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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
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Posted - 2014.03.30 22:24:00 -
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PC isn't necessarily broken, district locking has been "fixed"
The problem is we need larger clone packs to attack.
For a new corp using clone packs there are many problems to get a district:
120 vs 300
120 vs 450
That's usually the standard for the game.
Keep in mind that the current owners have nearly all the districts, a lot of isk, get to set their timers, and can always attack with clones from a district, The odds are too greatly stacked in the defenders favor. The odds of taking a district with merely a clone pack are very very low.
What I propose?
200 Clones.
Ideally I would want for EVE players to be allowed to purchase clones, put them in a warbarge, and assault with 600 clones :P but that's a longer way off.
200 vs 300
200 vs 400
That seems a bit more fair
I know that some of the CPM is already pushing for this subject, so I ask that CCP listen to them, and the players, this is pretty essential for others to "rise up".
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
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Al the destroyer
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
84
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Posted - 2014.03.30 23:40:00 -
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This is a great idea +1
Want some? Get some!
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1321
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Posted - 2014.03.30 23:54:00 -
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I would say that clone packs should be 150 and 200. However, to keep the 200 pack from being overly abused, it should have a premium to its price that is beyond the simple biomass value of the clones. Remember that people can drop clone packs on their own districts as a way of reinforcing them.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
219
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Posted - 2014.03.31 06:32:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:I would say that clone packs should be 150 and 200. However, to keep the 200 pack from being overly abused, it should have a premium to its price that is beyond the simple biomass value of the clones. Remember that people can drop clone packs on their own districts as a way of reinforcing them.
That's a really good point Canari! Good to know that candidates are in favor of this as well
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1808
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Posted - 2014.03.31 06:34:00 -
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Clone packs are indeed effectively worthless in PC. But I don't think that moving around numbers again will help much. Realistically, they need to wholly overhaul PC. Clone pack tweaks won't do the job anymore.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
219
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Posted - 2014.03.31 06:48:00 -
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We had some pretty close matches on our assault on Hrober, and we had some nice fights in the sky too. Some would argue we never stood a chance, but hey when you have 300 clones and the opposing team has 120, I think we did good
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1348
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:16:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Clone packs are indeed effectively worthless in PC. But I don't think that moving around numbers again will help much. Realistically, they need to wholly overhaul PC. Clone pack tweaks won't do the job anymore.
It could change completely with 2.0 but we have not had confirmation on when exactly that is coming so we have to base our thoughts on what we have in front of us right now. Also, even if 2.0 hits, corps that do not hold districts will still need a way to gain clones to attack landholders.
The issue will continue to be how you ensure that acquiring clones does not become a better alternative to moving clones from an established district.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Andres510
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Caps and Mercs
53
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:37:00 -
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+1 I'm with you
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
103
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Posted - 2014.03.31 22:12:00 -
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yes 200 till eve can transport our clones . |
dudeee derp
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
0
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Posted - 2014.04.01 03:29:00 -
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I agree |
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poca13
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Caps and Mercs
34
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:31:00 -
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+1 I agree.
"CEO of Latinos Killers Corp "
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
670
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:54:00 -
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150 should be good enough. A good team can beat another good team with 150 clones if they play it right.
Cost should be increased to ~50 million for the 150 clone pack.
200 clone packs should not be implemented except at great cost to their users. Districts only generate 80 clones a day. If a 200 clone pack was to be implemented it should cost no less than 80 million. |
RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
513
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:08:00 -
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+1 Agreed!
We can pickle that.
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
515
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:10:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:150 should be good enough. A good team can beat another good team with 150 clones if they play it right.
Cost should be increased to ~50 million for the 150 clone pack.
200 clone packs should not be implemented except at great cost to their users. Districts only generate 80 clones a day. If a 200 clone pack was to be implemented it should cost no less than 80 million.
1/10
Troll harder.
We can pickle that.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1361
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Posted - 2014.04.01 20:20:00 -
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RemingtonBeaver wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:150 should be good enough. A good team can beat another good team with 150 clones if they play it right.
Cost should be increased to ~50 million for the 150 clone pack.
200 clone packs should not be implemented except at great cost to their users. Districts only generate 80 clones a day. If a 200 clone pack was to be implemented it should cost no less than 80 million. 1/10 Troll harder.
Not exactly sure where you see a troll there. It is possible to achieve a victory (not saying flip a district in one go) with a 150 clone pack. And he even said that he agrees with having a 200 pack at a greater expense should a corp deem it logical to use more.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1834
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Posted - 2014.04.02 06:54:00 -
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It would certainly change things up a bit. I do agree however that the larger clone pack should be more ISK/clone than the smaller packs so that you pay a premium for that extra bang.
