering the skill required to actually hit anything moving i feel the damage output should be higher. The slash should stay the same as anything higher and people will start bitching about it's damage. That's what i think it needs anyway. Dez gunz ah blazin~
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2221	Posted - 2014.04.10 04:07:00 - [29] - Quote I know your pain. I gave up on trying to get CCP to fix it via threads and posts. Also, it's not your imagination that it got worse. It actually did. There's a delayed fire glitch, now and phantom shots seem to be more numerous than before.
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Intrepidus XI EoN. 23	Posted - 2014.04.10 04:11:00 - [30] - Quote Its not a phantom shot its just the skill delay glitch. It still charges as if you had operation at 5, but actually fires on the default charge. Happens all the time and it pisses me off when a scout gets away cause of the damn delayed shot. Dez gunz ah blazin~

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