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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.31 00:37:00 -
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An excerpt from my laz0r rifle guide (soonGäó)
John Demonsbane wrote:Laser rifle techniques for fun and profit
-snip-
More importantly, however, the key thing to know about the laz0r, and what makes it unique, is that it does more damage the longer you hold the trigger. (as the in-game hint says, GÇ£Continuous fire increases damage output.GÇ¥)
Things that do not increase damage include: 1) The amount of heat on the heat gauge. 2) The amount of time you keep the beam on your target. These are both common misconceptions. It bears repeating: Nothing besides holding the trigger down as long as possible will increase your damage output. Always fire with the heat gauge at zero, and donGÇÖt let go until you are thisclose to overheating!
What this means in practice is that you actually do not want to hit your target right away (unless your primary goal is suppressive fire). If you do, you will not be putting out enough damage and they will be able to get into cover before you can finish them off.
So, what you need to do is intentionally miss until you are maybe 1/3-1/2 way up the heat gauge before you actually hit your target (depending on how many targets you have). This is commonly known as "pre-heating."
The classic method of pre-heating is to pick an inanimate object like a nearby box or rock, and fire at it until you reach the desired level of "heat" and then sweep off the object and onto your target (don't let go of the trigger!). Once you reach the upper portions of the heat gauge, you will be putting out enough damage that you can quickly kill multiple targets if your aim is good (especially if they are shield-tanked suits). This is a somewhat vanilla way of using the weapon, but it definitely works: The archetypic "boring but effective" method.
But who wants that?! Believe it or not, how you miss is where a lot of the fun can come from! Here are a few of my favorite techniques:
1) "The derp": AKA "oh noes I sure do suck at dust!". When using this method, you fire sorta near your targets but wave the beam haphazardly all over the place like you have terrible aim or have no idea what you are doing. Once you are preheated, suddenly whip the laz0r beam right on target and melt the enemies face before they know what hit them.
2) "The clothesline": Arguably my favorite, but is very situational. Locate an enemy running perpendicular to your line of sight (or close to it) and basically on level ground with you. Fire the laz0r ahead of them, ideally just at or above head level. Time it right, and they will run straight into your beam at maximum heat, "clotheslining" themselves WWE-style on it. Headshot!
3)"The decoy": If a friendly player is engaging the enemy, fire at them instead. (Warning: NOT intended for use in factional warfare or PC!). You can preheat your beam and hopefully lull your target into a false sense of security thinking their teammate is the one firing the laz0r. Once you are heated up, they will realize the truth after they see your name on the "killed by" screen. - Alternately, if there is a group of targets, fire at the one you would like to scare away (for example, the one who sees you or is shooting at you!) and then finish off the rest once you are heated up.
4)"Death from above": AKA "a bolt from the blue". Shoot into the air well above your target. Once preheated, swing the beam straight down onto their heads and smite them with your purifying light! Can be tough to pull off, but just like the clothesline, very satisfying when you do. Bonus points for the Amarr RP'er who busts out an appropriately haughty one liner about God's wrath at the same time!
Got more? Please share, I'll put them in the final version of the guide!
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.31 00:42:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:An excerpt from my upcoming laz0r rifle guide (soonGäó) John Demonsbane wrote:Laser rifle techniques for fun and profit
-snip-
More importantly, however, the key thing to know about the laz0r, and what makes it unique, is that it does more damage the longer you hold the trigger. (as the in-game hint says, GÇ£Continuous fire increases damage output.GÇ¥)
Things that do not increase damage include: 1) The amount of heat on the heat gauge. 2) The amount of time you keep the beam on your target. These are both common misconceptions. It bears repeating: Nothing besides holding the trigger down as long as possible will increase your damage output. Always fire with the heat gauge at zero, and donGÇÖt let go until you are thisclose to overheating!
What this means in practice is that you actually do not want to hit your target right away (unless your primary goal is suppressive fire). If you do, you will not be putting out enough damage and they will be able to get into cover before you can finish them off.
So, what you need to do is intentionally miss until you are maybe 1/3-1/2 way up the heat gauge before you actually hit your target (depending on how many targets you have). This is commonly known as "pre-heating."
The classic method of pre-heating is to pick an inanimate object like a nearby box or rock, and fire at it until you reach the desired level of "heat" and then sweep off the object and onto your target (don't let go of the trigger!). Once you reach the upper portions of the heat gauge, you will be putting out enough damage that you can quickly kill multiple targets if your aim is good (especially if they are shield-tanked suits). This is a somewhat vanilla way of using the weapon, but it definitely works: The archetypic "boring but effective" method.
But who wants that?! Believe it or not, how you miss is where a lot of the fun can come from! Here are a few of my favorite techniques:
1) "The derp": AKA "oh noes I sure do suck at dust!". When using this method, you fire sorta near your targets but wave the beam haphazardly all over the place like you have terrible aim or have no idea what you are doing. Once you are preheated, suddenly whip the laz0r beam right on target and melt the enemies face before they know what hit them.
