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DiablosMajora Occultum Scientia Black Flame. 4	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:46:00 - [1] - Quote I've always wondered, why hasn't a formal financial market been made for EVE or DUST? Instead of having just our commodity market, why not financial markets? It would add a whole different dimension to Trading (as I've done in EVE, Jita memories). For a TLDR of the post, skip to the bottom. For simplicity and practicality, I suggest that borrowers and lenders are exclusively corporations and their officers, while speculators can be corporations or individuals. The finance market can be split into three distinct categories: 1) Borrowers 2) Lenders 3) Speculators 1 - Borrowers Alms for the poor? The borrower is corporation that finds itself with a potential profitable business prospect (whether a secret & lucrative mineral pocket, a resource intensive manufacturing project with extremely high demand, or a sparsely defended piece of real estate), but is for one reason or another short of funds. While the corporation could continue operations as normal to produce an income to close the funds-gap, they sacrifice another important resource... time, or opportunity cost. To save themselves time, the corporation borrows funds. This can be accomplished through LOANS (see below. 2 - Lenders Good Goy The lender is a corporation that sits on a hefty sum of capital, but wishes to start growing their asset base. The corporation does this by making LOANS. Loans include features such as: a) Up to a three-month duration (short-term), to one-year (long-term). b) Collateral, that will be held in escrow until the loan is paid. An asset (such as items, or even planets/districts. In such a scenario the planet will be 'owned' by the lender but controlled and run by the borrower to pay the debt-service). c) Interest, to be determined by the creator of the loan, to be compounded over a number of periods (daily, weekly, monthly) and also determined at creation of the loan. Paid in isk. The lending process works as such... A borrower opens the market tab, subsection Financial. Here they can enter in some parameters for a loan that fits their needs (amount lent, collateral value [determined by market], interest rate, etc). A list of competitive loans fills the screen, best fitting the borrower's requirements. After looking over the details, the borrower puts up their required collateral into escrow, and accepts the loan. Their wallet is now brimming with dosh, their collateral unusable until the loan is paid. Simple process. But ah, our borrower happened to find a low-collateral loan and has decided to default for lack of payment. CONCORD gets pissed, and congratulations you now have a bounty on your head for the remainder of the loan! That borrower's collateral, if any, is now deposited into the lender's asset base as sorry compensation. 3 - Speculators Toppins? What I think is the most important by far, much moreso than lending & borrowing, and something that can be done by individuals or corporations. Speculators try to predict future prices and bet on their predictions. Speculation, I think, can be implemented by the creation of financial contracts, aka Derivatives. There are a few derivatives in particular that would be useful, namely: a) Option contracts - best described as 'insurance' on a position, and can be used to hedge. For simplicity, only covered calls and puts can be bought/sold; sellers of "call" contracts must put up required items in the contract escrow until the contract is cancelled or bought. If it is bought, the buyer can buy the items at any point before expiration of the contract. Sellers of "put" contracts my put the required isk for the determined amount of items in escrow until cancelled or bought. Contracts also go out for up to a three-month period. Example - A trader believes that the price of an item will rise in the near future, so he buys a lot of that item. Fearing that the price may also drop, he buys an option contract (in this case, a "put") for a small premium. The "put" give him the right to sell his lot of items for a predetermined price (the "exercise price"). If the price falls below the "exercise price", he can limit his loss (or even make a profit, if the price swing is large enough). The seller of the "put" contract, however, gains the small premium but must buy the lot of items as the exercise price, thus incurring a substantial loss! There is also a similar scenario in the opposite. Suppose a trader thinks prices are going to fall dramatically, so he starts selling all of his items. To limit any dumb mistakes from possible increasing prices, he buys a 'call' contract, where if the market price exceed the exercise price, the trader has the right to buy so many goods at the exercise price from the seller of the call contract. b) Futures contracts A contract where two parties agree to an exchange of goods for isk at a predetermined price at a predetermined date. Contracts also only go out for up to a three-month period. All goods and funds are put up in escrow until the future date arrives. TLDR - Let us: lend isk, borrow isk, and use derivative contracts to create a robust financial system in the DUST universe. Such a system would also send signals to devs/players about certain items, due to their prices and, especially, volatility. Wars would be fought over resources like never before. Titans of industry would rise and fall. Epics written about the "Great DUST Depression". Prepare you angus
