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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1757
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:13:00 -
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Compared to day one and two of 1.8, the amount of cloak users seem to be decreasing. I'll give Dust two weeks before the battlefields are normalized with a good amount of all roles. |
ugg reset
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
526
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:14:00 -
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that just means we're getting better =p
Thr33 is the magic number.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
773
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:15:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:that just means we're getting better =p Oh I get it
Closed beta vet
Tears, sweet delicious tears
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2582
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:15:00 -
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Or
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1758
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:23:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:that just means we're getting better =p Actually, no. Cloak users are predictable and generally don't know how to play the scout role. They tend to rush into the heat of combat, hoping to get a few kills only to be laid to waste for not playing tactically. I've said this before, but I've killed more cloaked Scouts than I have uncloaked.
The uncloaked Scouts are the ones who generally stalk their prey, pick their fights, and run away if the situation is not in their favor. However, cloaked Scouts that know how to play their roles from experiences of not having cloaks make me crap my pants. There are only a few that I've encountered and I respect them for not being scrubs. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4551
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:30:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:ugg reset wrote:that just means we're getting better =p Actually, no. Cloak users are predictable and generally don't know how to play the scout role. They tend to rush into the heat of combat, hoping to get a few kills only to be laid to waste for not playing tactically. I've said this before, but I've killed more cloaked Scouts than I have uncloaked. The uncloaked Scouts are the ones who generally stalk their prey, pick their fights, and run away if the situation is not in their favor. However, cloaked Scouts that know how to play their roles from experiences of not having cloaks make me crap my pants. There are only a few that I've encountered and I respect them for not being scrubs. I mainly use my cloaks to either check stuff out (cloak, then peek over a hill or around a corner), or hide when I've been noticed.
I am your scan error.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
4860
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:32:00 -
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I literally kill cloaked scouts on accident. I'll just be shooting at a guy and a cloaked scout will walk in between us and I'll see "HEADSHOT +60" appear lol
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
2084
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:35:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I literally kill cloaked scouts on accident. I'll just be shooting at a guy and a cloaked scout will walk in between us and I'll see "HEADSHOT +60" appear lol
A clear example of "things you shouldn't do when cloaked"
>Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
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Izlare Lenix
Arrogance.
329
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:39:00 -
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Many bad players tried scouting cause they thought the cloaks would make them invincible.
Cloaks do not.
More players are realizing this and less cloaky scouts are being used.
In a few weeks these players will probably be using fat suits and there will be a lot more heavies on the battlefield.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1761
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:40:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I literally kill cloaked scouts on accident. I'll just be shooting at a guy and a cloaked scout will walk in between us and I'll see "HEADSHOT +60" appear lol The happens all the time in the Research Facility. Lol. |
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1761
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:41:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:In a few weeks these players will probably be using fat suits and there will be a lot more heavies on the battlefield. I will then laugh because of the Heavy HP nerf. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
2318
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:45:00 -
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My shotgun scout isn't working anymore that's for sure. I had to switch to a combat rifle.
For the Federation!
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ugg reset
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
532
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:50:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:ugg reset wrote:that just means we're getting better =p Actually, no. Cloak users are predictable and generally don't know how to play the scout role. They tend to rush into the heat of combat, hoping to get a few kills only to be laid to waste for not playing tactically. I've said this before, but I've killed more cloaked Scouts than I have uncloaked. The uncloaked Scouts are the ones who generally stalk their prey, pick their fights, and run away if the situation is not in their favor. However, cloaked Scouts that know how to play their roles from experiences of not having cloaks make me crap my pants. There are only a few that I've encountered and I respect them for not being scrubs.
well then, I look froward to killing you soonGäó.
Thr33 is the magic number.
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
675
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:53:00 -
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Just like before 1.8, the scariest scouts are the ones invisible to active/passive scans, not the eye.
Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood.
