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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:16:00 -
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IS THE BIGGEST MYTH OF 1.8.
It's the skill bug that causes you to spawn with less HP.
Use a basic or breach forge and wait for 3.5s/6s respectively.
And stop complaining!!!!!
Use the time to get some practice in with Wyka or Kaal. I know I am.
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
366
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:23:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:IS THE BIGGEST MYTH OF 1.8.
It's the skill bug that causes you to spawn with less HP.
Use a basic or breach forge and wait for 3.5s/6s respectively.
And stop complaining!!!!!
Use the time to get some practice in with Wyka or Kaal. I know I am.
Been using the Torchfires I got during the event in the meantime . However I will continue to complain because this crap needs to be fixed. I already accepted a charge time increase in 1.7 .....I don't need another one .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2079
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:28:00 -
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1. Its not a glitch. I've fired 4 dud shots from my breach many, many, many times in 1.8.
2. Sorry, but a tank kind of has a top speed of 90km/hr, so I'm not going to wait the 10 years it takes to charge each shot of a Breach or Normal Variant.
3. It's tied to the bonuses not applying for the reduced charge time your FG is supposed to have as you level it up. However, all the little tricks I've learned, tried, and heard about only work sometimes. Meanwhile, tanks get to roam free.
4. I'd just bring out my Particle Cannon, but the Railgun is glitched too (unrelated to the skills) and my tanks have a nasty habit of randomly blowing up and saying I somehow commit suicide, or falling through the map mid-tank fight.... and My Particle Cannon HAV is NOT something that's cheap...
5. You're clearly doing what most people do on these forums. Using anecdotal evidence to state something as fact. So yup, you had a few occasions where you didn't get the FG glitch, so yup its all fixed now and not true... thanks for fixing that for all of us. You should work for CCP, because clearly you are a genius of some sorts, and perhaps also a wizard.
I ain't got time for dat sh!t
At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
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echo47
Minmatar Republic
262
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:34:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:IS THE BIGGEST MYTH OF 1.8.
It's the skill bug that causes you to spawn with less HP.
Use a basic or breach forge and wait for 3.5s/6s respectively.
And stop complaining!!!!!
Use the time to get some practice in with Wyka or Kaal. I know I am.
So the skill bug causes the forge to shoot blanks, man that makes total sense.
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1687
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:37:00 -
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i shoot, i hit
i shoot, i hit
i shoot.... nothing happens
i shoot.... nothing happens
i shoot... i hit...
i shoot... nothing....
There is no rhyme nor reason. It is a bug to forgeguns pure and simple
The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
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Orin the Freak
The Solecism of Limitation
770
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Posted - 2014.04.02 11:14:00 -
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I must say, I have no skills in Forges, and I've yet to "shoot a blank". this said, I really hope they get around to fixing this ridiculous skill registering bug soon...
or.. you know... whenever it's convenient for them. Seems like a good time for another 2 week vacation CCP. |
Sam Booty
Valor Coalition
Red Whines.
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Posted - 2014.04.02 12:08:00 -
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I think there is a bug in the forge gun. Sometimes I shoot a turret and the target is red but the shot goes right through it and no damage is registered. |
Nikka witagun
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.04.02 12:35:00 -
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Ok, I want to let all the forgers in on +á little secret. This bug will work to your advantage with the IAFG. Pull out the assault variant, if you have specced into forges then go ahead and forget about your reduction to the charge time, the gun will charge And firethe ghost round at 2.25s, keep holding the trigger for the remaining .75s from the skill reduction, the gun will be quarter to half way through the next charge, then release and wala it will fire every time. A reload or two and the bug is fixed.
How can this benefit you? Between the dummy round and when you actually release the round, you will hold the charge. Basically the IAFG turns into the kaalikiota for the 1.5s window between shots. Very effective for moving tanks and ads.
I'm not sure I want CCP to fix it, the IAFG is all I use and it gives you much more accuracy with the increased damage and reduced charge time.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.04.02 12:38:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:I must say, I have no skills in Forges, and I've yet to "shoot a blank". this said, I really hope they get around to fixing this ridiculous skill registering bug soon...
or.. you know... whenever it's convenient for them. Seems like a good time for another 2 week vacation CCP.
This is the reason.
Put SP into forges, especially if you end up using an Assault Forge, you'll get the 'bug'.
