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bear90211 Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 186	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:39:00 - [1] - Quote this patch has been the most balanced amongst the other one in the past 17 month Ive been here, many heavies,logis, and scouts. tanks and dropships. for the weapons it is greaty mixed, not just 20 KO's in a row with a RR then one with a CR in the killfeed. godjob ccp! Heavies are still squishy to my AR, just 5 rounds into them extra ;D hmm, I want taco's...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 859	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:42:00 - [2] - Quote bear90211 wrote: this patch has been the most balanced amongst the other one in the past 17 month Ive been here, many heavies,logis, and scouts. tanks and dropships. for the weapons it is greaty mixed, not just 20 KO's in a row with a RR then one with a CR in the killfeed. godjob ccp! I think 1.8 is way more balanced then 1.7. You are right we see more variety in suits and weapons this is a really good thing.
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castba Penguin's March 361	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:43:00 - [4] - Quote Seconded... Except 13 months for me.
Boot Booter Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 359	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:53:00 - [5] - Quote Hmm I wonder why you see variety in suits. That's weird. It's not balanced at all. The weapons are OK I guess but as an assault there's nothing I can do anymore.. Well except die. If you stop for a few seconds to unload the 4 clips it takes to kill a heavy you get shot it the back. Scouts have taken the assault role and heavies are just waddling around spraying other heavies. As much as I hated 1.7 I think I'm starting to dislike 1.8 more.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 859	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:03:00 - [6] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Hmm I wonder why you see variety in suits. That's weird. It's not balanced at all. The weapons are OK I guess but as an assault there's nothing I can do anymore.. Well except die. If you stop for a few seconds to unload the 4 clips it takes to kill a heavy you get shot it the back. Scouts have taken the assault role and heavies are just waddling around spraying other heavies. As much as I hated 1.7 I think I'm starting to dislike 1.8 more. I encounter nearly every match: Lots oh heavies: both commandos and sentinals Still surprisingly many logis and assault logis Many scouts. Some assaults yes they are still there mostly caldari and minmatar so far. So I think this is quite a lot of variety. It could be more but its still better then before...the same is true for weapons. The balance is not perfect (ok we have a long way to go) but it's better then before.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1513	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:22:00 - [7] - Quote bear90211 wrote: this patch has been the most balanced amongst the other one in the past 17 month Ive been here, many heavies,logis, and scouts. tanks and dropships. for the weapons it is greaty mixed, not just 20 KO's in a row with a RR then one with a CR in the killfeed. godjob ccp! No. Nel. Nyet! Ni madres!! This patch is the most unbalanced that I have seen since the start of server testing before the closed beta was opened. All you need is a cloak and a shotgun...lol. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2239	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:25:00 - [8] - Quote More or less it's more balanced than 1.7 , but really, what is that really saying? One change I'd like to see as a cloak lover myself is an increased shimmer while sprinting, and decreased shimmer while walking. There will always bee things unbalanced, especially when we only just got all racial suits. Now we get to start rebalancing all over again! YAY!
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1513	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:39:00 - [9] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: More or less it's more balanced than 1.7 , but really, what is that really saying? One change I'd like to see as a cloak lover myself is an increased shimmer while sprinting, and decreased shimmer while walking. There will always bee things unbalanced, especially when we only just got all racial suits. Now we get to start rebalancing all over again! YAY! Sorry bud gotta disagree with ya. 1.8 we have aim assist for those who can not aim PLUS scanners PLUS ezmode cloaks 1.7 we just had aim assist PLUS scanners. before that we just had to deal with scrubby aim assist. Every patch gets more casual and less skill balanced. It keeps getting worse from my point of view. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 505	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:41:00 - [10] - Quote Most balanced it's been in a very long time! But is the game balanced, no. CCP have done a good job in doing what the have in the last patch though. And now more things are hot fixable stuff should only get better! Gÿé Syeven 514 Application for CPM1