Futurama
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Vell0cet
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1325
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:58:00 -
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Many people predicted this. Cloaks are a big, exciting new thing. It's natural for people to want to try them out, having grown bored from 1.7. Once the luster wears off, they will probably be much less common.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
161
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:58:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:ugg reset wrote:that just means we're getting better =p Actually, no. Cloak users are predictable and generally don't know how to play the scout role. They tend to rush into the heat of combat, hoping to get a few kills only to be laid to waste for not playing tactically. I've said this before, but I've killed more cloaked Scouts than I have uncloaked. The uncloaked Scouts are the ones who generally stalk their prey, pick their fights, and run away if the situation is not in their favor. However, cloaked Scouts that know how to play their roles from experiences of not having cloaks make me crap my pants. There are only a few that I've encountered and I respect them for not being scrubs.
This is very true, cloaks require success with less skillful play. They cover up poor gameplay mistakes, which include lack of awareness, lack of skillful movement around the map, lack of being selective in engagements. They cover mistakes by reducing the penalty for gameplay decisions while on top of that provide an advantage offensively which isn't deserved. So high risk play isn't punished. Resulting low skill gameplay provides high reward for unskilled player/gameplay by simply using a cloak.
This is why so many scouts love cloaks because they aren't "wasting time" trying to move around the map strategically and pick the right opponents to target. There's no secret that cloaks are a crutch to scouts, but many scouts belief they deserve it because they've "mostly suffered" through previous patches. This is untrue, scout did fine before and would do well in 1.8 without a cloak because they were given a boost to equipment and modules.
There should be no item which rewards poor gameplay while providing an offensive advantage to these players. There is no reason or justification for cloaks, scouts don't require one to be successful and it compensate bad play too much. Scouts are in denial of the superiority cloaks provide for nothing. There is no risk, no drawbacks to using a cloak and only advantages to equipping one. CCP should remove the cloak because it unjustly rewards poor play. |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn
3796
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Posted - 2014.03.30 02:08:00 -
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lol yea, just because you have cloak doesn't mean you should run into a pile of enemies and just start shooting as if you're built to withstand 4 guys shooting at you.
I'm enjoying the ninja style gameplay myself...
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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ugg reset
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
534
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Posted - 2014.03.30 02:28:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:ugg reset wrote:that just means we're getting better =p Actually, no. Cloak users are predictable and generally don't know how to play the scout role. They tend to rush into the heat of combat, hoping to get a few kills only to be laid to waste for not playing tactically. I've said this before, but I've killed more cloaked Scouts than I have uncloaked. The uncloaked Scouts are the ones who generally stalk their prey, pick their fights, and run away if the situation is not in their favor. However, cloaked Scouts that know how to play their roles from experiences of not having cloaks make me crap my pants. There are only a few that I've encountered and I respect them for not being scrubs. This is very true, cloaks require success with less skillful play. They cover up poor gameplay mistakes, which include lack of awareness, lack of skillful movement around the map, lack of being selective in engagements. They cover mistakes by reducing the penalty for gameplay decisions while on top of that provide an advantage offensively which isn't deserved. So high risk play isn't punished. Resulting low skill gameplay provides high reward for unskilled player/gameplay by simply using a cloak. This is why so many scouts love cloaks because they aren't "wasting time" trying to move around the map strategically and pick the right opponents to target. There's no secret that cloaks are a crutch to scouts, but many scouts belief they deserve it because they've "mostly suffered" through previous patches. This is untrue, scout did fine before and would do well in 1.8 without a cloak because they were given a boost to equipment and modules. There should be no item which rewards poor gameplay while providing an offensive advantage to these players. There is no reason or justification for cloaks, scouts don't require one to be successful and it compensate bad play too much. Scouts are in denial of the superiority cloaks provide for nothing. There is no risk, no drawbacks to using a cloak and only advantages to equipping one. CCP should remove the cloak because it unjustly rewards poor play.
drama queen. cloaks are fine and I've yet to have anyone outside the forums tell me otherwise.
Thr33 is the magic number.
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Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
1142
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Posted - 2014.03.30 02:34:00 -
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I love fake scouts with cloaks. I passive them down, act all nonchalant, then magsec whie they wait for me to turn my back.