Because it isn't a bug.
It's just inconsistent application of skills, because let's be honest; 1.8 is the worst patch deployment (not that the content is bad; I quite like it) since Chromosome (and possibly before that, but I wasn't around then).
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.02 13:06:00 -
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[quote=ChromeBreaker]i shoot, i hit
i shoot, i hit
i shoot.... nothing happens
i shoot.... nothing happens
i shoot... i hit...
i shoot... nothing....
There is no rhyme nor reason. It is a bug to forgeguns pure and simple[/quote
Same thing here I'm always forging and I know there is something wrong here. |
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.04.02 13:07:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Orin the Freak wrote:I must say, I have no skills in Forges, and I've yet to "shoot a blank". this said, I really hope they get around to fixing this ridiculous skill registering bug soon...
or.. you know... whenever it's convenient for them. Seems like a good time for another 2 week vacation CCP. This is the reason. Put SP into forges, especially if you end up using an Assault Forge, you'll get the 'bug'. Because it isn't a bug. It's just inconsistent application of skills, because let's be honest; 1.8 is the worst patch deployment (not that the content is bad; I quite like it) since Chromosome (and possibly before that, but I wasn't around then).
It's a glitch let me ask you a question do you even use a forge or do you just like to argue. |
IR Scifi
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.02 13:29:00 -
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Sounds like the same thing that happens with my plasma cannon. Full charge, fire animation, nothing, nothing, nothing, NOW round fires. Very frustrating when up against a vehicle that can kill you by just glancing in your direction. |
jamstar saa187
the third day
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.02 13:45:00 -
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as bad as this is, it isnt even a new bug. i have made to topics on this in the technical/feedback area of the forum, yet still, here it is.
from what i see it happens more in high lag areas of the map, but it is not restricted to there. |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
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Posted - 2014.04.02 13:48:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Orin the Freak wrote:I must say, I have no skills in Forges, and I've yet to "shoot a blank". this said, I really hope they get around to fixing this ridiculous skill registering bug soon...
or.. you know... whenever it's convenient for them. Seems like a good time for another 2 week vacation CCP. This is the reason. Put SP into forges, especially if you end up using an Assault Forge, you'll get the 'bug'. Because it isn't a bug. It's just inconsistent application of skills, because let's be honest; 1.8 is the worst patch deployment (not that the content is bad; I quite like it) since Chromosome (and possibly before that, but I wasn't around then).
Merriam-webster's 2nd definition of a bug; an unexpected defect, fault, flaw, or imperfection.
Wiki's definition of a software bug: A software bug is an error, flaw, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that causes it to produce an incorrect or unexpected result, or to behave in unintended ways
The Forge Gun bug is a bug regardless of whether it has to do with the FG itself or the skill.
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.02 13:50:00 -
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I too feel like it is firing blanks ,
However it may just be firing the bullets at the delayed time meaning the firing animation is not synced with the actual slug being fired causing a miss do to the delay?
I was hammering away at a tank and a buddy was on the hill closers to the tank and I was complaining about the shots not working and he was laughing say no you just missed the impact was close to him . it took me awhile to figure out that the slug does fire just not at the time you expect it too causing your aim to be seriously flawed. |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:08:00 -
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There are times where it doesn't actually fire, HowDidThatTaste. Just yesterday I spawned on a roof uplink that had an enemy ADS flying around it. The ADS wasn't more than 60m away and was trying to hover but was moving slightly to my left; I fired 5 shots (without reloading) at the leading edge and each shot was a blank. At that range and with how slowly he was moving even with the split second delay that does happen sometimes, I should have killed that DS but he didn't take any damage.
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Sarus Rambo
Direct Action Resources
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:11:00 -
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Its the worst with the Breach since it has the longer charge time. You waste a giant amount of time just to have the gun not fire and the window of opportunity on the moving target disappears. Depending on if the next shot even works, that is 12 seconds + it takes to fire it. Its stupid.
This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
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Nikka witagun
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:46:00 -
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Just so we're clear, the Forge gun (any variant) is still firing all the shots. The gun works normally*. I have the forge tree maxed and run it 95% of the time no matter the game mode (When I'm not in the MURDERTAXI MWAHAAHAHA).
PROBLEM:
The only problem is the 25% reduction to charge time is NOT applying consistently.
It tends to be worst at the beginning of matches, and when first spawned.
