DUST Search - Brick-Tanked Scouts with Cloaks

Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:

jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:

Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

I would prefer to remove the profile reduction bonus on cloaks, so you have to use a dampener if you want to truly be stealthy; one less plate on the low slot.

I think scouts should be able to bricktank, but the HP gap between scouts and medium frames should remain significant. Right now the HP gap isn't, and an Amarr scout actually has more module slots than an Amarr assault at STD-ADV for example and allows the scout to out-tank the assault, while still being faster, stealthier, better at scanning, have a 2nd equipment etc. The issue is less pronounced with the other assaults, but the gap is too small.

The problem is the medium frame slots, and slot progression. Like every other frame size, mediums should gain only 1 module slot from one tier to the next, and the upper limit should be 8 (like mos current logis). So it should be 6 module slots STD, 7 ADV, 8 PRO.

The problem with removing the profile reduction on the cloak means suit with minimal low slots become terrible at their job because they can be scanned and detected no problem.

We should encourage e-war use, not force e-war use. Forcing a scout to use a low slot for a damp just so they can cloak is silly. Also this would make the gallente even further in front of the rest of the scouts.

*COUGH cal scout *COUGH*

Pretty much. Also minmatar at STD and ADV.

Forcing everyone to use a low slot for a damp is a buff to Amarr and Gallente merely because they have the most low slots. Most smart scouts now use damps anyway to hide from other scouts and people who are smart enough to use e-war.

tl;dr - Remove the cloak bonus to profile reduction and we're back to 1.7 where gallente is the only scout anyone will run competitively.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10215	Posted - 2014.04.01 20:08:00 - [1] - Quote I would prefer to remove the profile reduction bonus on cloaks, so you have to use a dampener if you want to truly be stealthy; one less plate on the low slot. I think scouts should be able to bricktank, but the HP gap between scouts and medium frames should remain significant. Right now the HP gap isn't, and an Amarr scout actually has more module slots than an Amarr assault at STD-ADV for example and allows the scout to out-tank the assault, while still being faster, stealthier, better at scanning, have a 2nd equipment etc. The issue is less pronounced with the other assaults, but the gap is too small. The problem is the medium frame slots, and slot progression. Like every other frame size, mediums should gain only 1 module slot from one tier to the next, and the upper limit should be 8 (like mos current logis). So it should be 6 module slots STD, 7 ADV, 8 PRO. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10218	Posted - 2014.04.01 20:40:00 - [2] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: What "problem" is it you speak of? The fact that your situational awareness sucks and you get owned by cloaked scouts? Hate to break it to you, but that's not up to ccp to solve. Quit your qq and get guuuud, scrub... The OP is a cloaking scout you idiot. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10218	Posted - 2014.04.01 20:42:00 - [3] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I would prefer to remove the profile reduction bonus on cloaks, so you have to use a dampener if you want to truly be stealthy; one less plate on the low slot. I think scouts should be able to bricktank, but the HP gap between scouts and medium frames should remain significant. Right now the HP gap isn't, and an Amarr scout actually has more module slots than an Amarr assault at STD-ADV for example and allows the scout to out-tank the assault, while still being faster, stealthier, better at scanning, have a 2nd equipment etc. The issue is less pronounced with the other assaults, but the gap is too small. The problem is the medium frame slots, and slot progression. Like every other frame size, mediums should gain only 1 module slot from one tier to the next, and the upper limit should be 8 (like mos current logis). So it should be 6 module slots STD, 7 ADV, 8 PRO. The problem with removing the profile reduction on the cloak means suit with minimal low slots become terrible at their job because they can be scanned and detected no problem. We should encourage e-war use, not force e-war use. Forcing a scout to use a low slot for a damp just so they can cloak is silly. Also this would make the gallente even further in front of the rest of the scouts. COUGH cal scout COUGH* Pretty much. Also minmatar at STD and ADV. Forcing everyone to use a low slot for a damp is a buff to Amarr and Gallente merely because they have the most low slots. Most smart scouts now use damps anyway to hide from other scouts and people who are smart enough to use e-war. tl;dr - Remove the cloak bonus to profile reduction and we're back to 1.7 where gallente is the only scout anyone will run competitively. At advanced, all scouts have enough low slots for at least 2 dampeners. Assuming you don't use it to armor tank (which a Caldari or Minmatar shouldn't really be doing much of anyway), you should be fine. You wouldn't be forced either, if you want to go for the armor plates than nothing would stop you, but it comes at the cost of stealth; its a tradeoff like it should be. Even if you can't dampen as much, you can be a better at detecting with high slot scan mods, and surpass the Gallente and Amarr scouts at detection. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+