Your cloak does not make you invisible to my scans. Seriously, it's almost cute sometimes, especially when you don't fight back. Seriously, I'm injured from killing your heavy, you have no better chance to beat me and you still try to run or hide when I stare at you.
If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
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mollerz
3092
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Posted - 2014.03.30 02:39:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I literally kill cloaked scouts on accident. I'll just be shooting at a guy and a cloaked scout will walk in between us and I'll see "HEADSHOT +60" appear lol A clear example of "things you shouldn't do when cloaked"
This game is chock fukn full of people who can't fathom where the lanes of fire are. The worst is when a blueberry walks in between your fire and the enemy absorbing most of your rounds only for him to get killed and you shortly after in a middle of a reload.
I just want to bitchslap those idiots
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
2090
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Posted - 2014.03.30 02:42:00 -
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mollerz wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I literally kill cloaked scouts on accident. I'll just be shooting at a guy and a cloaked scout will walk in between us and I'll see "HEADSHOT +60" appear lol A clear example of "things you shouldn't do when cloaked" This game is chock fukn full of people who can't fathom where the lanes of fire are. The worst is when a blueberry walks in between your fire and the enemy absorbing most of your rounds only for him to get killed and you shortly after in a middle of a reload. I just want to bitchslap those idiots
Entirely agreed.
>Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
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Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
186
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Posted - 2014.03.30 03:06:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Compared to day one and two of 1.8, the amount of cloak users seem to be decreasing. I'll give Dust two weeks before the battlefields are normalized with a good amount of all roles.
Well give us OP FOTM searchers some time to find the new OP roles before you claim balance hehe.
Your right way less cloak - It will be less effective as people learn to counter it. |
Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
5278
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Posted - 2014.03.30 03:13:00 -
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I'm seeing more, they're starting to really **** me off right now. At first I was okay with them, but now its gotten annoying.
*Uncloak* *Shotgun* *Cloak*
This is all I'm seeing from Shotgunners nowadays, and its really starting to get annoying.
fuckign casuls
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Vell0cet
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1327
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Posted - 2014.03.30 03:40:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:ugg reset wrote:that just means we're getting better =p Actually, no. Cloak users are predictable and generally don't know how to play the scout role. They tend to rush into the heat of combat, hoping to get a few kills only to be laid to waste for not playing tactically. I've said this before, but I've killed more cloaked Scouts than I have uncloaked. The uncloaked Scouts are the ones who generally stalk their prey, pick their fights, and run away if the situation is not in their favor. However, cloaked Scouts that know how to play their roles from experiences of not having cloaks make me crap my pants. There are only a few that I've encountered and I respect them for not being scrubs. This is very true, cloaks require success with less skillful play. They cover up poor gameplay mistakes, which include lack of awareness, lack of skillful movement around the map, lack of being selective in engagements. They cover mistakes by reducing the penalty for gameplay decisions while on top of that provide an advantage offensively which isn't deserved. So high risk play isn't punished. Resulting low skill gameplay provides high reward for unskilled player/gameplay by simply using a cloak. This is why so many scouts love cloaks because they aren't "wasting time" trying to move around the map strategically and pick the right opponents to target. There's no secret that cloaks are a crutch to scouts, but many scouts belief they deserve it because they've "mostly suffered" through previous patches. This is untrue, scout did fine before and would do well in 1.8 without a cloak because they were given a boost to equipment and modules. There should be no item which rewards poor gameplay while providing an offensive advantage to these players. There is no reason or justification for cloaks, scouts don't require one to be successful and it compensate bad play too much. Scouts are in denial of the superiority cloaks provide for nothing. There is no risk, no drawbacks to using a cloak and only advantages to equipping one. CCP should remove the cloak because it unjustly rewards poor play. Cloaks make the battlefield more rich. It adds that EVEesque paranoia that there could be someone hunting you. In case you haven't figured it out by now, DUST isn't about fair fights (although it should still have balanced fights--separate concepts).