EDIT: Problem # 2 -The reload bonus is not applying correctly, consistently.
SOLUTION:
for a lvl 5 Forger, the gun will charge and try to fire the round at the reduced skill time (2.25s for IAFH, 3 for Kaal, 4.5 for breach) However in order to expel the round & fire the round accurately, you must hold the trigger down for the FULL CHARGE TIME (3s for IAFG, 4 for Kaal, 6 for breach). The shot will be ready to be fired AFTER the base charge time on the gun. If you wait for the second charge to finish the gun will discharge 1 round not 2. You MUST release the trigger after the base charge time and before the next charge. Basically you have a 1.5s window of opportunity to aim and fire the IAFG.
IAFG window of opportunity with Bug
Base charge = 3s
skilled charge = 2.25s
after 2.25s gun will ghost fire round and begin recharging for next round. The gun is not able to expel the round before the 3s mark. However the gun WILL discharge the next round at the 4.5s mark (2.25+2.25/1st shot & 2nd shot). This means that while holding the trigger down, you will have from the 3.0s-4.5s mark to expel your 1st round. The Assault forge will hold the round just like the kaalikiota during this window allowing you to be much more accurate with your shot.
Well its broken, why is this relevant?
Yes it certainly is broken, however with the IAFG, you gain the accuracy of the kaal but maintain the damage of the assault all still with lower charge time than Kaal.
While it is not "working as intended", this will fix the bug 100% of the time. If you spawn and a tank is closing, this technique will spare you some clones.
If you spawn in a safe zone, expel a round then reload. You may have to do this once or twice before the gun works normally, but again, it works 100% of the time.
(With the reload, I am specced lvl 5 reload, I know the gun is ready when I stop reloading at the reduced time, and it reverts to the unskilled reload time. When this happens THE GUN WILL PERFORM NORMALLY.
I'm not saying CCP shouldn't fix it (although its actually VERY useful on the IAFG) to all forgers out there worth their metal, you will figure this out and be back to forging in no time. For the rest of you scrubs ruining the forge by running militia and QQing its broke, stop posting in GD and but that **** in technical support/bugs section. |
Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
142
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:48:00 -
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jamstar saa187 wrote:as bad as this is, it isnt even a new bug. i have made to topics on this in the technical/feedback area of the forum, yet still, here it is.
from what i see it happens more in high lag areas of the map, but it is not restricted to there.
I've been forging since before 1.4 and this random firing glitch has never happened until 1.8. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:53:00 -
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So it's not a bug if you ignore it?
Please, continue to enlighten me with your wisdom.
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Nikka witagun
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:53:00 -
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Jake Diesel wrote:
I've been forging since before 1.4 and this random firing glitch has never happened until 1.8.
Read 2 posts up, it is not random at all. |
Disturbingly Bored
Forum Warfare
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:55:00 -
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Nikka witagun wrote:How can this benefit you? Between the dummy round and when you actually release the round, you will hold the charge. Basically the IAFG turns into the kaalikiota for the 1.5s window between shots. Very effective for moving tanks and ads.
I'm not sure I want CCP to fix it, the IAFG is all I use and it gives you much more accuracy with the increased damage and reduced charge time.
I must try this. I'd give you +10 if I could. Time to whip out the IAFG again, baby!
To the rest of you:
Yes, because of borked skill application, the Forge is wonkier than it has ever been. But if you know what's causing the issues, like Nikka here, you can keep killing with the thing as well as you did in 1.7.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
870
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Posted - 2014.04.02 15:01:00 -
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Jake Diesel wrote:jamstar saa187 wrote:as bad as this is, it isnt even a new bug. i have made to topics on this in the technical/feedback area of the forum, yet still, here it is.
from what i see it happens more in high lag areas of the map, but it is not restricted to there. I've been forging since before 1.4 and this random firing glitch has never happened until 1.8.
Yes it has, it's been happening since at least 1.6. Towards the end of 1.6 is when I got into heavies and it happened the very first match. It wasn't nearly as severe for me before 1.8 as it only happened once or twice every so many matches; but then in 1.7 it started happening slightly more in matches with less matches in between it happening and now. it happens multiple times in every match that I use it.
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Nikka witagun
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.04.02 15:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:So it's not a bug if you ignore it?
Please, continue to enlighten me with your wisdom.
