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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 467	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:51:00 - [1] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Assault Bonus: -10% to CPU/PG requirements of weaponry per level Gallente Assault: +10% to armor repairers efficiency per level +3% to ferroscale plates efficiency per level +6% to hip fire accuracy and recoil reduction on hybrid blaster weaponry per level Caldari Assault: +7.5% to shield extender efficiency per level +3% to recharger efficiency per level +3% to hybrid rail weaponry range per level Amarr Assault: +7.5% to armor plate efficiency per level +5% to armor repairers efficiency per level +5% heat reduction on laser weaponry per level Minmatar Assault: +7.5% to Energizer efficency per level +3% to regulator efficiency per level +5% to magazine size of projectile weaponry As you can see, you are pushed into using your racial affinity, in both tank and gank. I have also increased the Assault CPU/PG bonus because at most it takes away a tiny tiny amount of CPU/PG. At 25% it's not nearly as good as the scout bonus, or sentinel bonus, or the commando bonus. Some bonuses are higher than others (Armor repairer bonus for example) because the net effect is too tiny. Now apply this method to the other suits (can't be bothered to make up bonuses to those too), and hooray, **** actually works! You just made the GAL a super trooper . 10 percent to ( Fifty percent ..??.. that's dam near un-killable ) armor rep per level ???? Come on , that's just TOO much and including the fact that they already get a rep as a basic ... sssshhhhheeeesssee . Even 5 percent is too much for the race that has the largest base armor in the game along with the basic rep that are a given for them . 24 percent to spray and pray accuracy ??? You are rewarding players for being bad shots . Why would anyone wear anything else ??? People cry FOTM at anything but this would give some justification to that . I as a Caldari use energizers not rechargers so that should apply to both . I know you have given that to the MIMI but the two could share . That 3 percent per-level would turn the RR into a sharpshooter to sniper rifle . Suggestion : How about apply that to accuracy like you gave to the GAL's ??? 7.5 percent to armor efficacy and 5 to armor repairer ??? WOW , let me take a toke of what you were smoking on when these numbers sounded anywhere near balanced in your mind . I would prob be high for the whole day . Must have been some good $h!t . Just bring those 10's and 7's down to even up with the rest and it sounds alright . Kill the 5's too because that's just too much . Now you know that the numbers get multiplied so bring them down to 2's and 3's . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 467	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:30:00 - [2] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: +1, I support While i do like these bonuses, and do support it this proposal (especially for Caldari and Gallente since their bonuses suck), it is not the main issue with assaults. The main issue is the slot layouts of assaults allow scouts to close the HP gap too easily. while most scouts can't out-tank an assault of the same race/tier (exception of the Amarr because assault actually has less module slots at STD-ADV than the scout), the scouts are still overall better because not only can they be tanky with a very small HP game with assaults, but they can simultaneously be faster, stealthier, and better at detecting, etc. Solution here KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: UPDATE: The 6 at STD, 7 at ADV, 8 at PRO mod slot plan would make mediums competitive, & slayer brick-tanked scouts won't be able to out-tank and outperform medium frames at their own jobs. There is no need to nerf scouts, simply raise mod slot count on medium suits and the brick-tanked scouts won't be an issue. This thread was created before the brick-tanked scout problem, but I strongly believe my proposed slot layout solution for mediums will solve the issue. Read on, I will explain. There are big problems with the medium frame slot layouts that need to be addressed. "Too long; didn't read" (TL;DR) version on post 2 (click here). [Assault & logistics issues] Slayer logi issue originates from the logis to tank more HP than their assault counterparts, allowing them to be more survivable killing platforms. This problem won't truly go away until the slots are handled correctly, just right now brick-tank scouts are bigger issue. Logis sacrifice sidearms, mobility, & base HP in exchange for for 2-3 more equipment (equip) slots than their assault counterparts. That seems like a fair deal, but on top of the 2 or 3 more equip slots, there is some crazy weirdness with the slot layouts that leads to imbalance. - At standard (STD) tier all logis (with the odd exception of the Amarr (Am) one) have inferior module (mod) slot layouts compared to the STD assault counterparts. - Advanced (ADV) tier logis either get equal or superior mod slot layouts compared to their ADV assault counterparts. - Prototype (PRO) tier logis all gain an extra low slot than their PRO assault counterpart, the caldari one also gains an extra high slot also. Summary: logis underpowered (UP) at STD tier, balanced or overpowered (OP) at ADV, & all OP at PRO. No reason for the Caldari (Cal) logi only having 2 equip at STD instead of 3; it isn't gaining anything extra compared to other STD logis or its assault counterpart for the sacrifice. The STD Cal logi is UP even compared to the other UP STD logis. There is also the issue of the Am medium slot layouts. 