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:51:00 - [2] - Quote This things exist in Eve. Dust has a broken economy. Thats why we don't have the basic player market. The main problem is PC. A to small part of the players have districts and are farming ISK.This ISK are invested in protostomping pubs making more ISK. The few elite corps are dominating the ISK income in the game CCP is afraid of making a dust player market because that will show the imbalance of the ISK incomes.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 3085	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:53:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

DiablosMajora Occultum Scientia Black Flame. 4	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:56:00 - [4] - Quote @Odigos Ellinas Did they add borrowing/lending & derivatives to EVE? If so, where the hell have I been?! @ Saberwing Would a financial market be feasible once a vanilla player's commodity market was up and running? Prepare you angus
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5401	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:59:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Hrmm... ETA on that? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1368	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:01:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Excellent! /rubs hands together. Fun > Realism
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5679	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:03:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Hrmm... ETA on that? We've been trying to get that info pretty much since beta started. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Bettie Boop 2100190003 ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 181	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:11:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Hrmm... ETA on that? SoonGäó S¦¦FÇîsÅûS¦ï Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. -s¡½s¡É/Sun Tzu
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 46	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:45:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! too much ISK in dust? Favoring High Latency Is Sh*t
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2132	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:45:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Could you give us some more insight into that in a devblog? What are problems he encounters to make it work? What did he accomplish so far? What does he intend to let it look like when he's finished? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 66	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:26:00 - [11] - Quote Yaay, finacial speculation! Thats what the world really needs ... more financial speculation. Even in the games now :D Finally I get the meaning and feeling of the Tool song "Aenima". Now seriously: I think its a cool idea. I'd be excited to see the corrupting and disrupting effects of moneyed interest and speculation in game. This could prove to be a very newsworthy part of the game and make it feel even more real and bleak. Cant wait to see the first "Cloak Bubble" burst ;D It would have nothing left to do with fairness, because the corporations who have made the most income already via exploiting the pre 1.8 PC mechanics will become cemented power-blocks. There may be not much change / dynamic going on in the future I think, if the power of ISK is increased even more. So this might be a problem, if the other players (the girls who just want to have fu'un) had no place to evade to and be slowly crushed more and more under the proto-power brought by infinite ISK. Also, are there any externalities that could disrupt dysfunctional financial behaviour, like in real life? Or is the world of dust and eve too "perfect" for that, because its a mathematical / closed system with a defined set of inputs, unlike the real world that is inherently unpredictable? Another question is, where do the assets to be traded / speculated upon come from? In dust, there is only the end-of match loot and the unlimited supply of gear, available on the market. So there wouldnt be a real supply and demand dynamic there, because the supply is endless. Nothing to be traded, besides purely financial products, isnt there? Hello I am a casual solo player. Nice to meet you. What? Yes, I really exist! Dust NPE status today: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 1004	Posted - 2014.04.01 12:48:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Hrmm... ETA on that? You should know better than to ask. Player market has been a "prority" since February 2013 at least. That was what they told me back then. So if a prority takes 18 months, and still no delivery, you can make good guesses about the timeline. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