It is a bug that had numerous reports filed on day 1. Within hours of patch being released. If you keep up with the bug fixes, it has NO timetable to be fixed and is probably very low on the priority list.
You can continue to be useless and complain, or you can take some friendly advice on how to still be effective AV.
I have filed 3 bug reports and posted in the tech support section.
You are welcome for the wisdom, scrub. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.02 15:54:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:IS THE BIGGEST MYTH OF 1.8.
It's the skill bug that causes you to spawn with less HP.
Use a basic or breach forge and wait for 3.5s/6s respectively.
And stop complaining!!!!!
Use the time to get some practice in with Wyka or Kaal. I know I am. Been using the Torchfires I got during the event in the meantime . However I will continue to complain because this crap needs to be fixed. I already accepted a charge time increase in 1.7 .....I don't need another one .
Fire 3 shots with an Assault FG and it still shows that you have a full clip... It's not Bugged at all? Genius!... Dumb a***** in these forums... |
Sarus Rambo
Direct Action Resources
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:01:00 -
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Why would we want to fix bugs, just HTFU. It doesn't effect your use of the FG (except for completely making the skill bonus useless). You are all babies because you want something broken fixed. How dare you. Herp da derp da teedly tum te terp.
This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
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SKULL ERASER
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:50:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:iThere is no rhyme nor reason. It is a bug to forgeguns pure and simple
I think it's a lag issue because I've had this problem with large rails as well as forge guns, sometimes firing a dozen or more duds in a row without causing damage, heat buildup, or ammo expenditure. Squadmates have occasionally reported similar problems with various light arms, and I've also noticed intermittent non-response when attempting to swap or reload weapons. Kinda irritating as this has cost me several tanks and fatboy costumes. |
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OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.04.02 16:53:00 -
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Nikka witagun wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So it's not a bug if you ignore it?
Please, continue to enlighten me with your wisdom. It is a bug that had numerous reports filed on day 1. Within hours of patch being released. If you keep up with the bug fixes, it has NO timetable to be fixed and is probably very low on the priority list. You can continue to be useless and complain, or you can take some friendly advice on how to still be effective AV. I have filed 3 bug reports and posted in the tech support section. You are welcome for the wisdom
I don't really play this game anymore so your wisdom is wasted, simply pointing out that saying a bug isn't an issue because there is a partial work around is nothing short of stupid.
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0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Nikka witagun wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So it's not a bug if you ignore it?
Please, continue to enlighten me with your wisdom. It is a bug that had numerous reports filed on day 1. Within hours of patch being released. If you keep up with the bug fixes, it has NO timetable to be fixed and is probably very low on the priority list. You can continue to be useless and complain, or you can take some friendly advice on how to still be effective AV. I have filed 3 bug reports and posted in the tech support section. You are welcome for the wisdom I don't really play this game anymore so your wisdom is wasted, simply pointing out that saying a bug isn't an issue because there is a partial work around is nothing short of stupid.
Well I hope during your hiatus you are learning how to read. I didn't say it wasn't an issue, in fact I clearly stated it was an issue. I am simply offering advice on how to work around the bug to still maintain battlefied efficiency. And that in certain situations, this bug can be advantageous (tanks and DS's).
Knowledge is power.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:10:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I don't really play this game anymore
Why you still here bud?
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:11:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote:Well I hope during your hiatus you are learning how to read. I didn't say it wasn't an issue, in fact I clearly stated it was an issue. I am simply offering advice on how to work around the bug to still maintain battlefied efficiency. And that in certain situations, this bug can be advantageous (tanks and DS's).
Knowledge is power.
I didn't even read your post because I wasn't responding to you
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:IS THE BIGGEST MYTH OF 1.8.
It's the skill bug that causes you to spawn with less HP.
Use a basic or breach forge and wait for 3.5s/6s respectively.
And stop complaining!!!!!
Use the time to get some practice in with Wyka or Kaal. I know I am.
Implying that it is NOT a bug and it should NOT be repeatedly and endlessly railed into CCPs heads until fixed.
But thank you, for reminding me that it's not just the coding mess of DUST that pushes me away from it.
o7
1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I don't really play this game anymore Why you still here bud?
For what little amusement the forums still offer.
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Cody Sietz
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Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.02 17:19:00 -
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Can confirm that it happens on all FGs and has cost me many Dropship kills.
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