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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4735	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:04:00 - [31] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Espartoi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Weapon swap delay... That's it. That is the only change I would like to see cloaks get. Just long enough of a delay that you are FULLY visible before you can pull the trigger. A swap weapon delay should be on everyone. And like King Checkmate said that's not balance is butt hurt. Lol. I'm not butt hurt. I'm a scout myself, I just think it's not reasonable for me to be able to switch to me ScR and down everyone but heavies before they can even break the shields on my Amarr suit. Well,its reasonable because its their fault for not seeing you. Its a matter of adapting.Not of making it easier for your enemies to see you. After one 1 day of playing and i can detect cloaked enemies even while standing still and even me being a little blind. If they couldnt see you/didnt bother to check around(specially if there are MULTIPLE enemies moving as a squad) then yeah, they all deserve to die. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Doctor Day THE SUPERHEROS 17	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:19:00 - [32] - Quote Gÿàyou must think its real ******* fun being killed by a shotty while being a logi or tanked scouts rail rifling people in there backGÿà I don't know how to run facepalm epic fail
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:21:00 - [33] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: Gÿàyou must think its real ******* fun being killed by a shotty while being a logi or tanked scouts rail rifling people in there backGÿà Key word....back
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4755	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:04:00 - [34] - Quote When a cloaked Scout heads towards you from in front, and YOU FAIL TO SHOOT THEM BEFORE THEY GET INTO SHOTGUN RANGE, the game isn't rewarding their poor gameplay. It's punishing your poor gameplay. Sorry Cotsy, but every time you post, this same argument counters you. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. But don't worry guys, he never comes back and tries to defend his points against VALID logic anyway, so we probably won't see him now that a few people have said the same thing. For the record, yes, I main a Shotgun Scout, but no, I don't use a cloak to do it. I'm a counter-cloaker. I hunt the enemy Scouts down and keep them off my teammates, or I defend points with scanner suits to keep track of their movements. I also run speed medic with a Repair Tool on several of my fittings. On my tank alt with no SP invested into anything infantry-related but Scrambler Rifles and ARs (I only skilled ARs a few points because I have a few fittings with BPOs), I've spent enough time playing on foot to say that a Medium Frame suit can also easily see a cloaked Scout moving at a long enough distance to gun them down at mid to long range while they're "invisible".
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1522	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:18:00 - [35] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: nope . still UNBALANCED. BALANCE: sidearm only on suits with cloak cloaked ten seconds maximum up time. Thats not balance. Thats butt hurt. I disagree with you and hope CCP does not take note of your proposition. nope thats the way its balanced in Planetside 2 want a OHK weapon then no cloak want a cloak then no OHK weapon and what CCP does or not means little once September is here and there are more PS4 games . The Shotgun is not a OHKO weapon. Takes 3-5 to kil la heavy 2-3 to take down well fitted Med Frames ( A Gal logi even took 3 shots) 1-2 to take down a Light frame. Also this is not planetside2. If you want that SLow a*** swapping speed my friend, then PLAY PLANET SIDE. except its not! slow swapping speed. want a cloak then NO CQC PRIMARY WEAPON. want a primary weapon then NO CLOAK versus CCP hey lets give them scannerinas YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED balanced ???....lol. now lets give them a CQC PRIMARY WEAPON and get a CLOAK balanced ???....lol just did a match and folks were just camping letters...lol. the camping casuals from other "shooters" are invadeing Dust. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4761	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:28:00 - [36] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: except its not! slow swapping speed. want a cloak then NO CQC PRIMARY WEAPON. want a primary weapon then NO CLOAK versus CCP hey lets give them scannerinas YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED balanced ???....lol. now lets give them a CQC PRIMARY WEAPON and get a CLOAK balanced ???....lol just did a match and folks were just camping letters...lol. the camping casuals from other "shooters" are invadeing Dust. You know how you counter a cloaked Scout camping an objective with a "primary weapon"? It's a Shotgun. We all know it's a Shotgun. It will ALWAYS be a Shotgun if they're camping on an objective. This means they're extremely limited in range. You can stay back, look for the blue shimmer, and kill them before they're close enough to kill you. If you're ALSO limited in range, guess what? THEY'RE CLOAKED. That means they don't have their weapon out, and you can kill them before they do. Problem?
