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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:02:00 -
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that a rl prototype railgun is more advanced than the supposed thousands years more advanced completed caldari tech
made by a futuristic race thats already moved beyond their origin planet ?...and yet...
the rl proto type.....PROTO TYPE...AS IN WORK IN PROGRESS is 1000 times better
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnm-etchLOk
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stop smoking.
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It's almost as if Dust is a video game.
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EternalRMG
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:07:00 -
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1. Read the lore, almost none of earth tech was retreieved when the eve gate collapesed = they had to make EVERYTHING from the scrath
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Miokai Zahou
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:09:00 -
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Dude you must be fooling us because that thing is a proto type on a battleship... caldari railguns are slapped on city size starships and micro sized to fit either as a functional rifle or hand gun that can easily go 180 meters with no drop to the 'bullets' velocity....
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EternalRMG wrote:1. Read the lore, almost none of earth tech was retreieved when the eve gate collapesed = they had to make EVERYTHING from the scrath
ok so they had to remake it big deal not like they had to reinvent it and rediscover the ideas that it runs on or even rethink the power needed...technically all they had to do was remake an item not reinvent it...no i havnt read eve lore im not an eve player but logic tells me..that if they had it before it cant be as hard to remake than it would be if they never had it...which is where in rl we are currently..weve not prefected rails we just invented them...and yet ours is way more advanced anyways i undeerstand things cant be realistic for balancing reasons but i just thought it funny that a rl rail is so much better than any version of the rail to ever exist in dust.
also...i think its funny that a hand held sniper has more range than a mounted electro magnetic rail gun but hey its for balance right
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Dude you must be fooling us because that thing is a proto type on a battleship... caldari railguns are slapped on city size starships and micro sized to fit either as a functional rifle or hand gun that can easily go 180 meters with no drop to the 'bullets' velocity....
the russians have a proto type rail thats the size of the mini rails in dust ...its stronger than the large rails in dust
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Beld Errmon
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:14:00 -
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if we let realism guide us on how the game is built and balanced, it would be all UAVs, AI driven robots and tanks, cruise missiles and orbital bombardment, while that could be fun, it would be a different game altogether. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:15:00 -
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no just no
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Faunher
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:18:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Dude you must be fooling us because that thing is a proto type on a battleship... caldari railguns are slapped on city size starships and micro sized to fit either as a functional rifle or hand gun that can easily go 180 meters with no drop to the 'bullets' velocity.... the russians have a proto type rail thats the size of the mini rails in dust ...its stronger than the large rails in dust
I wasn't aware that real life, Russian prototype weapon systems translated into a ps3 FPS game. How much DPS does it have, exactly? |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:19:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:if we let realism guide us on how the game is built and balanced, it would be all UAVs, AI driven robots and tanks, cruise missiles and orbital bombardment, while that could be fun, it would be a different game altogether. Pretty much, if we're going to talk about realism let's ask why a Tank can survive an OB. I mean, it's a freaking spaceship lighting up the damn thing, there's no way a tank could survive. But often you'll see them harden up and drive away.
In reality we should be able to call in strikes that would obliterate the entire map.
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Faunher wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Dude you must be fooling us because that thing is a proto type on a battleship... caldari railguns are slapped on city size starships and micro sized to fit either as a functional rifle or hand gun that can easily go 180 meters with no drop to the 'bullets' velocity.... the russians have a proto type rail thats the size of the mini rails in dust ...its stronger than the large rails in dust I wasn't aware that real life, Russian prototype weapon systems translated into a ps3 FPS game. How much DPS does it have, exactly?
lol its actually pretty rediculous...but if ccp wants a giant electro magnetic gun they should try to call it something other than a rail gun..as a rail gun isa real thing and it hurls a projectile at approaching 3 kilometers per second ..i dont think its possible for a railgun to have 300m range...its just not compatible witha hyper charged round that travels at approaching 3 kilometer per sec...and retains a majority of its kinetic energy
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:21:00 -
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The real sad thing is that this game flopped and there is serious competition like Titanfall, Destiny, and Planetside 2 coming to consoles meaning this game is going to have to change drasticially to be able to keep up a high enough playerbasee and therefore income for the servers to keep running. We are running on MAG time right now. I hope Dust survives, but I'm not sure how it can with it's current features and it's rate of development.