DiablosMajora Occultum Scientia Black Flame. 6	Posted - 2014.04.01 13:43:00 - [13] - Quote @Hansei Kaizen Yes, the big corps that already have massive sums of isk would have a starting advantage. But also think, if they're playing with that money in the financial markets they have enormous sums to also lose. If a big bet of theirs happens to go under, they fold. The recent financial collapse of 2008 is a brilliant example! And what's even better, there will be no such thing as "Too Big To Fail", there will be no greater entity to rescue those corporation from financial distress, nothing, nada, zilch. Imminent collapse of that corporation's power structures, and with nothing left to defend their asset base (in this case, districts, planets, and manufacturing bases), the WARS would be magnificent. It would be absolute and utter chaos. As to your externalities question, I'd expect that with a speculation component the markets would be much more volatile... Especially if options and futures become a thing. If some unforeseen event comes around and disrupts the market, that is the price that is paid, and that is how things work in real life. I'd expect that the market would recover much faster, though. Regarding the creation of assets, the finance market assumes some sort of manufacturing component, whether from EVE or DUST, or some combination of the two. It wouldn't work the way things currently are, unfortunately. Prepare you angus
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 761	Posted - 2014.04.01 13:46:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! April fools joke? Too good to be true. :P >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 C0VEN 201	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:40:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! I am livin' on channel z Getting nothing but static, getting nothing but static Static in my attic from channel z Getting nothing but static, getting nothing but static. Static filling my attic from channel z I don't know---i feel like something's happening Something good is happening! I feel love has got to come on, and i want it Something big and lovely I want the world to change for me! gotta get away Away from z---living on the edge of z Space junk---laser bombs---ozone holes Better put up my umbrella! Giant stacks blowin' smoke Politicrits pushin' dope All i know---we've got to change what's happening Something good could happen I feel light has got to come through---and i need it Something big and lovely I want the world to change for me---gotta get away---away from z Living on the edge of z Waste dumps---toxic fog---irradiate---and keep it fresh forever Good old boys---tellin' lies 'bout time---i got wise Getting nothing but static Static in my attic from channel z Gotta tune in---pico waves ... gotta tune out---pcb's Gotta tune in---market crash ... gotta tune out---polar shift Gotta tune in---narrow minds ... gotta tune out---space junk Gotta tune in---pico waves ... gotta tune out---pcb's Gotta tune in---market crash ... gotta tune out---polar shift Gotta tune in---narrow minds ... gotta tune out---space junk Gotta tune in---bombs ... gotta tune out---atomic lasers falling from the sky Where's my umbrella? Gonna shoot that static down the drain Gonna put that static out of my brain Gonna put up my antennae. free! Hamburger ads!---pop up in my head--- On the edge of aquarius---i'm living on the edge Secret wars!---take my money away! I know i feel a change is happening---something good will happen I feel love is coming on strong, and i want it We can make it happen I want the world to change for me---gotta get away---away from z Living on the edge of---zzzzzzzz Channel z's all static all day forever---time to open your windows, Let in better weather nothing to see here ... move along
DiablosMajora Occultum Scientia Black Flame. 6	Posted - 2014.04.01 21:01:00 - [16] - Quote bump Prepare you angus
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.04.01 21:14:00 - [17] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: @Odigos Ellinas Did they add borrowing/lending & derivatives to EVE? If so, where the hell have I been?! @ Saberwing Would a financial market be feasible once a vanilla player's commodity market was up and running? In eve the game mechanic allows player corporation to get shares on the market with what comes with it.(take overs,merges,etc) In metagaming there are a lot of corporations that are lending money like a bank and other corps are making lotteries etc. CCP must not do everything you can do the lottery in dust by your self. Make a channel with a 2nd 3rd toon inv ppl tell them to pay 100ISK and in the end of the week one winner takes 1000ISK if you keep doing that you can increase the amount of money. Like in real life watch out for the scams
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 725	Posted - 2014.04.01 21:51:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Is CCP Z looking at making a DUST only economy? With plans to later integrate it into the EVE economy? Would a DUST only economy somehow hinder an integrated economy? If so, I'd be fine waiting to have the integrated economy, rather than a DUST only economy that could potentially make us wait even longer for an integrated economy. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
DiablosMajora Occultum Scientia Black Flame. 7	Posted - 2014.04.01 22:22:00 - [19] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Is CCP Z looking at making a DUST only economy? With plans to later integrate it into the EVE economy? Would a DUST only economy somehow hinder an integrated economy? If so, I'd be fine waiting to have the integrated economy, rather than a DUST only economy that could potentially make us wait even longer for an integrated economy. babby steps Prepare you angus
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 418	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:32:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! You guys need to hire the dust info guy.

Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 72	Posted - 2014.04.02 07:46:00 - [21] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: @Hansei Kaizen Yes, the big corps that already have massive sums of isk would have a starting advantage. But also think, if they're playing with that money in the financial markets they have enormous sums to also lose. If a big bet of theirs happens to go under, they fold. The recent financial collapse of 2008 is a brilliant example! And what's even better, there will be no such thing as "Too Big To Fail", there will be no greater entity to rescue those corporation from financial distress, nothing, nada, zilch. Imminent collapse of that corporation's power structures, and with nothing left to defend their asset base (in this case, districts, planets, and manufacturing bases), the WARS would be magnificent. It would be absolute and utter chaos. As to your externalities question, I'd expect that with a speculation component the markets would be much more volatile... Especially if options and futures become a thing. If some unforeseen event comes around and disrupts the market, that is the price that is paid, and that is how things work in real life. I'd expect that the market would recover much faster, though. Regarding the creation of assets, the finance market assumes some sort of manufacturing component, whether from EVE or DUST, or some combination of the two. It wouldn't work the way things currently are, unfortunately. Good arguments there. Thank you for replying. I think your last point would then depend on CCP initializing the right "unforseen" events at the right time to disrupt the system a little. The amount of hate from the alliances with the greatest losses would be unprecedented though, becaue the events are not really random and unforseen, but planned, willed and implemented by CCP ... Could you pose a solution to such a scenario? Would appreciate your opinion. Hello I am a casual solo player. Nice to meet you. What? Yes, I really exist! Dust NPE status today: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
DiablosMajora Occultum Scientia Black Flame. 8	Posted - 2014.04.02 21:26:00 - [22] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: @Hansei Kaizen Yes, the big corps that already have massive sums of isk would have a starting advantage. But also think, if they're playing with that money in the financial markets they have enormous sums to also lose. If a big bet of theirs happens to go under, they fold. The recent financial collapse of 2008 is a brilliant example! And what's even better, there will be no such thing as "Too Big To Fail", there will be no greater entity to rescue those corporation from financial distress, nothing, nada, zilch. Imminent collapse of that corporation's power structures, and with nothing left to defend their asset base (in this case, districts, planets, and manufacturing bases), the WARS would be magnificent. It would be absolute and utter chaos. As to your externalities question, I'd expect that with a speculation component the markets would be much more volatile... Especially if options and futures become a thing. If some unforeseen event comes around and disrupts the market, that is the price that is paid, and that is how things work in real life. I'd expect that the market would recover much faster, though. Regarding the creation of assets, the finance market assumes some sort of manufacturing component, whether from EVE or DUST, or some combination of the two. It wouldn't work the way things currently are, unfortunately. Good arguments there. Thank you for replying. I think your last point would then depend on CCP initializing the right "unforseen" events at the right time to disrupt the system a little. The amount of hate from the alliances with the greatest losses would be unprecedented though, becaue the events are not really random and unforseen, but planned, willed and implemented by CCP ... Could you pose a solution to such a scenario? Would appreciate your opinion. "Unforseen" events in this case are things like servers being DDOS'd (as the EVE servers were before by Lulzsec), Goons blocking off a whole area of space from Ice Mining (driving the prices of ice to the moon), or hotfixes/stealth nerfs. Speculation, in a way, is already a thing in DUST (oh, ccp accidentally made an aurum AV-nade available for isk? better buy a lot! oh I got BPOs? better save them!). My solution to your question though... Dont' fly/fit/bet/risk what you can't afford to lose. Prepare you angus
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 97	Posted - 2014.04.02 21:39:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Are you sure it's okay to just assign one person to this? Seems like a lot, and it could take quite some time for a detailed market to be put into working order. Unless it's overly simplistic in that case one person is probably fine. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:55:00 - [24] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Are you sure it's okay to just assign one person to this? Seems like a lot, and it could take quite some time for a detailed market to be put into working order. Unless it's overly simplistic in that case one person is probably fine. By more AUR and they hire more Devs. After all its a free to play game.