However PC really needs a complete overhaul, and no single change is going to 'fix' it.
Pokey Dravon for CPM1
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Wolfica
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
530
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Posted - 2014.04.05 04:26:00 -
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when FA sees 120 clones at the start of the battle we just go for the cloning. TBH ive only seen a handful of matches in the past 4 months where both teams haven't lost less then 120 clones. when we fought AE or NF/DNS both sides lost around 150 clones. i never understood the number of clones. i have always liked the idea of selling clones individually for your clone pack and the more you purchased the cheaper they got... until a player ran market comes out.
I reject you reality and substitute my own.
Fatal Absolution Director.
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
118
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Posted - 2014.04.08 11:26:00 -
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just want to see a eve clone ship roll up with 1000 clones and be able to hit a planets as many times as a corp want in 48 hrs lol up to the max 400 on 400 |
DaNizzle4shizle
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
757
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:39:00 -
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this is a really re tarded idea. it should be the max of 150 clones per pack. and i hope you know each clone costs isk. the price of 120 clones for 36 mill seems fair. if you raise the clone count, raise the isk cost.
why you always be locking meh thread! µµ(Ò_Ó)µµ
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
118
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Posted - 2014.04.08 17:51:00 -
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what ever lol change is to come adapt or get the fk out of the way |
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2557
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:15:00 -
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DaNizzle4shizle wrote:this is a really re tarded idea. it should be the max of 150 clones per pack. and i hope you know each clone costs isk. the price of 120 clones for 36 mill seems fair. if you raise the clone count, raise the isk cost.
How many clone Pack Attacks have you won vs Full A-Teams?
How to Leave PC
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General John Ripper
19485
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:48:00 -
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Donating my like count to this cause. + 19k votes.
My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 cpm petition
Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
302
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:48:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:DaNizzle4shizle wrote:this is a really re tarded idea. it should be the max of 150 clones per pack. and i hope you know each clone costs isk. the price of 120 clones for 36 mill seems fair. if you raise the clone count, raise the isk cost. How many clone Pack Attacks have you won vs Full A-Teams?
None, I would wager
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
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Mr Ruckus
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
12
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Posted - 2014.04.13 21:43:00 -
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Spartacus Dust wrote:PC isn't necessarily broken, district locking has been "fixed"
The problem is we need larger clone packs to attack.
For a new corp using clone packs there are many problems to get a district:
120 vs 300
120 vs 450
That's usually the standard for the game.
Keep in mind that the current owners have nearly all the districts, a lot of isk, get to set their timers, and can always attack with clones from a district, The odds are too greatly stacked in the defenders favor. The odds of taking a district with merely a clone pack are very very low.
What I propose?
200 Clones.
Ideally I would want for EVE players to be allowed to purchase clones, put them in a warbarge, and assault with 600 clones :P but that's a longer way off.
200 vs 300
200 vs 400
That seems a bit more fair
I know that some of the CPM is already pushing for this subject, so I ask that CCP listen to them, and the players, this is pretty essential for others to "rise up".
Agreed! +1
Hotfix!
Director and PC Coordinator of NECROM0NGERS.
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Fire2MyBlunt
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
181
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Posted - 2014.04.13 23:30:00 -
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Think this idea is great. +1 200 clones are idealistic.
Also in favor of eve side being more interacted with dust. For example x corporation has a pilot in space & the x pilots side wins. The pilot should receive a large mission payout for the orbitals he dropped that helped win the game for the dust side.
Proud member and Director of The Phoenix Federation
I don't go by chubby.. They call me the Hulk around here.
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I do SUCK
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
79
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Posted - 2014.04.13 23:52:00 -
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+1 and signed
POW U DEAD SUCKA=ƒö½ Proceeds to Tbag in Ammar Scout Suit =ƒù+=ƒÆÇ
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MythTanker
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
71
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Posted - 2014.04.13 23:59:00 -
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+1 Its a good start at balancing PC
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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Mrgugernaut
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
0
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:20:00 -
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Yes |
emtbraincase
The Phoenix Federation
119
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:48:00 -
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+1 signed |
james jared
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
16
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:00:00 -
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+1 |
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ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
81
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Posted - 2014.04.15 21:13:00 -
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+1
"You will never see me coming, as that of a shadow, invisible to your scanner and your eyes. Prepare your anus."
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Umbris Venator
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
0
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:28:00 -
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+1 signed. Larger clone packs are a must if any competition is to be had attacking overpowered corporations. Not that it would tip the balance, only tilt it a little. 200clone packs are good by me. |
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