DUST Search - Skill or Skill Points

Cotsy8 wrote:

bamboo x wrote:

Skill.

There are the people who play Dust because they have blood red eyes and don't care about anything but shooting and killing.

Then there are gamers. Gamers who have been tested throughout the years by RPGs and platformers.

Gamers whose hand-eye-coordination are so in sync from gaming their whole lives they will win at any fighter game hands down.

I know I sound like I'm making a speech here, but I'm starting to see the Eve elements of Dust come out tonight, and understanding the RPG elements of a MMOFPS that's also at its roots a RPG is going to separate the winners from the losers.

There is a different between some 6 year old spastic kid playing a FPS and who he is really referring too.

I have two 3m SP chars, it's not easy matching up against high SP players which my 17m SP char can handle with ease. The advantages provided by SP far far outweighs a skillful player running one of those starter fits.

I can pick up any CoD or BF game on XBox, a system i have played only a handful of times and do well. When i picked up dust, it was 5 months of pure struggle and domination by guys like xxshotsxx and imperfects. When i reach that 25-26m SP plateau when you max out your suit, there's no question SP owns.

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thomas mak 70	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:17:00 - [1] - Quote Which one is more important? Why? Personally I choose skill because I kill proto type suits with medic the starter fit Give me back my working ADS Give me back ml skill-needed tank battles Give me back those things you showed us before
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2181	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:19:00 - [2] - Quote Skill points. Without it, you're doomed to militia fit, which is poop. With V skills, you can turn standard into advanced and advanced into proto. How you use your standard-now-advanced is reliant on skill, and with skill you standard stomp (which I'm rather fond of). "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1036	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:20:00 - [3] - Quote In New Eden, usually skill. We have plenty of lolmails to prove that SP means jack in certain situations. /c DUSTBoard DUSTSearch DUST Server Status

thomas mak 70	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:22:00 - [4] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Skill points. Without it, you're doomed to militia fit, which is poop. With V skills, you can turn standard into advanced and advanced into proto. How you use your standard-now-advanced is reliant on skill, and with skill you standard stomp (which I'm rather fond of). So you vote for skill or skill point?, you are talking about both Give me back my working ADS Give me back ml skill-needed tank battles Give me back those things you showed us before
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2181	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:26:00 - [5] - Quote thomas mak wrote: So you vote for skill or skill point?, you are talking about both Before I say anything else, let it be known I'm pretty terrible with wording at times. Basically, skill points in the beginning are a higher priority. I mean, sure, it's nice to be able to use militia and kill weak suits, but you'll struggle with anything that is well equipped or has experience as well. Later on, as you amass skill points and unlock the use of things outside of militia, skill is more important, as that allows you to turn anything into a dangerous weapon. I'm more or less saying both. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5680	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:29:00 - [6] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: In New Eden, usually skill. We have plenty of lolmails to prove that SP means jack in certain situations. /c Skill an tactics win more often than not indeed. You can out gun anyone you like, but being outmatched and outsmarted will get you killed. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 978	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:30:00 - [7] - Quote SP as it allows you to have multiple suits to better adapt to a constantly evolving battlefield Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando III Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4756	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:39:00 - [8] - Quote Investing SP wisely is a skill in and of itself. Welcome to New Eden. .also, skill trumps SP investment when one player has top-tier skills on a noob alt and the other is playing a console FPS for the first time on a friend's proto account. With a competent player vs. a highly-skilled player, gear and SP investment will still make a difference, but not as much of a difference as the players' relative skill levels. When you're good, SP helps you to lean towards greatness, but when you're bad, SP doesn't make up for the holes in your performance.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 5430	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:44:00 - [9] - Quote Depends on what you call skill. Some scrub tacticts people consider skillfull and vice versa. Neither one of them matters though, what matters is how healthy it is for the game. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1129	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:45:00 - [10] - Quote thomas mak wrote: Which one is more important? Why? Personally I choose skill because I kill proto type suits with medic the starter fit Yes yes, the all-so-popular argument lol. Let's repeat it once more: Quote: Personally I choose skill because I kill proto type suits with medic the starter fit Everybody kills prototypes with a starter fit. Also with a new character. By meleeing them. Now do it constantly, in every battle. I don't even... Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov

BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 989	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:57:00 - [11] - Quote thomas mak wrote: Which one is more important? Why? Personally I choose skill because I kill proto type suits with medic the starter fit What about dat Clacker? lmao... sorry I couldn't resist
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 666	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:07:00 - [12] - Quote Krill is more important. Without it, the Antarctic food chain would collapse. The various creatures of the Antarctic that rely on krill would have to resort to the extreme for food. In other words, humans. Whales would roll around on land like massive rolling pins, flattening all that oppose them, creating delicious human cr+¬pes. Seals would lure in humans with their adorableness and then beat the humans with clubs, tenderizing our tasty flesh before ripping us apart in an act of hunger and vengeance. Squid would... oh wait you're talking about skill? Nevermind then. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 127	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:11:00 - [13] - Quote thomas mak wrote: Which one is more important? Why? Personally I choose skill because I kill proto type suits with medic the starter fit To an extent both, if you can't figure out how to shootz doods with mah gunz, then it won't matter how many skill points you have. That said, this game is a first person shooter and when you have played one you have played them all, There's no bullet drop or serious strafing penalties so it's pretty simple to master, which at that point is when the game becomes about skill points. That and who has the better K/BM set up, cause it's pretty rough to hit doods when they be going ADADADADADADADADADADADADADAD on them keyboords! Those are the only guys that give me a real hard time to shoot with my dinky analog sticks.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 630	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:17:00 - [14] - Quote Skill. There are the people who play Dust because they have blood red eyes and don't care about anything but shooting and killing. Then there are gamers. Gamers who have been tested throughout the years by RPGs and platformers. Gamers whose hand-eye-coordination are so in sync from gaming their whole lives they will win at any fighter game hands down. I know I sound like I'm making a speech here, but I'm starting to see the Eve elements of Dust come out tonight, and understanding the RPG elements of a MMOFPS that's also at its roots a RPG is going to separate the winners from the losers. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 521	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:24:00 - [15] - Quote Both are equally important. With high skill points and expensive gear but a lack of real skill any player can be taken out with just a little but of tactical work (or a grenade) With good skills but poor equipment you will not stand a chance vs other skilled well equipped players.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 986	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:28:00 - [16] - Quote Skill trumps SP, even my 25M SP friend says so. I don't need luck, I have a cloak. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 200	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:30:00 - [17] - Quote thomas mak wrote: Which one is more important? Why? Personally I choose skill because I kill proto type suits with medic the starter fit This isn't an argument. Its skill points. End of story. It's why most people are here, they can't hack it in CoD or BF where skill and fast responses matter.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 128	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:32:00 - [18] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Skill trumps SP, even my 25M SP friend says so. How does one walk alone and also have friends? I call shenanigans, is your "friend" really just you?
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 200	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:36:00 - [19] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Skill. There are the people who play Dust because they have blood red eyes and don't care about anything but shooting and killing. Then there are gamers. Gamers who have been tested throughout the years by RPGs and platformers. Gamers whose hand-eye-coordination are so in sync from gaming their whole lives they will win at any fighter game hands down. I know I sound like I'm making a speech here, but I'm starting to see the Eve elements of Dust come out tonight, and understanding the RPG elements of a MMOFPS that's also at its roots a RPG is going to separate the winners from the losers. There is a different between some 6 year old spastic kid playing a FPS and who he is really referring too. I have two 3m SP chars, it's not easy matching up against high SP players which my 17m SP char can handle with ease. The advantages provided by SP far far outweighs a skillful player running one of those starter fits. I can pick up any CoD or BF game on XBox, a system i have played only a handful of times and do well. When i picked up dust, it was 5 months of pure struggle and domination by guys like xxshotsxx and imperfects. When i reach that 25-26m SP plateau when you max out your suit, there's no question SP owns.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 129	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:41:00 - [20] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: bamboo x wrote: Skill. There are the people who play Dust because they have blood red eyes and don't care about anything but shooting and killing. Then there are gamers. Gamers who have been tested throughout the years by RPGs and platformers. Gamers whose hand-eye-coordination are so in sync from gaming their whole lives they will win at any fighter game hands down. I know I sound like I'm making a speech here, but I'm starting to see the Eve elements of Dust come out tonight, and understanding the RPG elements of a MMOFPS that's also at its roots a RPG is going to separate the winners from the losers. There is a different between some 6 year old spastic kid playing a FPS and who he is really referring too. I have two 3m SP chars, it's not easy matching up against high SP players which my 17m SP char can handle with ease. The advantages provided by SP far far outweighs a skillful player running one of those starter fits. I can pick up any CoD or BF game on XBox, a system i have played only a handful of times and do well. When i picked up dust, it was 5 months of pure struggle and domination by guys like xxshotsxx and imperfects. When i reach that 25-26m SP plateau when you max out your suit, there's no question SP owns. This is FPS games, the game could start new players with just their fists and give vets a BFG and the vets are still going to say it was skill that bested the new players. Ego and smack talk is tandamount to FPS games and pretty much gaming in general. These kinds of topics will always bring out everyones inner Epeen.

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2509	Posted - 2014.04.01 07:13:00 - [21] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Skill trumps SP, even my 25M SP friend says so. How does one walk alone and also have friends? I call shenanigans, is your "friend" really just you? How can 'we' walk alone anyway? 'Are you alone?' 'No, there's three of us.' 'I said, are you alone!?' 'Yes, the three of us.' ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 527	Posted - 2014.04.01 07:40:00 - [22] - Quote isk. isk means more than skill or sp. "We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
thomas mak 71	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:25:00 - [23] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: isk. isk means more than skill or sp. well I use medic the starter fit Give me back my working ADS Give me back ml skill-needed tank battles Give me back those things you showed us before
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4760	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:35:00 - [24] - Quote thomas mak wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: isk. isk means more than skill or sp. well I use medic the starter fit You know the suit you run doesn't necessarily define how much SP you have, right? I can use the Medic STARTER FIT on a character with 19293832847384363278362383 SP if I can get that much SP. Having maxed out AR skills doesn't prevent me from running a Militia AR. Being able to run a Prototype Scout doesn't make my Standard Scout fittings magically become invalid. You can say "SP doesn't matter because I use Starter Fits" all you want, but if you've got 12 million SP and most of it is invested in core skills and the skills which buff your Starter Fit's weapons, that entirely negates your argument. SP does give a player some benefit. So does gear. Skill gives MORE benefit than SP or gear, but the combination of the two can tip the balance if the skill difference isn't massive. There is no single factor that you can point to which will ALWAYS decide a battle.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 934	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:37:00 - [25] - Quote Skill itself. If you know how to flank and catch people off guard, you can do well in a suit in a militia suit. What will suffer is your ability to go toe to toe with people as HP and damage go up with SP. This means that a Heavy is probably a bad choice for this. However, a Medium or Light suit that can get behind the enemies and take them out is clearly quite effective. If you are a sniper, skill as well. If you can always pull off headshots with a militia sniper, you are doing more damage than someone using prototype gear. Of course, the good player playing a character with 25 million SP is a true terror. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9141	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:41:00 - [26] - Quote It doesn't really matter in the end. All SP does is accentuate skill. You could be a mediocre player and SP makes you a good player. You could be a great player and SP would still make you a great player. It is what it is. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two


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