Personally, I feel like the ps3 was a test run for it's possible launch on PCs where it will be more fully integrated with Eve online in about 3-5 years time.
Edit: More to the point a WW2 space opera that is Eve and Dust isn't meant to be realistic. Go play Arma if you want realism. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:29:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:EternalRMG wrote:1. Read the lore, almost none of earth tech was retreieved when the eve gate collapesed = they had to make EVERYTHING from the scrath ok so they had to remake it big deal not like they had to reinvent it and rediscover the ideas that it runs on or even rethink the power needed...technically all they had to do was remake an item not reinvent it...no i havnt read eve lore im not an eve player but logic tells me..that if they had it before it cant be as hard to remake than it would be if they never had it...which is where in rl we are currently..weve not prefected rails we just invented them...and yet ours is way more advanced anyways i undeerstand things cant be realistic for balancing reasons but i just thought it funny that a rl rail is so much better than any version of the rail to ever exist in dust. also...i think its funny that a hand held sniper has more range than a mounted electro magnetic rail gun but hey its for balance right
1) Yes it is for balance, after all imagine COD as a realistic shooter, at the ranges those maps are at the shotgun would win EVERY time.
2) They pretty much had to reinvent everything, that's why we have pump action shotguns, and tanks. The colonists that came through the EvE gate weren't exactly einsteins. As with pretty much every lore/background story because the needs of the 4 races were different to that of earth, certain aspects of culture evolve differently.
I mean the Gallante still PUBLICLY execute people as a form of entertainment. Here in Britain we stopped that in the 1800's yet this planet fairing race hasn't.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Faunher
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:32:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Faunher wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Dude you must be fooling us because that thing is a proto type on a battleship... caldari railguns are slapped on city size starships and micro sized to fit either as a functional rifle or hand gun that can easily go 180 meters with no drop to the 'bullets' velocity.... the russians have a proto type rail thats the size of the mini rails in dust ...its stronger than the large rails in dust I wasn't aware that real life, Russian prototype weapon systems translated into a ps3 FPS game. How much DPS does it have, exactly? lol its actually pretty rediculous...but if ccp wants a giant electro magnetic gun they should try to call it something other than a rail gun..as a rail gun isa real thing and it hurls a projectile at approaching 3 kilometers per second ..i dont think its possible for a railgun to have 300m range...its just not compatible witha hyper charged round that travels at approaching 3 kilometer per sec...and retains a majority of its kinetic energy
But that is precisely what a railgun is. You cannot compare real life to a video game either, it will be far too unbalanced. How I like to think of it realistically though is that the technology in the EVE universe is advanced not only in weaponry, but armor as well. The 300m range, high damage railgun rounds that we have in Dust are probably limited by the projectile that needs to be used to adequately damage its also advanced targets. Think of it this way: do you think a conventional 180mm artillery round would do much to a heavily shielded and armored HAV from Dust? |
Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:33:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Faunher wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Dude you must be fooling us because that thing is a proto type on a battleship... caldari railguns are slapped on city size starships and micro sized to fit either as a functional rifle or hand gun that can easily go 180 meters with no drop to the 'bullets' velocity.... the russians have a proto type rail thats the size of the mini rails in dust ...its stronger than the large rails in dust I wasn't aware that real life, Russian prototype weapon systems translated into a ps3 FPS game. How much DPS does it have, exactly? lol its actually pretty rediculous...but if ccp wants a giant electro magnetic gun they should try to call it something other than a rail gun..as a rail gun isa real thing and it hurls a projectile at approaching 3 kilometers per second ..i dont think its possible for a railgun to have 300m range...its just not compatible witha hyper charged round that travels at approaching 3 kilometer per sec...and retains a majority of its kinetic energy
Assault Rifles have past 300m effective range. Yet you don't seem to question that.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:34:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:EternalRMG wrote:1. Read the lore, almost none of earth tech was retreieved when the eve gate collapesed = they had to make EVERYTHING from the scrath ok so they had to remake it big deal not like they had to reinvent it and rediscover the ideas that it runs on or even rethink the power needed...technically all they had to do was remake an item not reinvent it...no i havnt read eve lore im not an eve player but logic tells me..that if they had it before it cant be as hard to remake than it would be if they never had it...which is where in rl we are currently..weve not prefected rails we just invented them...and yet ours is way more advanced anyways i undeerstand things cant be realistic for balancing reasons but i just thought it funny that a rl rail is so much better than any version of the rail to ever exist in dust. also...i think its funny that a hand held sniper has more range than a mounted electro magnetic rail gun but hey its for balance right 1) Yes it is for balance, after all imagine COD as a realistic shooter, at the ranges those maps are at the shotgun would win EVERY time. 2) They pretty much had to reinvent everything, that's why we have pump action shotguns, and tanks. The colonists that came through the EvE gate weren't exactly einsteins. As with pretty much every lore/background story because the needs of the 4 races were different to that of earth, certain aspects of culture evolve differently. I mean the Gallante still PUBLICLY execute people as a form of entertainment. Here in Britain we stopped that in the 1800's yet this planet fairing race hasn't.
