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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:48:00 -
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Could a DEV or GM let us know what exactly is going on with the random bouncing AFK'ers that we see in ambush game modes and what is being done about them?
Already rumors are going around that there are controller hacks that allow people to ISK farm while AFK. Not only do these toons not help out their team but they give the enemy free kills.
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Shooty Dangerman
One Bad Dude
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:46:00 -
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Probably just a turbo controller or maybe a high end keyboard with script functionality. They can farm ambush by just setting triangle button to rapidfire mode. They crouch till they get killed and then will smart deploy again when they bleed out.
I've never done this mind you but that's likely what's happening. It's probably becoming more prevalent because others are seeing the crouchers and catching on to their game.
I would've thought the AFK kicking script would check for actual character movement, but I guess any action counts.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2014.03.30 12:39:00 -
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any high end keyboard, mouse, or other gaming devise such as a nostromo can auto spam any key it wants to
al DS3s are capabale of the spinning in circles anti-afk method as well you just have to get one of the analoge sticks stuck in a non neutral position.
its not exactyl difficult or costs any money |
GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:20:00 -
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LOL @ someone from DNS complaining about people getting ISK without effort.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 18:54:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:LOL @ someone from DNS complaining about people getting ISK without effort.
This is a section of the forums for threads about game mechanics. Leave your **** poor attempts to troll for the war room where everyone else can laugh at you.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
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Posted - 2014.03.30 22:18:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:
This is a section of the forums for threads about game mechanics. Leave your **** poor attempts to troll for the war room where everyone else can laugh at you.
When CCP gets on to the issue of removing bogus ISK generated by Character recycling and district locking, then bans everyone who got involved in RMT then we can start worrying about AFK'ing. Since that would eliminate most of the old guard it isn't going to happen though.
You are not going to see it stop while people get passive SP for being alive. So unless you are advocating that, then there is nothing to be done. CCP won't even stop that, because if they did, people wouldn't be able to cap, and there would be a huge uproar over the lack of a rollover cap.
Your orginal post overlooked very obvious reasons why people are bouncing while they AFK, but yet you need the devs to hold your hand and tell you how controllers work?
A logical thought process could have made this all very easy for you to understand.
Guess who won't be getting my vote for CPM.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 22:24:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:
This is a section of the forums for threads about game mechanics. Leave your **** poor attempts to troll for the war room where everyone else can laugh at you.
When CCP gets on to the issue of removing bogus ISK generated by Character recycling and district locking, then bans everyone who got involved in RMT then we can start worrying about AFK'ing. Since that would eliminate most of the old guard it isn't going to happen though. You are not going to see it stop while people get passive SP for being alive. So unless you are advocating that, then there is nothing to be done. CCP won't even stop that, because if they did, people wouldn't be able to cap, and there would be a huge uproar over the lack of a rollover cap. Your orginal post overlooked very obvious reasons why people are bouncing while they AFK, but yet you need the devs to hold your hand and tell you how controllers work? A logical thought process could have made this all very easy for you to understand. Guess who won't be getting my vote for CPM.
Guess who doesnt care about a vote from someone who is of absolutely no value to the community. You have been riding coattails since beta and always hiding behind others. Every post I see is you complaining or trying to put down others in some sort of deluded sense of superiority.
My request was for a response to that they understand that it is going on and that it is an exploit of the system. Recycling and district locking are all exploits as well and should be fixed (locking already has been). I dont think anyone needs to be banned over it, just get rid of their ability to do it.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
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Posted - 2014.03.30 22:50:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:
Guess who doesnt care about a vote from someone who is of absolutely no value to the community. You have been riding coattails since beta and always hiding behind others. Every post I see is you complaining or trying to put down others in some sort of deluded sense of superiority.
My request was for a response to that they understand that it is going on and that it is an exploit of the system. Recycling and district locking are all exploits as well and should be fixed (locking already has been). I dont think anyone needs to be banned over it, just get rid of their ability to do it.