1.8 has Am mediums shifting from hybrid tanking (equal shields & armor) to predominantly having armor; this requires a slot layout change of more low slots for effective armor tanking. Right now the progression of Am mediums is odd, they start with more high slots (2 at militia (MLT) & STD). Am assault has less mod slots than other assaults. Yes it has a tiny 30 more base HP than the Caldari and Gallente assault, a small advantage already countered by being the slowest assault. It should be noted that the Am scout, Am sentinel, & Am commando also has more base HP compared to the other races' dropsuits of the same roles, yet these other Am suits aren't forced to give up a slot; they shouldn't have to give up a slot, and neither should the Am assault since the extra HP is already balanced by the speed loss. This problem makes the Am assault suffer the most from the brick-tanked scout problem, since the Am scout has more mod slots at STD-ADV than the assault, and same mod slot count at PRO; this allows the Am scout to surpass the Am assault in HP, while being faster, having a 2nd equip, stealthier, etc. [ REDACTED BASIC FRAME PROBLEM TO SAVE SPACE IN QUOTE ] [Solution] Part 1: assault & logi Give the Cal logistics 3 equip slots at STD. Also 4 equip at PRO (reduce mod slot from 9 to 8 in exchange). Give all assaults the same number of mod slots. Equalize the mod slot layouts for assaults & logis of the same race & tier: Assault & logi STD (high/low) Am: 2/4 Ga: 2/4 Ca: 4/2 (+1 equip for logi) Min: 3/3 Assault & logi ADV Am: 2/5 Ga: 3/4 Ca: 5/2 Min: 4/3 Assault & logi PRO Am: 3/5 Ga: 3/5 Ca: 5/3 (+1 equip for logi) Min: 4/4 [ REDACTED BASIC FRAME SOLUTION TO SAVE SPACE IN QUOTE ] Obviously PG/CPU should be tweaked Related suit thread: Basic frames & specializations differentiation I like those slot layout numbers and given an increase in CPU / PG and that would be nice . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 467	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:37:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Assault Bonus: -10% to CPU/PG requirements of weaponry per level Gallente Assault: +10% to armor repairers efficiency per level +3% to ferroscale plates efficiency per level +6% to hip fire accuracy and recoil reduction on hybrid blaster weaponry per level Caldari Assault: +7.5% to shield extender efficiency per level +3% to recharger efficiency per level +3% to hybrid rail weaponry range per level Amarr Assault: +7.5% to armor plate efficiency per level +5% to armor repairers efficiency per level +5% heat reduction on laser weaponry per level Minmatar Assault: +7.5% to Energizer efficency per level +3% to regulator efficiency per level +5% to magazine size of projectile weaponry As you can see, you are pushed into using your racial affinity, in both tank and gank. I have also increased the Assault CPU/PG bonus because at most it takes away a tiny tiny amount of CPU/PG. At 25% it's not nearly as good as the scout bonus, or sentinel bonus, or the commando bonus. Some bonuses are higher than others (Armor repairer bonus for example) because the net effect is too tiny. Now apply this method to the other suits (can't be bothered to make up bonuses to those too), and hooray, **** actually works! You just made the GAL a super trooper . 10 percent to ( Fifty percent ..??.. that's dam near un-killable ) armor rep per level ???? Come on , that's just TOO much and including the fact that they already get a rep as a basic ... sssshhhhheeeesssee . Even 5 percent is too much for the race that has the largest base armor in the game along with the basic rep that are a given for them . 24 percent to spray and pray accuracy ??? You are rewarding players for being bad shots . Why would anyone wear anything else ??? People cry FOTM at anything but this would give some justification to that . I as a Caldari use energizers not rechargers so that should apply to both . I know you have given that to the MIMI but the two could share . That 3 percent per-level would turn the RR into a sharpshooter to sniper rifle . Suggestion : How about apply that to accuracy like you gave to the GAL's ??? 7.5 percent to armor efficacy and 5 to armor repairer ??? WOW , let me take a toke of what you were smoking on when these numbers sounded anywhere near balanced in your mind . I would prob be high for the whole day . Must have been some good $h!t . Just bring those 10's and 7's down to even up with the rest and it sounds alright . Kill the 5's too because that's just too much . Now you know that the numbers get multiplied so bring them down to 2's and 3's . Hold up guys, we got a forum badass over here. I wish I was cool enough to jump into threads presenting reasonable suggestions and accuse the OP of being high on drugs. I don't mean to offend but come on >> those GAL numbers were kind of of crazy and would turn them into people from the planet that superman was from but given a yellow sun next to that planet . I don't disagree with the bonuses , just the numbers and the Cal's range and recharger to be changed into accuracy and both chargers and energizers . Just the numbers that's all . They just seem a little too much and maybe a 5 would be alright but 7 and 10 is just too much . If they get that bonus ( Gal and Amarr ) they will armor tank with reps . Your playing dust right ??? Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You

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