hmm well if the lore accounts for caladri managing to make that tech shoot a round that slow then kudos to ccp lol...caldari scientists must resemble earth pot heads ..but besides that
nothing about the different between sniper range and railgun range has anything to do with balance its laughably unrealistic...and if we wanna talk about in game realism and things being different because they have to be because well balance...then i guess we can expect sniper range to be nerfed under 300m ? as currently...if we say having a rail gun be balanced means it must have 300m range or under then is it not safe to assume the same is needed for hand held snipers..? if so i am really excited so see this nerf and the qq it creates
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:37:00 -
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Dosn't the real life one suffer from overheating issues?
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:42:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:EternalRMG wrote:1. Read the lore, almost none of earth tech was retreieved when the eve gate collapesed = they had to make EVERYTHING from the scrath ok so they had to remake it big deal not like they had to reinvent it and rediscover the ideas that it runs on or even rethink the power needed...technically all they had to do was remake an item not reinvent it...no i havnt read eve lore im not an eve player but logic tells me..that if they had it before it cant be as hard to remake than it would be if they never had it...which is where in rl we are currently..weve not prefected rails we just invented them...and yet ours is way more advanced anyways i undeerstand things cant be realistic for balancing reasons but i just thought it funny that a rl rail is so much better than any version of the rail to ever exist in dust. also...i think its funny that a hand held sniper has more range than a mounted electro magnetic rail gun but hey its for balance right 1) Yes it is for balance, after all imagine COD as a realistic shooter, at the ranges those maps are at the shotgun would win EVERY time. 2) They pretty much had to reinvent everything, that's why we have pump action shotguns, and tanks. The colonists that came through the EvE gate weren't exactly einsteins. As with pretty much every lore/background story because the needs of the 4 races were different to that of earth, certain aspects of culture evolve differently. I mean the Gallante still PUBLICLY execute people as a form of entertainment. Here in Britain we stopped that in the 1800's yet this planet fairing race hasn't. hmm well if the lore accounts for caladri managing to make that tech shoot a round that slow then kudos to ccp lol...caldari scientists must resemble earth pot heads ..but besides that nothing about the different between sniper range and railgun range has anything to do with balance its laughably unrealistic...and if we wanna talk about in game realism and things being different because they have to be because well balance...then i guess we can expect sniper range to be nerfed under 300m ? as currently...if we say having a rail gun be balanced means it must have 300m range or under then is it not safe to assume the same is needed for hand held snipers..? if so i am really excited so see this nerf and the qq it creates
The reason it travels so slow is down to physics.
No Rifiling + Extremely Dense Rounds + Lack of AeroDynamic tunning + Different Gravity/Atmospheres + Different Quantities of Dark Matter.
Hell there is no guarantee the laws of physics that we know even work outside our galaxy, we can't prove it.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:43:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Dosn't the real life one suffer from overheating issues?
