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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4729	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:44:00 - [1] - Quote Like I said the other day, shield tanks are pretty much where they should be. Armour tanks with reppers are OP, because armour reppers needed a nerf MORE than hardeners did, and never got one.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4732	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:25:00 - [2] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Judge is coming after your rep stacking. People like you wont be happy until we are all runing the same fit and no variety is allowed Not really a sandbox anymore when my sand is being chucked out of the box and im being told that i should run my vehicles this way and play with x playstyle Pretty sure he's going after the rep stacking because at the moment, that's looking like it will quickly turn into the only viable fit and running anything else won't be an option. Reducing the viability of the most OP think about the current state of tanking is the exact opposite of trying to reduce variety in fittings.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4734	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:53:00 - [3] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Judge is coming after your rep stacking. Judge, 90% of the time I agree with what you say and whatever points you make, but please.. please.. Armor Repper stacking has SO many hard counters. It's the most balanced fit there's ever been for tanks. Which has faster regen? A repper-stacked armour tank, or a shield tank? Which gets interrupted by damage? They're not easier to counter than shield tanks. Shields are meant to have the advantage in passive regen. Instead, armour can achieve a larger advantage in this area very easily. After the hardener nerf, repper stacking is OP in comparison with hardener stacking. When people are arguing (legitimately) that hardeners are now balanced, that means reppers are currently OP. Also, shield tanks are in a good place now. Good players can use them effectively while good AV players and other tanks can take them down reliably. Armour tanks can still be OP against infantry AV weapons, which I'd say probably isn't working as intended.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4738	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:14:00 - [4] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Shield tanks are not in a good place now. They are much worse now than before the nerf. Now my millions of SP don't count for jack **** when a 0 SP Sica can melt through my complex hardener while I can't do anything to save myself other than hope that I can run and survive a few more shots. Before I'd be able to outlast hardeners and then pop them in a single volley, but now I can't do that when my hardener doesn't allow me to absorb all of that damage while I attempt to outlast their hardener. Even my own personal skills don't account to anything anymore because of the hardener nerf. I found that my Sica was able to do that to Gunnlogis easily enough before the hardener nerf. Before 1.8, Militia tanks were OP. After the nerf, they are no more OP than they already were. Shield tanks in general - NOT the balance between MLT and STD - are closer to working how they should be now than they were before the nerf. I haven't seen a good reason to change that opinion. Armour tanks were no more OP than shield tanks before the hardener nerf, but they had more variety in how they could be OP because of armour reppers allowing them to get higher passive rep than the tank which is MEANT to have the better HP regen options. Now, they've fixed the problem which both types of tank shared, but not the problem which was exclusive to armour tanks.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4739	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:44:00 - [5] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Judge is coming after your rep stacking. People like you wont be happy until we are all runing the same fit and no variety is allowed Not really a sandbox anymore when my sand is being chucked out of the box and im being told that i should run my vehicles this way and play with x playstyle Pretty sure he's going after the rep stacking because at the moment, that's looking like it will quickly turn into the only viable fit and running anything else won't be an option. Reducing the viability of the most OP think about the current state of tanking is the exact opposite of trying to reduce variety in fittings. Because one person that wants railguns removed should have sole authority on how vehicles may be fit. I'm not saying he's right all the time, or even that he's 100% right on this point. Just explaining that there's logic behind this particular concern. Also, it's not like there's anyone who respects your opinion any more than Judge's.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4740	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:48:00 - [6] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Let's see. Armor HAV has active repair modules? Nope. Armor HAV has passive repair modules? Yes. Armor HAV has built-in repairs? Nope. Shield HAV has active repair modules? Yes. Shield HAV has passive repair modules? Nope. Shield HAV has built-in repairs? Yes. So you are telling me that since Shield HAV has both built-in repairs and active repair modules and Armor HAV has only passive repair modules, Shield tanks should excell at passive repairs? Lol. What armour tanks should (logically) be: -High HP. (check) -Slow but constant regen. -Decent hardening. What shield tanks should be: -Lower HP. (check) -Fast regen, but interruptible. -Better hardening. What we ACTUALLY have is a situation where the tank with better HP ALSO gets better self-repair options. The active module for shield regen doesn't work half the time, so that argument negates itself. Also, unlike shields, the passive regen on armour doesn't get interrupted by damage, making the higher regen rate even more of an advantage. Another possible solution would be to reverse the module situation, making armour rely entirely on active repair with no passive regen options, and having shield modules to buff passive regen without any active shield recovery option. This would also serve to make a high regen rate on armour viable, purely because it comes with those waves of opportunity CCP wanted so badly.

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