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3854	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:45:00 - [11] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Hmm I wonder why you see variety in suits. That's weird. It's not balanced at all. The weapons are OK I guess but as an assault there's nothing I can do anymore.. Well except die. If you stop for a few seconds to unload the 4 clips it takes to kill a heavy you get shot it the back. Scouts have taken the assault role and heavies are just waddling around spraying other heavies. As much as I hated 1.7 I think I'm starting to dislike 1.8 more. If people keep viewing it like you do, then this game will never evolve to the hectic battlefield that CCP has envisioned. Because trust me, its going to get worst. There's already talks about a web stasis that slows you down. It is quite known that CCP wants to enhance the e-war of Dust. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 690	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:57:00 - [12] - Quote bear90211 wrote: this patch has been the most balanced amongst the other one in the past 17 month Ive been here, many heavies,logis, and scouts. tanks and dropships. for the weapons it is greaty mixed, not just 20 KO's in a row with a RR then one with a CR in the killfeed. godjob ccp! I am not sure the game was really in need of balance. Outside vehicles taking over games, its usually the top 4-5 corps or other corps squad syncing and stomping everyone no matter what you try. The rest are usually pretty good games. Introducing new features thoughis less of a game balance issue and more of a player prefference imo. Good marketing and proucts bring those 2 together. they did a great job in 1.8. Ill give them credit. Lol, outside tank spam the only thing I really hated was drop uplinks in ambush. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Cinnamon267 123	Posted - 2014.03.31 09:00:00 - [13] - Quote Pretty balanced, so far. I'm surprised how balanced the cloak is. I can cause some damage with it, but I also have 230 shields and 87 armour. I r the squishy. I can't last long against anything. Not even a scout with a Scrambler Pistol. Which is kinda heart breaking. The Magsec and Bolt pistol are pretty good. I'm come to like the Bolt pistol and have seen how useless the Ion pistol is. I was the opposite initially. Wasted SP there :(
Blackcell SAH Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 38	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:36:00 - [14] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Hmm I wonder why you see variety in suits. That's weird. It's not balanced at all. The weapons are OK I guess but as an assault there's nothing I can do anymore.. Well except die. If you stop for a few seconds to unload the 4 clips it takes to kill a heavy you get shot it the back. Scouts have taken the assault role and heavies are just waddling around spraying other heavies. As much as I hated 1.7 I think I'm starting to dislike 1.8 more. Sadly I have to agree with you. I was a gallente proto assault suit carrying a Duvolle with 5 ' s in all the AR tree except pg optimization which was 4. My normal PC suit can't even stand against most SCOUTS now in pub matches unless I stay within 2 steps of a repairer. I do better running the neo advanced commando minmitar with an assault combat rifle. To me that is idiotic. But whatever, the two options are put up with it or find a new game, which is sad. Unfortunately CCP's idea of an upgrade called 1.8 has achieved not only racial parity, but perceived parity. Either people hate it or love it. Sounds an awful lot like catering to only one segment of the user base. ...just haven't been able to put my finger on which it is.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 405	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:43:00 - [15] - Quote bear90211 wrote: this patch has been the most balanced amongst the other one in the past 17 month Ive been here, many heavies,logis, and scouts. tanks and dropships. for the weapons it is greaty mixed, not just 20 KO's in a row with a RR then one with a CR in the killfeed. godjob ccp! Vehicles and AV seem balanced. Weapons seem balanced. Other than that we traded the FOTY slayerlogi for the FOTM slayerscout. Not that I'm complaining, I could careless. I do have to say assaults got the short straw this time. My scout suit runs almost as much HP as them, runs faster, can cloak, has two equipment slots and far better racial bonus than the assault equivalent.
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:55:00 - [16] - Quote Blackcell SAH wrote: Unfortunately CCP's idea of an upgrade called 1.8 has achieved not only racial parity, but perceived parity. Either people hate it or love it. Sounds an awful lot like catering to only one segment of the user base. ...just haven't been able to put my finger on which it is. I think you could be right - I hope this new, much harder version doesn't put off more new players. I want DUST to survive because I love it but I know most New Players don't have the patience to get killed constantly before they get good enough to even slightly fight back. It's a problem - but then maybe the game has enough people at proto level and nobody cares?? GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 66	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:59:00 - [17] - Quote Balanced? not necessarily Fun? I think so Lots more variety? yes. Liking the eventual direction change we have all waited for a long time for, but understand there will still be refining to be done moving forwards, like always? yes. Part time Logi, Full time heavy.