And incredible power requirements, and lots of misfires.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:43:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Dosn't the real life one suffer from overheating issues?
it actuallly does it puts out enormous ammounts of heat which is why the us navy putting them on ships is a good idea..as the heat will be dispersed into the sea...they also consume huge ammounts of power so much so that the power consumption was an issue...can you imagine how much electricity a gun like that must consume that it became an issue placing one on a ship...us naval vessels sometime have up to 4 nuclear reactors...but they must have found some solution as they are now being fitted...if not used....but stil the idea that a rl rail gun consumes so much energy that a naval vessel with 4 nuclear reactors maynot be able to support it right out of the box
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:48:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:EternalRMG wrote:1. Read the lore, almost none of earth tech was retreieved when the eve gate collapesed = they had to make EVERYTHING from the scrath ok so they had to remake it big deal not like they had to reinvent it and rediscover the ideas that it runs on or even rethink the power needed...technically all they had to do was remake an item not reinvent it...no i havnt read eve lore im not an eve player but logic tells me..that if they had it before it cant be as hard to remake than it would be if they never had it...which is where in rl we are currently..weve not prefected rails we just invented them...and yet ours is way more advanced anyways i undeerstand things cant be realistic for balancing reasons but i just thought it funny that a rl rail is so much better than any version of the rail to ever exist in dust. also...i think its funny that a hand held sniper has more range than a mounted electro magnetic rail gun but hey its for balance right 1) Yes it is for balance, after all imagine COD as a realistic shooter, at the ranges those maps are at the shotgun would win EVERY time. 2) They pretty much had to reinvent everything, that's why we have pump action shotguns, and tanks. The colonists that came through the EvE gate weren't exactly einsteins. As with pretty much every lore/background story because the needs of the 4 races were different to that of earth, certain aspects of culture evolve differently. I mean the Gallante still PUBLICLY execute people as a form of entertainment. Here in Britain we stopped that in the 1800's yet this planet fairing race hasn't. hmm well if the lore accounts for caladri managing to make that tech shoot a round that slow then kudos to ccp lol...caldari scientists must resemble earth pot heads ..but besides that nothing about the different between sniper range and railgun range has anything to do with balance its laughably unrealistic...and if we wanna talk about in game realism and things being different because they have to be because well balance...then i guess we can expect sniper range to be nerfed under 300m ? as currently...if we say having a rail gun be balanced means it must have 300m range or under then is it not safe to assume the same is needed for hand held snipers..? if so i am really excited so see this nerf and the qq it creates
Don't confuse velocity with effective range. The railgun mounted on HAVs have 80gJ of muzzle energy. Conventional railguns reach about 50mJ muzzle energy. Both shoot ridiculously fast. The difference logically would be in the projectile, and the Dust projectile is probably limited by the armor it has to penetrate. It probably has to retain that kinetic energy in order to effectively damage enemy vehicles. It is difficult to retain kinetic-energy over long distances. |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:52:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
The reason it travels so slow is down to physics.
No Rifiling + Extremely Dense Rounds + Lack of AeroDynamic tunning + Different Gravity/Atmospheres + Different Quantities of Dark Matter.
Hell there is no guarantee the laws of physics that we know even work outside our galaxy, we can't prove it.
We have a fairly good idea that they do apply outside of our galaxy, we can observe natural forces through their effects on other celestial objects and most importantly light :) |
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:59:00 -
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Faunher wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
The reason it travels so slow is down to physics.
No Rifiling + Extremely Dense Rounds + Lack of AeroDynamic tunning + Different Gravity/Atmospheres + Different Quantities of Dark Matter.
Hell there is no guarantee the laws of physics that we know even work outside our galaxy, we can't prove it.
We have a fairly good idea that they do apply outside of our galaxy, we can observe natural forces through their effects on other celestial objects and most importantly light :)
^^ this saved me from responding well put
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:27:00 -
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Faunher wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
The reason it travels so slow is down to physics.
No Rifiling + Extremely Dense Rounds + Lack of AeroDynamic tunning + Different Gravity/Atmospheres + Different Quantities of Dark Matter.
Hell there is no guarantee the laws of physics that we know even work outside our galaxy, we can't prove it.
We have a fairly good idea that they do apply outside of our galaxy, we can observe natural forces through their effects on other celestial objects and most importantly light :)
On larger objects, the objects we observe are massive, we still can't guarantee they work on objects our size.
Also we are assuming that New Eden is infact still within our own universe, they traveresed through a wormhole, which we never actually knew where it came out at.
Edit: Nice to see someone else interested in that kinda thing. 
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:14:00 -
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Future doesn't mean anything. The tech developed separately from Earth. Like Star Wars happened a long time agoGǪ but they have ships and lightsabers.
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:22:00 -
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OP assumes real world projectile physics apply to plasma charges which are as much energy blast as solid projectile.
People play along while trying to counter the argument without pulling the rug form under him.
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