DUST Search - Cloaked Shotty Scouts

AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote:

I've seen a lot of QQ about the fact that people can shoot immediately after decloaking. I don't quite understand it. The entire purpose if the cloak is to give the true scout a fighting chance against an opponent with 2,3,4 and sometimes even 5 times the eHP. We NEED that high alpha because we're often dealing with foes who are bigger and badder than us. I run with 249 eHP. No tank whatsoever. I'm scanning and range "tanked" if you would.I can defend a point and stalk an opponent in ways that were possible pre 1.8, but much more difficult and much less rewarding. These AR, CR, ScR, RR users blap me in an instant. An instant. Don't even get me started in heavies. Shouldn't weapons like the hmg have a slight delay before dealing uber damage per second? I'm still dead before I hear the hmg fire and before the animation for shooting actually starts. Seriously.My only chance is dealing damage before someone notices me. And with the unreliability of the shotgun and the brick tanked nature of most suits, that's still not a guarantee. If you add a delay before you can fire from the cloak, then you expose the scout to unnecessary risk. The problem is tanked cloaked scouts. These guys are basically just assaults, abusing the scout suit. Disregard them. Real scouts NEED that high alpha - if it's not present you've essentially removed the most essential buff the scout suit has actually received in 1.8 - the ability to perform an assassination.

I would support a quicker decloaking process however. That is, the instant you switch, you lose your Cloak. This is substantively different than adding a delay after decloaking. It still gives you e opportunity for a high alpha, but gives the opponent an instant to react.


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Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1388	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:07:00 - [1] - Quote AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: I've seen a lot of QQ about the fact that people can shoot immediately after decloaking. I don't quite understand it. The entire purpose if the cloak is to give the true scout a fighting chance against an opponent with 2,3,4 and sometimes even 5 times the eHP. We NEED that high alpha because we're often dealing with foes who are bigger and badder than us. I run with 249 eHP. No tank whatsoever. I'm scanning and range "tanked" if you would.I can defend a point and stalk an opponent in ways that were possible pre 1.8, but much more difficult and much less rewarding. These AR, CR, ScR, RR users blap me in an instant. An instant. Don't even get me started in heavies. Shouldn't weapons like the hmg have a slight delay before dealing uber damage per second? I'm still dead before I hear the hmg fire and before the animation for shooting actually starts. Seriously.My only chance is dealing damage before someone notices me. And with the unreliability of the shotgun and the brick tanked nature of most suits, that's still not a guarantee. If you add a delay before you can fire from the cloak, then you expose the scout to unnecessary risk. The problem is tanked cloaked scouts. These guys are basically just assaults, abusing the scout suit. Disregard them. Real scouts NEED that high alpha - if it's not present you've essentially removed the most essential buff the scout suit has actually received in 1.8 - the ability to perform an assassination. I would support a quicker decloaking process however. That is, the instant you switch, you lose your Cloak. This is substantively different than adding a delay after decloaking. It still gives you e opportunity for a high alpha, but gives the opponent an instant to react. Shotgun fires off 2 rounds before most suits can even turn around (unless using a KB/M). Shotgun can 1-2 shot all but the tankiest proto suits and can 3 shot all but the tankiest heavies (supposing body shots and not head shots). We non-scouts have no problem with your high alpha damage. We DO have a problem with you being able to kill us before you even fully decloak. Basically.... our suits cost money suit too. If a mlt scout can stand in a corner with a mlt shotty completely invisible and then intsa pop a 200k brick-tanked proto suit in as much time as it takes for that suit to turn halfway around, it's not balanced. The cloak makes a sound when it goes down, and it's that sound that is supposed to balance the cloak. When the scout can fire before the sound even plays it doesn't work as a balance, it's merely a feature. Make the R2 button inactive while a cloak is up and have the cloak either have to be fully drained or manually turned and have the cloak completely gone before the R2 button will function again. This allows scouts the ability to reposition smartly and decloak in secure positions without the ability to pull the insta-gank-protosuit/recloak/insta-gank-protosuit/recloak BS that has the forums currently in an uproar. As for your "but I wanna kill people while invisible" views.... no. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1389	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:10:00 - [2] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: My concern is that cloaks should be used to get into a favorable position and begin fighting the enemy or to escape. It shouldn't be used as an instant assassination tool or to instantly get a lead in the fight. It is exactly why there is a delay between cloak and stab in TF2. That delay would allow you to have a couple different builds as well. Go damps and precision so you can uncloak directly on top of someone and they will not know you are there. Go tank and decloak farther away and charge them. They will see you on radar if they have good scanning but the extra HP will that fact. In that case the cloak should grant complete invisibilty at least while walking. The cloak currently is pretty balanced you gain some camouflage while not being able to hold a weapon. And the 1 sec it takes to switch to weapon is enough to get most scouts killed with most weapons... After all it is not difficult to see cloaked scouts its just the majority of players are mindlessly rushing from a to be without paying attention whats happening left or right of them... If they made it to where you could not pull your gun until you were fully decloaked, I would have no problem with cloaked players keeping their neigh-invisible status when walking (like when standing still). Running shimmer should stay, but I could agree to walking invisibility as a trade-off for decloaking before you can pull a gun. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.