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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2014.04.01 00:24:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:CCP seems to think that 0.2 m/sec faster speed gives someone an advantage. For example minmatar commando gets 0.2 m/sec faster speed than the caldary or gallante. Or the minmatar assault is 0.3 m/sec faster the caldary or gallante assaults. Did you know that a turtle moves faster than 0.2 m/ sec, seriously. Look it up! That is the "speed" advantage that the minmatar gets! Just putting it in perspective ...
It might be miniscule for you but this is the reason I do not run complex armor plates. With 2 enhanced plates My Gallente runs at 4.7 meters this is just like running through a field of pancake syrup. That tiny... miniscule... 0.3 m/s. BUT hey if 0.2m/s isn't good enough for you my Gallente suits would sure love a piece.
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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2014.04.01 00:30:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:The Terminator T-1000 wrote:CCP seems to think that 0.2 m/sec faster speed gives someone an advantage. For example minmatar commando gets 0.2 m/sec faster speed than the caldary or gallante. Or the minmatar assault is 0.3 m/sec faster the caldary or gallante assaults. Did you know that a turtle moves faster than 0.2 m/ sec, seriously. Look it up! That is the "speed" advantage that the minmatar gets! Just putting it in perspective ... It might be miniscule for you but this is the reason I do not run complex armor plates. With 2 enhanced plates My Gallente runs at 4.7 meters this is just like running through a field of pancake syrup. That tiny... miniscule... 0.3 m/s. BUT hey if 0.2m/s isn't good enough for you my Gallente suits would sure love a piece. That's also a difference of like 60 armor hp.... the difference between ehp on minnies and on other suits is much greater than that.
The point is you undervalue the speed difference specially in a game so dependant on speed yet punishes armor so much. The HP difference is pretty insignificant if you can learn to appreciate how much of an advantage your speed has. Specially when you can equip better armor than a Gallente while greatly minimizing speed losses.
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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2014.04.01 00:43:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:The Terminator T-1000 wrote:CCP seems to think that 0.2 m/sec faster speed gives someone an advantage. For example minmatar commando gets 0.2 m/sec faster speed than the caldary or gallante. Or the minmatar assault is 0.3 m/sec faster the caldary or gallante assaults. Did you know that a turtle moves faster than 0.2 m/ sec, seriously. Look it up! That is the "speed" advantage that the minmatar gets! Just putting it in perspective ... It might be miniscule for you but this is the reason I do not run complex armor plates. With 2 enhanced plates My Gallente runs at 4.7 meters this is just like running through a field of pancake syrup. That tiny... miniscule... 0.3 m/s. BUT hey if 0.2m/s isn't good enough for you my Gallente suits would sure love a piece. That's also a difference of like 60 armor hp.... the difference between ehp on minnies and on other suits is much greater than that. The point is you undervalue the speed difference specially in a game so dependant on speed yet punishes armor so much. The HP difference is pretty insignificant if you can learn to appreciate how much of an advantage your speed has. Specially when you can equip better armor than a Gallente while greatly minimizing speed losses. You go run minnie assault for 5 months then we will talk about its speed benefits. There is a large difference between .3 m/s at the cost of 60 hp and .3 m/s at the cost of 100-200 ehp.
What about minnie scout with nova knives armor tanked and side armdamage modifiers?
Going from a Gallente logi to minnie scout there is a huge speed difference specially running both completely decked in armor.
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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2014.04.01 01:16:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:What about minnie scout with nova knives armor tanked and side armdamage modifiers?
Going from a Gallente logi to minnie scout there is a huge speed difference specially running both completely decked in armor. What about them? Did you know there is a large difference between amarr heavies and minmitar assault speeds? Why are you cross comparing different classes of suits? None of the suits are balanced the same across the board. Minnie Scouts and Minnie logis are fine in their classes, but they aren't kitted out like the heavies and assault classes. We discussed the assault and heavy variants specifically because those are the under performing ones. The only reason I mentioned gallente scouts and minnie assaults was because the gallente scouts currently out perform them in every way. Gallente Logi (Tanky support) and minnie scout (Ninja suit) aren't even comparable as far as what the suit is trying to be, while minnie assault (Tanky speed suit) and gallente scout (tanky speed suit) are comparable.
But you say the speed difference is negligible and it is not. You agree that there should be a speed difference between tiers and this is correct. But speed is an extremely major factor in this game and that alight speed advantage you have as a minmatar is huge when used correctly. You really undervalue how much of a difference it makes in this game, specially when hit detection sucks and you can strafe faster than a person can move his thumb.
Also do you really think a Minmatar assault should be as fast as a Gallente scout? If that is the case then sacrifice your tank for equal speed to the Gal scout. You can't have your cake and eat it to.
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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2014.04.01 01:43:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:
No I don't think you understand. That .3 m/s difference on for example a Gallente proto assault vs. a minnie proto assault is a difference of around 400 ehp. That's almost double the total ehp. It's not an issue of is speed useful, it's an issue of how much speed is useful. In the case of minnie heavies and minnie assaults their speed boost has them underperforming well below other racial suits of the same class. And especially currently in the case of minnie assaults and gallente scouts, the gallente scouts are much faster, have lower scan profile, and have more e/hp and get one more equipment slot. gallente scouts are better in every stat, including speed.
Is it really a 400 EHP difference for .3 m/s?
Assault GK.0 Dual tanked with enhanced armor plates
4.7 M/s
872.3 EHP
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/2812
Assault MK.0 Dual tanked with enhanced armor plates
4.99 M/s (0.29 M/s difference)
961.25 EHP
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/2902
With an armor repairer for the MK.0
5.14 M/s
840.25 EHP
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/2904
Scout GK.0 (which is apparently better than the MK.0) dual tanked with enhanced armor plates
4.97 m/s
758.2 EHP
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/2903
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