Protected Void Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 264	Posted - 2014.04.01 10:48:00 - [37] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: Then you acknowledge how its easier for up you and that you're now a shotgun assassin. Hmmm, that's not what scouts are suppose to be. So you've provided yet another reason to remove cloaks. I don't even need to argue with you how cloaks are low risk, high reward with no drawback. They rewards poor gameplay, Diminish the amount of skill required to be a successful scout. Or even tell you how they rewards poor choices, reward a players lack of map awareness, or even reward a players patience or pathing or strategy ... Etc... So i guess you are now in favor of removing cloaks, you have the arguments you're just too stupid to see you're sitting on the wrong side with your conclusion. Wow first day back in the forums and i have to read this big wall of Bulls**. -''Then you acknowledge how its easier for up you and that you're now a shotgun assassin.''* Well of course, its easier for us Scouts/shotgun assassins to move now with cloak, so yeah, it IS easier. But we did it before WITHOUT cloaks, you are just mad we have something you dont. -''I don't even need to argue with you how cloaks are low risk, high reward with no drawback.'' LOW RISK HIGH REWARD? you talk as if cloaking meant invisibility.PLUS Claoking is not something CPU/PG light, its actually very hard to fit, EVEN on scouts. If you have poor eyesight like myself, get GLASSES. The Cloak help scouts and further increase the ''STEALTH'' purpose of them. -''They rewards poor gameplay, '' POOR Game play? Running people over with a car is poor game-play. Tanking a heavy and go sniping with it is poor game-play. Running in 6 man Tank squads is POOR GAMING. A Cloaked Scout is not Poor game-play. TRUE SCOUTS have been owning your asses with scouts since the beginning of time, now because we have an advantage then we have POOR GAMEPLAY? Most people saying that ; are salty, thats all. Running around in 280 HP and going 30+ kills per game with 5 or less kills TAKES A GOOD PLAYER, regardless of cloaking. Most players like myself were having good scores before 1.8, Cloaking just gives us more options. Cloaks SHOULD not be EVER removed or nerfed. Period.If someone is having problems with it, quit dust. Go play CoD or something....Cloaks are here to stay. You're a ***** moron, your argument against easy mode is to say i have it and you're jealous?! Aren't you middle school material. I'm a Scout shotgun user myself, so I can see how the cloaks have turned a whole bunch of struggling scouts into dominating forces. Do they gameplay dictate such an increase in "skill, no. Just because you struggled in previous patches doesn't mean you deserve such an easy mode or advantage to your gameplay. If you Can't use strategy to sneak up, well use a cloak. Aren't aware of your surroundings, use a cloak. Most scout struggled but now its nothing but easy mode, you love it, all scouts do.. But it isn't fair or balanced to reward gameplay and lower the punishment for mistakes. You're argument is that you should be rewarded for easy mode because they cost some CPU/PG?? Its 82 and 17, hardly difficult to equip for a lv5 scout. Do you really think paying for easy mode is the answer! "Eyes are OP" is not a valid argument. True scouts owning your ass, please, you're just a little * who can't excel without your CCP crutches. Slaying with a cape doesn't take a good player, it takes a cloak and your Logi scanner. If you were good before 1.8, then you should be happy scouts received an bonus equipment slot, as well as two new classes (flexibility and more varied roles(, plus additional modules (one low and one high) on previously released suits. If you were so good, and received boosts, then why do you need a cloak to be competitive, the answer is you do not. Cloaks should never be removed, go turn on easy mode you little *. Tired of struggling as a scout, well you got significant class boosts and an easy mode equipment. Turn it on and it limits your mistakes and provides offensive advantages for poor decisions and gameplay. You probably couldn't hack it in CoD or CS or BF, so you went to find a game where it gives you massive ad ranges dictated by SP and not necessarily skill. Hide out in games where the elite is determined by SP and not skill, go hide in a game where it's nearly impossible for low SP players to kill someone simply based on his Skill Points and not skill. The only reason cloaks are here to stay is little *** scouts who are so happy they got easy mode, now they won't struggle but excel without any increase in skill. Turn on cloak, get better.. Seems easy enough. You can take your crutches from your visit to the CCP hospital and enjoy your low risk, high reward bulllshit. Cloaks are here cause scouts are self interested and don't want to return to balanced mode. You know, if this - and a remarkably large portion of the other of your posts I've read - weren't so full of inflammatory ranting and poorly controlled temper, I might actually take the time to type out my view on cloaks (which, incidentally, is neither totally for nor against it's current incarnation). However, for the above mentioned reasons, I'm not going to bother. I'll find other threads with people interested in actual discussion, rather than you force feeding your view to everyone who will - and won't - listen.