2) "The clothesline": Arguably my favorite, but is very situational. Locate an enemy running perpendicular to your line of sight (or close to it) and basically on level ground with you. Fire the laz0r ahead of them, ideally just at or above head level. Time it right, and they will run straight into your beam at maximum heat, "clotheslining" themselves WWE-style on it. Headshot!
3)"The decoy": If a friendly player is engaging the enemy, fire at them instead. (Warning: NOT intended for use in factional warfare or PC!). You can preheat your beam and hopefully lull your target into a false sense of security thinking their teammate is the one firing the laz0r. Once you are heated up, they will realize the truth after they see your name on the "killed by" screen. - Alternately, if there is a group of targets, fire at the one you would like to scare away (for example, the one who sees you or is shooting at you!) and then finish off the rest once you are heated up.
4)"Death from above": AKA "a bolt from the blue". Shoot into the air well above your target. Once preheated, swing the beam straight down onto their heads and smite them with your purifying light! Can be tough to pull off, but just like the clothesline, very satisfying when you do. Bonus points for the Amarr RP'er who busts out an appropriately haughty one liner about God's wrath at the same time!
Got more? Please share, I'll put them in the final version of the guide!
I dont know how I feel about one of the longstanding techniques I use being called "the derp"......
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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Posted - 2014.03.31 00:47:00 -
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Did somebody say... Wyrikomi?
![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9067
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Posted - 2014.03.31 00:54:00 -
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Assault Swarm Launcher wrote:Did somebody say... Wyrikomi? ![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
No Assault Swarm Launcher. You are not powerful enough.
Other tankers like me make jokes about you in the Hangars.....you see you just lack impact....its not that we don't like you but your profile is somewhat lacking....
I mean I understand you are Wyrkomi's little charity case...but seriously don't put yourself on the same level as your cousin the Nanite Injector, he is a true hero.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.03.31 01:47:00 -
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Amarr Sausage fest. Never been a fan..... |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.31 01:50:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Amarr Sausage fest. Never been a fan.....
Get on our level brah.... I'm sorry your people lack the technological capacity to produce fine weapons and armour.... but take solace in your redeeming feature.
We Amarr chose you. You too are chosen children of God, given a higher purpose and raised up from ignorance and sin. While you deny the Immortal Destiny God has set for you now, in time your people's youthful impetuousness shall temper and wisdom will lead you back to the Empire.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.03.31 01:58:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Got more? Please share, I'll put them in the final version of the guide! Find an entrenched enemy position. Get behind a wall. Preheat against the wall. Step out and melt faces.
This is how I learned to Laser people when the weapon was new and I only had enough SP for the Standard model but wanted to counter-Laser Viziam users. It worked nicely against most of them. The advantage here is that the beam isn't shining brightly out while you're preheating, and is therefore much less likely to give away your position until it's too late. |
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:03:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Got more? Please share, I'll put them in the final version of the guide! Find an entrenched enemy position. Get behind a wall. Preheat against the wall. Step out and melt faces. This is how I learned to Laser people when the weapon was new and I only had enough SP for the Standard model but wanted to counter-Laser Viziam users. It worked nicely against most of them. The advantage here is that the beam isn't shining brightly out while you're preheating, and is therefore much less likely to give away your position until it's too late.
Indeed pre-heating has been in rotation for almost a year now.... beyond the obvious techniques of heat management I find more of the Laser's effectiveness in how you position yourself. You can achieve things most people wont think possible at surprising ranges. More than one heavy has died within 40m to my laser, and more than one scout at 120ish m
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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Derek Barnes
0uter.Heaven
455
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:36:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:An excerpt from my upcoming laz0r rifle guide (soonGäó) John Demonsbane wrote:Laser rifle techniques for fun and profit
-snip-
More importantly, however, the key thing to know about the laz0r, and what makes it unique, is that it does more damage the longer you hold the trigger. (as the in-game hint says, GÇ£Continuous fire increases damage output.GÇ¥)
Things that do not increase damage include: 1) The amount of heat on the heat gauge. 2) The amount of time you keep the beam on your target. These are both common misconceptions. It bears repeating: Nothing besides holding the trigger down as long as possible will increase your damage output. Always fire with the heat gauge at zero, and donGÇÖt let go until you are thisclose to overheating!
What this means in practice is that you actually do not want to hit your target right away (unless your primary goal is suppressive fire). If you do, you will not be putting out enough damage and they will be able to get into cover before you can finish them off.
So, what you need to do is intentionally miss until you are maybe 1/3-1/2 way up the heat gauge before you actually hit your target (depending on how many targets you have). This is commonly known as "pre-heating."