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 100	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:06:00 - [18] - Quote Id vote 1.8 is better balanced than 1.7 as I have seen a much larger variety of things people run, but theres still work needed on assault suits especially. For the cloak, id say its decently balanced but Id definitely like to see a 1-2 second decloak time before equipment can be used and weapons can be fired. Right now you can insta switch and fire, giving your target absolutely no way to fight back in time. Good example to look at would be the spy from TF2. That is a balanced cloak. This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
shadow drake35 the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 105	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:21:00 - [19] - Quote yes now all they need to focus on is fixing fatal errors, bugs, glitches, and all that MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
Mors The Butcher Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 17	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:37:00 - [20] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: yes now all they need to focus on is fixing fatal errors, bugs, glitches, and all that they needed to do that in the first place quit giving us new stuff and fix the bugs its more important I'M SORRY..... I'M SORRY FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO YOU... ....AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU

shadow drake35 the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 105	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:40:00 - [21] - Quote Mors The Butcher wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: yes now all they need to focus on is fixing fatal errors, bugs, glitches, and all that they needed to do that in the first place quit giving us new stuff and fix the bugs its more important new content is ok now that we got it i love 1.8 but yes fixes are very needed now MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 338	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:54:00 - [22] - Quote This patch is awesome. More suits and weapons on the battle field, less issues from tanks, murder taxis and heavy lav dbags thanks to my cloak. Rail turret range reduced so you can actually fly a drop ship now. Most of the whiners with this patch are just bad players. They don't realize 9/10 times when they die to a scout, that scout would have still killed them without a cloak. You never see good scouts, you just get killed from behind, deal with it. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 63	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:58:00 - [23] - Quote I think 1.8 is balanced but most matches simply devolve into scout/heavy spam. I'm also fking tired of being called a fotm scout. I ran THE scout in beta, minja in uprising and now Amarr scout, I'm also not on the scout registration yet I ran scout before 3 quartets of the people on that list even played dust lol. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 94	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:19:00 - [24] - Quote i like 1.8 and i know it needs fixing but not where these scrub ass players might think. i dont use cloak except on my AV fit, because as stated a good scout will kill you anyway now they mad because they say oh i did not see him because i was sprinting around trying to play COD style. ttk got raised because of QQ and people still die fairly quick so they cry more when it's really the way they play ( but that can't be true right ), vehicles are two per ambush witch makes it fun again without having to play against 6 tank scubs at a time,and the vehicle changes have brought out the scrub tankers/ADS woes because the are not invincible or have to play tactically, snipers are a little hurrt but they can still get kills,and tanked scouts still die ( i know they are a little annoying but not immortal,and cloak shotty scouts overrated i will say it again i think most people probably suck at shooters and just want a easy game and i cant relate to ya'll on that level. i played dust the day it became available on the p.s store and i loved it ever since,why you ask well my friend because i know how to play FPS's adapt or give me your isk and biomass yourself. DONT TALK ABOUT IT BE ABOUT IT this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!
poison Diego NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 374	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:24:00 - [25] - Quote I think this was a well balanced patch but I think the assault class should get a small buff. Why not just put cloaks on ADSs, Forgeguns on scouts and make heavies only be able to use sidearms?
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4584	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:26:00 - [26] - Quote I've played since skirmish 1.0 days. This is the most balanced dust has ever been. The only thing not on the killfeed is the flaylock. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2133	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:33:00 - [27] - Quote I'd say the game currently has so many things that are potentially OP, with mostly all of them able to kill each other, that it's creating a weird sort of balance. Scouts OP Heavies OP Tanks OP Assault Dropships OP LogisGÇª not OP any more, but still essential and seen in numbers on the field. Having that many options that feel stupidly powerful gives you a lot of variety on the field. Really, it's just the poor, poor Assaults who are screwed over. Some weapons still suck too much balls to use. But in general, I'd say 1.8 is in a good state. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Boot Booter Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:40:00 - [28] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Hmm I wonder why you see variety in suits. That's weird. It's not balanced at all. The weapons are OK I guess but as an assault there's nothing I can do anymore.. Well except die. If you stop for a few seconds to unload the 4 clips it takes to kill a heavy you get shot it the back. Scouts have taken the assault role and heavies are just waddling around spraying other heavies. As much as I hated 1.7 I think I'm starting to dislike 1.8 more. If people keep viewing it like you do, then this game will never evolve to the hectic battlefield that CCP has envisioned. Because trust me, its going to get worst. There's already talks about a web stasis that slows you down. It is quite known that CCP wants to enhance the e-war of Dust. I want it to be a hectic battlefield too.. But what really needs to happen is more players in the field not more crazy ways to kill people 1v1. As far as 1.8 goes, it's not hectic at all. Half of the players are invisible sneaking about. I usually get shotguned before I get a hectic exciting feeling. Also, I love the e-war stuff but right now it's more like ez-war. I am better off with a STD scout than a proto assault. If they want to add creative features they have to also make sure they are not OP. The cloak is close but it needs a delay before you can shoot, maybe just 1 sec. Also I think it recharges a bit too fast, you can practically stay cloaked all the time.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 381	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:46:00 - [29] - Quote I've liked 1.8 more than 1.7 but I have noticed that in Dom matches one team doesn't even try for the objective in many matches. I also see lots of 1-13 games so although I am not feeling it as much I am thinking it is he'll for new players. Invisible scouts with OHK's? How can that be a good NPE? Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 381	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:51:00 - [30] - Quote Scanners may have made me a ballerina with all the twirling I did but cloaked scouts make me look like an ice skater doing their spins. I'm constantly spinning around trying to cover my back. Because, that's why.



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