If you want a "skill based" game, then there should only be one suit and one weapon in a small room with no cover. That would be an FPS about pure twitch skill. It doesn't sound like much fun to me. DUST is all about creating advantages over your opponent through diverse tactics and counter-tactics. It's not about fighting fair, it's about playing smart. If cloaks are a crutch for bad players, run a Gallogi and you should easily farm easy kills, or run a Caldari scout with precision enhancers and drink their tears: counter tactics.
Best PvE idea ever!
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gravalicious
On The Brink CRONOS.
101
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Posted - 2014.03.30 03:45:00 -
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I honestly forget I have a cloak equipped most of the time, so I often don't use it.
As a pre-1.8 scout (not implying I'm good), I've gotten used to just seeing where people are and avoided them/setting them up for an RE. |
Black SlaverX
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:03:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:I love fake scouts with cloaks. I passive them down, act all nonchalant, then magsec whie they wait for me to turn my back.
Your cloak does not make you invisible to my scans. Seriously, it's almost cute sometimes, especially when you don't fight back. Seriously, I'm injured from killing your heavy, you have no better chance to beat me and you still try to run or hide when I stare at you.
See forum go'ers this is just the worst type of post.
Someone who just can not wait to nearly break their wrist patting themselves on the back about how "elite" they think they are.
Uh.......... I wish I could downvote post.
Watch your back because I might be there.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
2276
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:07:00 -
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Black SlaverX wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:I love fake scouts with cloaks. I passive them down, act all nonchalant, then magsec whie they wait for me to turn my back.
Your cloak does not make you invisible to my scans. Seriously, it's almost cute sometimes, especially when you don't fight back. Seriously, I'm injured from killing your heavy, you have no better chance to beat me and you still try to run or hide when I stare at you. See forum go'ers this is just the worst type of post. Someone who just can not wait to nearly break their wrist patting themselves on the back about how "elite" they think they are. Uh.......... I wish I could downvote post.
it's classic over confidence, no different then scanner crutch sadly, the second he meet a gal scout who his passive scans can't find he will end up dead since he's not used to using standard situational awareness. |
noobsniper the 2nd
POISION ROSES Galactic Skyfleet Empire
355
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:16:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:My shotgun scout isn't working anymore that's for sure. I had to switch to a combat rifle. Really? I have been wrecking kids with mine oh how I love you proto shotty *pets it*
"things are made of stuff"-Bill Nye
MAG vet raven ftw
Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
971
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:22:00 -
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noobsniper the 2nd wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:My shotgun scout isn't working anymore that's for sure. I had to switch to a combat rifle. Really? I have been wrecking kids with mine oh how I love you proto shotty *pets it* Been doing the same with militia.
I don't need luck, I have a cloak.
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
CEO of We Who Walk Alone
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Louis Domi
Pradox One Proficiency V.
160
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:26:00 -
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mollerz wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I literally kill cloaked scouts on accident. I'll just be shooting at a guy and a cloaked scout will walk in between us and I'll see "HEADSHOT +60" appear lol A clear example of "things you shouldn't do when cloaked" This game is chock fukn full of people who can't fathom where the lanes of fire are. The worst is when a blueberry walks in between your fire and the enemy absorbing most of your rounds only for him to get killed and you shortly after in a middle of a reload. I just want to bitchslap those idiots
Got to say... This has accidently happened to me while trying to revive someone... Stepped in right when my teammate engaged the enemy, and he did it so close to the corpse, i was caught in between, It was a mistake for me to care about others especially when im solo in a warzone. In war you can only rely on yourself...Unless you have a squad then they can do some **** too.
But anyway cloaks, gotta admit sometimes when im pumped up, cuz i just took down a a group of people by myself, i have a tendency of jumping into another group of enemys without a game plan, if its a really desperate game i will repeat this and try to win, sometimes i do sometimes i dont
Then there are those games that im less pumped and more patient, Pick my targets(i go for the weak ones first) either wait till they seperate(shotgun) or pick them out from a distance(100m+ with sniper rifle)
Either way i use the cloak, sometimes in a stupidly outrageously awful way, and sometimes in a more effiecient way. Am i happy more people are leaving the cloak? A little.(makes life just a bit easier) Will i leave the cloak? Hmm only time will tell, but for now I'm happy where i am :)
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