No value to the community? Oh no. A scumbag who farms ISK doesn't think I help the community.
Of course you don't think people should be banned for it, because you and I both know that your entire alliance is filled with people who would be banned once the scope of the RMT going on comes to light.
Of course they know it is going on, because they have server logs that track how far you travel. They could just as easily look at the payout breakdowns, because they recently made changes to the payout system to reduce the amount of ISK the lowest players on the scoreboard get.
So you made a thread to demand a response to something CCP is obviously aware of. Great job.
What is funny is that you don't even care about the futility of your exercise you just want a response from CCP.
Way to go you vain scrub. I hope CCP makes someone waste thirty seconds to respond to this just so you can feel special.
I also hope that answer is something along the lines of "Any anti-afk system we could develop will be worked around within an hour, so wasting valuable and sparse resources is not feasible."
Thanks for making me laugh with your pathetic attempts at trolling. I ride coattails, that is why I am in a solo corp and you are in AE.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1320
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Posted - 2014.03.30 22:58:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:
Guess who doesnt care about a vote from someone who is of absolutely no value to the community. You have been riding coattails since beta and always hiding behind others. Every post I see is you complaining or trying to put down others in some sort of deluded sense of superiority.
My request was for a response to that they understand that it is going on and that it is an exploit of the system. Recycling and district locking are all exploits as well and should be fixed (locking already has been). I dont think anyone needs to be banned over it, just get rid of their ability to do it.
No value to the community? Oh no. A scumbag who farms ISK doesn't think I help the community. Of course you don't think people should be banned for it, because you and I both know that your entire alliance is filled with people who would be banned once the scope of the RMT going on comes to light. Of course they know it is going on, because they have server logs that track how far you travel. They could just as easily look at the payout breakdowns, because they recently made changes to the payout system to reduce the amount of ISK the lowest players on the scoreboard get. So you made a thread to demand a response to something CCP is obviously aware of. Great job. What is funny is that you don't even care about the futility of your exercise you just want a response from CCP. Way to go you vain scrub. I hope CCP makes someone waste thirty seconds to respond to this just so you can feel special. I also hope that answer is something along the lines of "Any anti-afk system we could develop will be worked around within an hour, so wasting valuable and sparse resources is not feasible." Thanks for making me laugh with your pathetic attempts at trolling. I ride coattails, that is why I am in a solo corp and you are in AE.
Are you still trying? No, please continue to cry and moan about the evils over others. It doesnt make you look like a spoiled child at all.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
954
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Posted - 2014.03.30 23:09:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:
Are you still trying? No, please continue to cry and moan about the evils over others. It doesnt make you look like a spoiled child at all.
Says the guy who demands an answer from the devs over something that he already knows they know about.
You are just as dumb as you are bad.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1320
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Posted - 2014.03.30 23:22:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:
Are you still trying? No, please continue to cry and moan about the evils over others. It doesnt make you look like a spoiled child at all.
Says the guy who demands an answer from the devs over something that he already knows they know about. You are just as dumb as you are bad.
Do you know what the definition of demand is? Because I dont see many demands start with "Could a". That seems more like a request to me. But then again, it might be too much to assume that you could differentiate between the two.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
955
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Posted - 2014.03.30 23:31:00 -
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Poor little birdy, the answers have already been provided, and your question did not need to be asked.
In fact, any application of logic to the question would have very easily answered it for you.
Why does CCP need to reply?
Also, why are you listening to "rumours"? Especially ones about controller hacks? Why would someone go to such lengths when there are much easier methods of AFK'ing?
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1321
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Posted - 2014.03.30 23:49:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Poor little birdy, the answers have already been provided, and your question did not need to be asked.
In fact, any application of logic to the question would have very easily answered it for you.
Why does CCP need to reply?
Also, why are you listening to "rumours"? Especially ones about controller hacks? Why would someone go to such lengths when there are much easier methods of AFK'ing?
Why do you need to reply other than to somehow feel you are relevant? Cant accomplish anything in the game itself so you come on here to fight the good fight?