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1522	Posted - 2014.04.01 12:34:00 - [38] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: except its not! slow swapping speed. want a cloak then NO CQC PRIMARY WEAPON. want a primary weapon then NO CLOAK versus CCP hey lets give them scannerinas YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED balanced ???....lol. now lets give them a CQC PRIMARY WEAPON and get a CLOAK balanced ???....lol just did a match and folks were just camping letters...lol. the camping casuals from other "shooters" are invadeing Dust. You know how you counter a cloaked Scout camping an objective with a "primary weapon"? It's a Shotgun. We all know it's a Shotgun. It will ALWAYS be a Shotgun if they're camping on an objective. This means they're extremely limited in range. You can stay back, look for the blue shimmer, and kill them before they're close enough to kill you. If you're ALSO limited in range, guess what? THEY'RE CLOAKED. That means they don't have their weapon out, and you can kill them before they do. Problem? No. Folks are always looking for any advantage. Like the hack , swap weapons and then its perma cloaked and shooting ALL OF THE TIME. Getting fixed in next downtime. Last game there were permanently cloaked scouts dropping re below and five running around with the glitch to shoot while permanently cloaked. Theres three other glitches that let folks run invisible FULL TIME and shoot. Not going to post the glitches. Cloaks need fixing. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 863	Posted - 2014.04.01 12:45:00 - [39] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: nope . still UNBALANCED. BALANCE: sidearm only on suits with cloak cloaked ten seconds maximum up time. Thats not balance. Thats butt hurt. I disagree with you and hope CCP does not take note of your proposition. nope thats the way its balanced in Planetside 2 want a OHK weapon then no cloak want a cloak then no OHK weapon and what CCP does or not means little once September is here and there are more PS4 games . Hmm OHK weapon? In Dust? Did I miss something? NK maybe SG is surely not OHK weapon unless your are a scout or have a crap fit....
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4744	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:37:00 - [40] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: nope . still UNBALANCED. BALANCE: sidearm only on suits with cloak cloaked ten seconds maximum up time. Thats not balance. Thats butt hurt. I disagree with you and hope CCP does not take note of your proposition. nope thats the way its balanced in Planetside 2 want a OHK weapon then no cloak want a cloak then no OHK weapon and what CCP does or not means little once September is here and there are more PS4 games . The Shotgun is not a OHKO weapon. Takes 3-5 to kil la heavy 2-3 to take down well fitted Med Frames ( A Gal logi even took 3 shots) 1-2 to take down a Light frame. Also this is not planetside2. If you want that SLow a* swapping speed my friend, then PLAY PLANET SIDE. except its not! slow swapping speed. want a cloak then NO CQC PRIMARY WEAPON. want a primary weapon then NO CLOAK versus CCP hey lets give them scannerinas YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED balanced ???....lol. now lets give them a CQC PRIMARY WEAPON and get a CLOAK balanced ???....lol just did a match and folks were just camping letters...lol. the camping casuals from other "shooters" are invadeing Dust. I was saying i used SG to people off, i usually main SMG's (ISHI). So it wouldnt affect me if they removed the ''L'' slot. But i think its selfish and not possitive for the scout role. Again, cloaked enemies are not invisible**. its trully easy to see them.(SPECIALLY while moving i mean c'mon...) I truly fail to see the problem, i;ve gotten near a letter and before even taking it, i just spin around and see 2-3 cloaked dudes standing still. LOL. i mean the problem is lack of awerness from players not that cloaks are OP. People are just too lazy and dont want to check areas before proceeding... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029



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