DUST Search - Scouts from another perspective.

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Cotsy8 wrote:

Then you acknowledge how its easier for up you and that you're now a shotgun assassin. Hmmm, that's not what scouts are suppose to be. So you've provided yet another reason to remove cloaks.

I don't even need to argue with you how cloaks are low risk, high reward with no drawback. They rewards poor gameplay, Diminish the amount of skill required to be a successful scout. Or even tell you how they rewards poor choices, reward a players lack of map awareness, or even reward a players patience or pathing or strategy ... Etc...

So i guess you are now in favor of removing cloaks, you have the arguments you're just too stupid to see you're sitting on the wrong side with your conclusion.

Wow first day back in the forums and i have to read this big wall of Bulls***.

-''Then you acknowledge how its easier for up you and that you're now a shotgun assassin.''
Well of course, its easier for us Scouts/shotgun assassins to move now with cloak, so yeah, it IS easier.
But we did it before WITHOUT cloaks, you are just mad we have something you dont.

-''I don't even need to argue with you how cloaks are low risk, high reward with no drawback.'' LOW RISK HIGH REWARD? you talk as if cloaking meant invisibility.PLUS Claoking is not something CPU/PG light, its actually very hard to fit, EVEN on scouts.
If you have poor eyesight like myself, get GLASSES. The Cloak help scouts and further increase the ''STEALTH'' purpose of them.

-''They rewards poor gameplay, ''
POOR Game play?
Running people over with a car is poor game-play.
Tanking a heavy and go sniping with it is poor game-play.
Running in 6 man Tank squads is POOR GAMING.
A Cloaked Scout is not Poor game-play.
TRUE SCOUTS have been owning your asses with scouts since the beginning of time, now because we have an advantage then we have POOR GAMEPLAY?
Most people saying that ; are salty, thats all. Running around in 280 HP and going 30+ kills per game with 5 or less kills TAKES A GOOD PLAYER, regardless of cloaking. Most players like myself were having good scores before 1.8, Cloaking just gives us more options.

Cloaks SHOULD not be EVER removed or nerfed. Period.If someone is having problems with it, quit dust. Go play CoD or something....Cloaks are here to stay.

so shoot while being cloaked is good gameplay?

my opinion is shoot while being cloaked is BROKEN

as far as folks haveing a problem with this its not a big deal once September is here and there are more PS4 games .