Klivve Cussler S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 225	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:16:00 - [25] - Quote I think one of the most interesting issues with the economy is that Dust Isk is not equivalent to Eve Isk. I read elsewhere that it's trading at 10 to 1 (10 eve isk is worth 1 Dust Isk). At present, there's only one exchange service, so there's no rate competition, but it says interesting things about the relative difficulty in making profit across the two games. It also confirms something that has been true for Eve for a long time: players will take a tool meant to be a flashlight and use it to build a transcontinental messaging system. Half the features in Eve are copies of features dreamed up by players and built out of unrelated tools. It will be fun to watch it happen in Dust. Of course, it might be wise to learn the story of the 1st Eve Bank. It's a wonderful tale of the perils of a complete lack of regulation.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 850	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:26:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! He's been on board for what, 2+ years and is still struggling to put a trading system in place? Copy and past from the Eve code and let the players make the market price adjustments, it is really not that difficult. There for the 2 years of "work" he has done I can accomplish more in 15 minutes. What is honestly the real holdup? I don't get why you guys are dragging your feet on this essential feature. LogiGod earns his pips
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7799	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:45:00 - [27] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! He's been on board for what, 2+ years and is still struggling to put a trading system in place? Copy and past from the Eve code and let the players make the market price adjustments, it is really not that difficult. There for the 2 years of "work" he has done I can accomplish more in 15 minutes. What is honestly the real holdup? I don't get why you guys are dragging your feet on this essential feature. The full market can only be done in phases if you want it to be done right the first time. Step 1. Introduce player-to-player trading via trade windows or contracts. This will be limited to just player-to-player rather than a full blown market window that you see in Eve. Step 2. Introduce the ability to move from station to station, system to system, and region to region so that an early regional market can be established or at least help plant the seeds of establishing said markets. Step 3. Introduce resource harvesting and manufacturing of whatever you traded in Step 1. Step 4. Phase out NPC-seeded items so that only players will drive the supply and demand and so that prices will no longer be influenced by the NPC-seeded items but rather by the buying and bargaining power of the player. Of course if you want a reason why they delayed so much, you need only look at the community. The vast majority of us wanted CCP to focus more on gameplay balance and racial parity than on the market. And since many of us are Eve Online players with years experience in the market, it was only natural for us to assume that the economy needs to be done slowly and carefully so that the Eve economy cannot be negatively impacted on the first few days of the great Eve-Dust economic merger. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 451	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:07:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Have a question for you. Wy can't you just give the ability to give away items direct to any char? Then the players them self can trade amongst them selfs making deals it also ads some cool content to the mighty sandbox. Regards War never changes
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2066	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:15:00 - [29] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Have a question for you. Wy can't you just give the ability to give away items direct to any char? Then the players them self can trade amongst them selfs making deals it also ads some cool content to the mighty sandbox. Regards This. We just need basic tools in the sandbox, at least to begin with. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7800	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:24:00 - [30] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: CCP Z (yes, real Dev name) is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy. You're right - currently the economy doesn't function as it should but I assure you we're taking it seriously and have someone on board working to make it right! Have a question for you. Wy can't you just give the ability to give away items direct to any char? Then the players them self can trade amongst them selfs making deals it also ads some cool content to the mighty sandbox. Regards Perhaps it is more to do with the fact that trading in the current state we are in now will just be for nothing more than clearing our inventory until the market fully matures. Trading for profit will just be limited to officer and AUR items and not for the ISK items we spent ISK on. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor



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