The classic method of pre-heating is to pick an inanimate object like a nearby box or rock, and fire at it until you reach the desired level of "heat" and then sweep off the object and onto your target (don't let go of the trigger!). Once you reach the upper portions of the heat gauge, you will be putting out enough damage that you can quickly kill multiple targets if your aim is good (especially if they are shield-tanked suits). This is a somewhat vanilla way of using the weapon, but it definitely works: The archetypic "boring but effective" method.
But who wants that?! Believe it or not, how you miss is where a lot of the fun can come from! Here are a few of my favorite techniques:
1) "The derp": AKA "oh noes I sure do suck at dust!". When using this method, you fire sorta near your targets but wave the beam haphazardly all over the place like you have terrible aim or have no idea what you are doing. Once you are preheated, suddenly whip the laz0r beam right on target and melt the enemies face before they know what hit them.
2) "The clothesline": Arguably my favorite, but is very situational. Locate an enemy running perpendicular to your line of sight (or close to it) and basically on level ground with you. Fire the laz0r ahead of them, ideally just at or above head level. Time it right, and they will run straight into your beam at maximum heat, "clotheslining" themselves WWE-style on it. Headshot!
3)"The decoy": If a friendly player is engaging the enemy, fire at them instead. (Warning: NOT intended for use in factional warfare or PC!). You can preheat your beam and hopefully lull your target into a false sense of security thinking their teammate is the one firing the laz0r. Once you are heated up, they will realize the truth after they see your name on the "killed by" screen. - Alternately, if there is a group of targets, fire at the one you would like to scare away (for example, the one who sees you or is shooting at you!) and then finish off the rest once you are heated up.
4)"Death from above": AKA "a bolt from the blue". Shoot into the air well above your target. Once preheated, swing the beam straight down onto their heads and smite them with your purifying light! Can be tough to pull off, but just like the clothesline, very satisfying when you do. Bonus points for the Amarr RP'er who busts out an appropriately haughty one liner about God's wrath at the same time!
Got more? Please share, I'll put them in the final version of the guide!
The clothesline and the decoy are the technics that I seem to use the most.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2541
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:37:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Got more? Please share, I'll put them in the final version of the guide! Find an entrenched enemy position. Get behind a wall. Preheat against the wall. Step out and melt faces. This is how I learned to Laser people when the weapon was new and I only had enough SP for the Standard model but wanted to counter-Laser Viziam users. It worked nicely against most of them. The advantage here is that the beam isn't shining brightly out while you're preheating, and is therefore much less likely to give away your position until it's too late.
That is called the "classic method".
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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Derek Barnes
0uter.Heaven
456
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:42:00 -
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I run Commando ak.0 with Viziam laser and Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle with some type of nanohive. Or when I take a break from lasering, I run Commando ak.0 with dual Viziam Scrambler Rifles which is also fun ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4705
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:42:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:That is called the "classic method". No it's not. It's more specific, because you're specifically using something large enough to hide behind and making sure nobody can see you while you preheat the weapon.
Classic method can be used in the open firing at the ground, or near cover while firing away from the enemy. My technique involves preheating then stepping out with your sights already mostly on target because you've located a position they're unlikely to move far from before you preheat. |
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:45:00 -
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The amarr assault heat management seems a bit wonky still. I OH at 40 rounds left with V in amarr assault. It's kind of depressing.
Gal-mando. Because the best sidearm is a shotgun.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9088
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:45:00 -
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Derek Barnes wrote:I run Commando ak.0 with Viziam laser and Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle with some type of nanohive. Or when I take a break from lasering, I run Commando ak.0 with dual Viziam Scrambler Rifles which is also fun ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) Pick up the Wyrkomi. In an armour tanked squad you cannot ever all be annihilated if the commando is doing its role well.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2542
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:49:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:That is called the "classic method". No it's not. It's more specific, because you're specifically using something large enough to hide behind and making sure nobody can see you while you preheat the weapon. Classic method can be used in the open firing at the ground, or near cover while firing away from the enemy. My technique involves preheating then stepping out with your sights already mostly on target because you've located a position they're unlikely to move far from before you preheat.
D'oh. Caught me in the middle of an edit, it seems. I guess you could call it a tactical variant. I often crouch behind a box, similar concept but does leave me a little more exposed.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Derek Barnes wrote:I run Commando ak.0 with Viziam laser and Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle with some type of nanohive. Or when I take a break from lasering, I run Commando ak.0 with dual Viziam Scrambler Rifles which is also fun ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) Pick up the Wyrkomi. In an armour tanked squad you cannot ever all be annihilated if the commando is doing its role well. I usually just use nanohives because i usually run solo when I use my laser fit. |
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Vell0cet
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 05:17:00 -
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Does anyone have a chart of DPS with the various LR variants, factoring in how long it takes to hit the damage cap (with the 1.8 values) so we can better optimize preheating?
Best PvE idea ever!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.04.10 19:49:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Get on our level brah.....
Why would I stoop down?
#LivingLikeLarry
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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