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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4716	Posted - 2014.04.01 01:31:00 - [1] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Then you acknowledge how its easier for up you and that you're now a shotgun assassin. Hmmm, that's not what scouts are suppose to be. So you've provided yet another reason to remove cloaks. I don't even need to argue with you how cloaks are low risk, high reward with no drawback. They rewards poor gameplay, Diminish the amount of skill required to be a successful scout. Or even tell you how they rewards poor choices, reward a players lack of map awareness, or even reward a players patience or pathing or strategy ... Etc... So i guess you are now in favor of removing cloaks, you have the arguments you're just too stupid to see you're sitting on the wrong side with your conclusion. Wow first day back in the forums and i have to read this big wall of Bulls**. -''Then you acknowledge how its easier for up you and that you're now a shotgun assassin.''* Well of course, its easier for us Scouts/shotgun assassins to move now with cloak, so yeah, it IS easier. But we did it before WITHOUT cloaks, you are just mad we have something you dont. -''I don't even need to argue with you how cloaks are low risk, high reward with no drawback.'' LOW RISK HIGH REWARD? you talk as if cloaking meant invisibility.PLUS Claoking is not something CPU/PG light, its actually very hard to fit, EVEN on scouts. If you have poor eyesight like myself, get GLASSES. The Cloak help scouts and further increase the ''STEALTH'' purpose of them. -''They rewards poor gameplay, '' POOR Game play? Running people over with a car is poor game-play. Tanking a heavy and go sniping with it is poor game-play. Running in 6 man Tank squads is POOR GAMING. A Cloaked Scout is not Poor game-play. TRUE SCOUTS have been owning your asses with scouts since the beginning of time, now because we have an advantage then we have POOR GAMEPLAY? Most people saying that ; are salty, thats all. Running around in 280 HP and going 30+ kills per game with 5 or less kills TAKES A GOOD PLAYER, regardless of cloaking. Most players like myself were having good scores before 1.8, Cloaking just gives us more options. Cloaks SHOULD not be EVER removed or nerfed. Period.If someone is having problems with it, quit dust. Go play CoD or something....Cloaks are here to stay. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4717	Posted - 2014.04.01 01:47:00 - [2] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: Then you acknowledge how its easier for up you and that you're now a shotgun assassin. Hmmm, that's not what scouts are suppose to be. So you've provided yet another reason to remove cloaks. I don't even need to argue with you how cloaks are low risk, high reward with no drawback. They rewards poor gameplay, Diminish the amount of skill required to be a successful scout. Or even tell you how they rewards poor choices, reward a players lack of map awareness, or even reward a players patience or pathing or strategy ... Etc... So i guess you are now in favor of removing cloaks, you have the arguments you're just too stupid to see you're sitting on the wrong side with your conclusion. Wow first day back in the forums and i have to read this big wall of Bulls**. -''Then you acknowledge how its easier for up you and that you're now a shotgun assassin.''* Well of course, its easier for us Scouts/shotgun assassins to move now with cloak, so yeah, it IS easier. But we did it before WITHOUT cloaks, you are just mad we have something you dont. -''I don't even need to argue with you how cloaks are low risk, high reward with no drawback.'' LOW RISK HIGH REWARD? you talk as if cloaking meant invisibility.PLUS Claoking is not something CPU/PG light, its actually very hard to fit, EVEN on scouts. If you have poor eyesight like myself, get GLASSES. The Cloak help scouts and further increase the ''STEALTH'' purpose of them. -''They rewards poor gameplay, '' POOR Game play? Running people over with a car is poor game-play. Tanking a heavy and go sniping with it is poor game-play. Running in 6 man Tank squads is POOR GAMING. A Cloaked Scout is not Poor game-play. TRUE SCOUTS have been owning your asses with scouts since the beginning of time, now because we have an advantage then we have POOR GAMEPLAY? Most people saying that ; are salty, thats all. Running around in 280 HP and going 30+ kills per game with 5 or less kills TAKES A GOOD PLAYER, regardless of cloaking. Most players like myself were having good scores before 1.8, Cloaking just gives us more options. Cloaks SHOULD not be EVER removed or nerfed. Period.If someone is having problems with it, quit dust. Go play CoD or something....Cloaks are here to stay. so shoot while being cloaked is good gameplay? my opinion is shoot while being cloaked is BROKEN as far as folks haveing a problem with this its not a big deal once September is here and there are more PS4 games . Thats the only thing that might be slightly broken, and i am not completely opposed to removing it. BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKES THE CLOAK OP. ITS NOT POOR gameplay. You can still see the person ALL the time while moving and while switching from cloak to weapon the player has a delay while it decloaks thats over a second : Example, you are cloaked and someone starts shooting at you because he saw you? You will need a full seecond and a half to shoot your first shell/bullet because of the slow weapon swap speed. You people want the cloak to be removed as soon as a weapon is selected? Then i want 200% Faster Weapon swap speed so i can INSTANTLY attack out of cloak. Balance. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4722	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:37:00 - [3] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: nope . still UNBALANCED. BALANCE: sidearm only on suits with cloak cloaked ten seconds maximum up time. Thats not balance. Thats butt hurt. I disagree with you and hope CCP does not take note of your proposition. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4729	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:59:00 - [4] - Quote @ noobieCotsy8 ''I'm a Scout shotgun user myself, so I can see how the cloaks have turned a whole bunch of struggling scouts into dominating forces. '' NOPE. They are not DOMINATING FORCES.They are just AT THE SAME level as other frames. They can be easily killed by pretty much ANYTHING in this game. Scouts are given cloaks to increase their chances of survival and of sneak attacks. Its not a Godlike teleporter or anyhting. I only have Scout suit at the moment level up and i can do perfectly fine with full BPO cal med suit. I die to heavies more than anything, most scotus failing to even get close to me because they are using the cloak incorrectly. ''Just because you struggled in previous patches doesn't mean you deserve such an easy mode or advantage to your *** gameplay. ''* ITs funny how you think you know anything about me or my game play. Im a CAMPER. (yeah so what) I provide my team with drop uplinks the first minutes of a match then dedicate myself to protect a single objective. Cloaking helps me a lot wait for the right moment to attack, and its needed since DUST51 maps Lack serious Cover options or hiding spots. ''If you Can't use strategy to sneak up, well use a cloak. '' Not quite. Actually CLOAK is not very good to sneak up,since when you are sneaking up you are mostly running BEHIND someone so they are not making visual contact with you. The cloak is to minimize the chance of enemy visual contact in places where there really isnt anywhere to hide. Example of my game play (consider please i have VERY high Passive scaning and dampening capabilities) GÖª See 3 enemies going through ''x'' entrance. GÖª Look a suitable place to crouch behind. GÖª Activate cloak GÖª Wait for them to PASS me. GÖª uncloak and kill the last one GÖª Attempt to kill the second one and the third one GÖª Success or fail, go hide again in a corner, cloak to replenish HP. GÖª Uncloak and wait for other enemies to show i my radar. ''Aren't aware of your surroundings, use a cloak. Most scout struggled but now its nothing but easy mode, you love it, all scouts do.. But it isn't fair or balanced to reward ** gameplay and lower the punishment for mistakes.'' Again its funny you think im a sh!tty scout just because im defending the cloak. Makes me laugh, look here i go. Huhuhuh. ''You're argument is that you should be rewarded for easy mode because they cost some CPU/PG?? Its 82 and 17, hardly difficult to equip for a lv5 scout. Do you really think paying for easy mode is the answer!'' You are the one saying is easy mode. And its not. But makes me feel you are getting owned by cloaked players.In this case please Git Gud. ''True scouts owning your ass, please, you're just a little * who can't excel without your CCP crutches. Slaying with a cape doesn't take a good player, it takes a cloak and your Logi scanner. '' . Im not known for using Crutches. Funny, because average players with cloak and scanners have no chance against me whatsoever, yet you say its easy mode and anyone could own me with such combination,but its not the case. ''If you were good before 1.8, then you should be happy scouts received an bonus equipment slot, as well as two new classes (flexibility and more varied roles(, plus additional modules (one low and one high) on previously released suits. If you were so good, and received boosts, then why do you need a cloak to be competitive, the answer is you do not.'' I am happy scouts received better bonuses and a second equipment slot. But this wouldn't make them Truly competitive. And im talking PC competitive. Cloaks help scouts play at higher levels. Without it , a scout would be forced TO TANK again,same as they wre in 1.7.Im not saying im GOOD like OMG Calamity Jane, but im more than welcome to accept a duel if you truly are a masochist. ''You probably couldn't hack it in CoD or CS or BF, so you went to find a game where it gives you massive ad ranges dictated by SP and not necessarily skill. Hide out in games where the elite is determined by SP and not skill, go hide in a game where it's nearly impossible for low SP players to kill someone simply based on his Skill Points and not skill.'' Now you are just trying to make me feel/look bad, and its not going to happen.You know nothing of me so everything you are assuming makes YOU, look bad.not me. ''The only reason cloaks are here to stay is little *** scouts who are so happy they got easy mode, now they won't struggle but excel without any increase in skill. Turn on cloak, get better.. Seems easy enough. You can take your crutches from your visit to the CCP hospital and enjoy your low risk, high reward bulllshit. Cloaks are here cause scouts are self interested and don't want to return to balanced mode.'' Thanks to this part i realize you are NOT TRULLY a SCOUT. Scouts have struggled for a LONG time with Aim assist, Stamina nerfs, Weapon Buffs etc... NOW we are balanced because we have a CHANCE of not being seen, that compensates for LOW EHP. Noting else to discuss.You call me an EZ mode Crutch user, but NOW you are using a shotgun scout,but its pretty obvious for me that you havnt been always a scout. The cloak should stay,regardless of what butt hurt players like yourself say. Ty for your time. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4729	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:02:00 - [5] - Quote You ppl say cloak is OP and EZ mode. Im having the time of my life killing all these new scouts.... (cant say the same for heavies thou : \ ) AND some people here are saying cloaks are EZ mode, but you are the ones that want to be able to see a 300HP scout all the time in order to have a chance....(by removing the cloak) LOL @ that. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4735	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:00:00 - [6] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: nope . still UNBALANCED. BALANCE: sidearm only on suits with cloak cloaked ten seconds maximum up time. Thats not balance. Thats butt hurt. I disagree with you and hope CCP does not take note of your proposition. nope thats the way its balanced in Planetside 2 want a OHK weapon then no cloak want a cloak then no OHK weapon and what CCP does or not means little once September is here and there are more PS4 games . The Shotgun is not a OHKO weapon. Takes 3-5 to kil la heavy 2-3 to take down well fitted Med Frames ( A Gal logi even took 3 shots) 1-2 to take down a Light frame. Also this is not planetside2. If you want that SLow a*** swapping speed my friend, then PLAY PLANET SIDE. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4735	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:01:00 - [7] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: You ppl say cloak is OP and EZ mode. Im having the time of my life killing all these new scouts.... (cant say the same for heavies thou : \ ) AND some people here are saying cloaks are EZ mode, but you are the ones that want to be able to see a 300HP scout all the time in order to have a chance....(by removing the cloak) LOL @ that. nah. never had a problem with scouts or scannerinas I just wonder why are you defending shoot while being cloaked ?? Im, not defending that per se. Im not AGAINST it nor favor it. Im arguing because some nut-job said that the cloaks should be removed because they are EZ mode. I specified in one of my first posts i was not entirely AGAINST it being removed. Im just agains removing cloaks , as an equipment. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4735	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:04:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Espartoi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Weapon swap delay... That's it. That is the only change I would like to see cloaks get. Just long enough of a delay that you are FULLY visible before you can pull the trigger. A swap weapon delay should be on everyone. And like King Checkmate said that's not balance is butt hurt. Lol. I'm not butt hurt. I'm a scout myself, I just think it's not reasonable for me to be able to switch to me ScR and down everyone but heavies before they can even break the shields on my Amarr suit. Well,its reasonable because its their fault for not seeing you. Its a matter of adapting.Not of making it easier for your enemies to see you. After one 1 day of playing and i can detect cloaked enemies even while standing still and even me being a little blind. If they couldnt see you/didnt bother to check around(specially if there are MULTIPLE enemies moving as a squad) then yeah, they all deserve to die. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4744	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:37:00 - [9] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: nope . still UNBALANCED. BALANCE: sidearm only on suits with cloak cloaked ten seconds maximum up time. Thats not balance. Thats butt hurt. I disagree with you and hope CCP does not take note of your proposition. nope thats the way its balanced in Planetside 2 want a OHK weapon then no cloak want a cloak then no OHK weapon and what CCP does or not means little once September is here and there are more PS4 games . The Shotgun is not a OHKO weapon. Takes 3-5 to kil la heavy 2-3 to take down well fitted Med Frames ( A Gal logi even took 3 shots) 1-2 to take down a Light frame. Also this is not planetside2. If you want that SLow a* swapping speed my friend, then PLAY PLANET SIDE. except its not! slow swapping speed. want a cloak then NO CQC PRIMARY WEAPON. want a primary weapon then NO CLOAK versus CCP hey lets give them scannerinas YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED balanced ???....lol. now lets give them a CQC PRIMARY WEAPON and get a CLOAK balanced ???....lol just did a match and folks were just camping letters...lol. the camping casuals from other "shooters" are invadeing Dust. I was saying i used SG to people off, i usually main SMG's (ISHI). So it wouldnt affect me if they removed the ''L'' slot. But i think its selfish and not possitive for the scout role. Again, cloaked enemies are not invisible**. its trully easy to see them.(SPECIALLY while moving i mean c'mon...) I truly fail to see the problem, i;ve gotten near a letter and before even taking it, i just spin around and see 2-3 cloaked dudes standing still. LOL. i mean the problem is lack of awerness from players not that cloaks are OP. People are just too lazy and dont want to check areas before proceeding... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029