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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.31 16:56:00 -
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I am not talking about any possible balance issue with Cloak or the Scout itself. I am merely talking about the bonus and the incredible unfairness it has to people that want to try it out. Please do not devolve this thread into Scout balance discussion.
So Cloaks and Scout changes are out. Cloaks are obviously meant to be used by Scouts. The incredibly high CPU/PG requirements are offset by the 15% reduction in fitting per level of Scout. Per level of Scout you save:
Basic Cloak: 24 CPU, 5.25 PG
Advanced Cloak: 34.65, 6.9 PG
Prototype Cloak: 49.5 CPU, 10.5 PG
Going with my love of the Caldari:
Basic: 174 / 33
Advanced: 224 / 46
Prototype: 348 / 66
So a level 1 Caldari Scout with a Basic Cloak burns 147.9 / 28.05. This means that a base Caldari Scout only has 26.1 / 4.95 free space. That is hardly enough to fit a basic weapon, let alone anything else. At level 5 Caldari Scout, the basic suit would have 130.25 / 24.75 free. It becomes way too prohibitive to try out a Cloak with a fit to see if you actually want to throw points into it to do it well. No other suit basically states "you must be this tall to ride the roller-coaster." If I have a Commando at rank 1, it still works like a Commando at rank 5 just not as well as a rank 5 Commando. In the case of a Scout, it means that you can actually fit it with modules. Not higher level modules, mind you; just to not have stuff be utterly empty.
My suggestion is to change the blanket Scout bonus: "10%% reduction in Cloak CPU/PG fitting cost" but set a Role Bonus for Scouts and Light Frames to add 25% to that reduction. This means instead of 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 reduction it would be 35, 45, 55, 65, 75. This will let people test the waters far easier if they want to be a Scout before throwing in points.
At the moment, it costs 223,880 SP to get X Light Frame to 3 and then X Scout to 1. This is the lowest level to be able to test a Scout + Cloak combo. AUR doesn't help because the fitting requirements of the Cloak. If a 25% base was added to Light Frames and Scouts, you could at least try it before investing nearly a week's worth of SP. It also means that you can help the lower SP Scouts to be able to be a Scout without making the higher SP Scouts more powerful.
Comments and thoughts in regards to the suggestion?
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
879
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:29:00 -
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Yes, this would allow you to make a more informed decision.
Unfortunantly I feel it's the only thing keeping some of the fotm players from jumping on the bandwagon. It's kina like rewarding players for being invested in scouts. The scout class is hard and it's no secret that the cloak is making that all the easier but it's insulting to be able to instantly detect a "fake" scout because they have yet to acquire the scout mindset needed to play effectively. Those scouts get a false sense of security when they don the cloak and that just causes them to die in the open, get frustrated, and quit.
I feel if you really wanna be a scout you should try to be one without the cloak. This allows you to quickly develop scout tactics which will keep you alive when you cloak fails you. There have been times when my cloak was below the 50% mark and I couldn't cloak up. I still was able to out maneuver my attacker and soon enough I was the one after him!
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P.S: No to the idea of giving the non specialized light fits a cloak bonus. Seeing players with those suits just really irk me. Either fit a scout or don't but don't insult me by coming at me in on one of those trash bags.
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Dustbunny Durrr
ReD or DeaD
177
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:35:00 -
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I have the gallente scout blueprint suit (dragonfly?) and honestly, all I can fit is a cloak (basic), a shotgun (basic), a CPU mod, and a cardiac regulator (basic) to make the fit work. It feels VERY limitting, but honestly, due to the OP of the cloak, its more than enough most of the time. Try a very basic suit, and you'll come to the same conclusion. If need be, use the low slot on the basic cal scout suit to help with fittings rather than extra armour/speed/rep. |
demens grimwulff
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.03.31 21:50:00 -
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I agree 100%... Very well thought out
As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
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