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence. EoN.
976
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Posted - 2014.03.30 23:55:00 -
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I've found that adding lemon juice to whole milk can be used as an acceptable substitute for buttermilk if you're in a pinch.
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
956
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Posted - 2014.03.30 23:56:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:
Why do you need to reply other than to somehow feel you are relevant? Cant accomplish anything in the game itself so you come on here to fight the good fight?
Better than every tanker in your Alliance.
You refuse to answer any question posed to you, so clearly you understand that your questions were needless and stupid.
Thanks for admitting that. Enjoy farming ISK and pretending you are good. Good players don't need to hire out for support.
I'm glad to know that yet another member of AE is incapable of performing basic logical analysis of a situation. Not surprising, but entertaining.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1322
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Posted - 2014.03.31 00:12:00 -
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lol @ using specious logic and then trying to claim intellectual victory. Have you really fallen to using tired old forum tricks now?
I could use the same logic and say that your need to continually reply in this thread does validate my point that it is the only way you can feel relevant in this game since you have failed to gain anything of value in each corp you have been with. Keep trying to troll me, I dont care. You will continue to have zero impact on my life in game our out. You are nothing more than an irrelevant pest who provides a couple minutes of amusement but poses zero threat what so ever.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.03.31 11:53:00 -
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Dude, I think this is just a small bug in the Blueberry NPC AI programming.
Apart from that I support AFK - but it really belongs in skirmish
To be honest, some of these people standing still all game doing nothing would probably do worse if they actually played, at least this way they aren't actively running at the enemy. |
GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
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Posted - 2014.03.31 11:59:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:
I could use the same logic and say that your need to continually reply in this thread does validate my point that it is the only way you can feel relevant in this game since you have failed to gain anything of value in each corp you have been with. Keep trying to troll me, I dont care. You will continue to have zero impact on my life in game our out. You are nothing more than an irrelevant pest who provides a couple minutes of amusement but poses zero threat what so ever.
Only an AE scrub would attempt to use words like relevant in a game with such a shallow playerbase.
So, you get asked a couple of questions about your post, and you fall to attacks on my person and my playstyle. Great character for someone running for CPM.
Also, why would someone asking questions pose a threat to you? Are you so afraid of explaining yourself that you cannot stand to be asked questions?
Keep "requesting" answer to questions that have already been handled at great length. I hope that when you get the answer it is just as disappointing as your quality of gameplay.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1348
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:24:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:
I could use the same logic and say that your need to continually reply in this thread does validate my point that it is the only way you can feel relevant in this game since you have failed to gain anything of value in each corp you have been with. Keep trying to troll me, I dont care. You will continue to have zero impact on my life in game our out. You are nothing more than an irrelevant pest who provides a couple minutes of amusement but poses zero threat what so ever.
Only an AE scrub would attempt to use words like relevant in a game with such a shallow playerbase. So, you get asked a couple of questions about your post, and you fall to attacks on my person and my playstyle. Great character for someone running for CPM. Also, why would someone asking questions pose a threat to you? Are you so afraid of explaining yourself that you cannot stand to be asked questions? Keep "requesting" answer to questions that have already been handled at great length. I hope that when you get the answer it is just as disappointing as your quality of gameplay.
So you are now accusing me of personal attacks yet that is what you have been doing throughout this entire thread? I find your supposed logic laughable if you think that argument has any merit. When you actually bring a thought out response to a thread that is in some way working toward the advancement of the game, I will respond in kind. Until then, I zero reason to treat you with any sort of legitimacy.
The reason that I have not responded to any of your questions is that they are such obvious troll bait that they are not worth even bothering to spend a moment's thought on. I have zero hesitation in responding to others and backing up my own opinions as is readily evidenced by the other threads I have been responding to. You, however, have a long history of doing nothing by whining without adding anything of substance. I have the posting history to back up my point, where is yours?
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1348
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:27:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Dude, I think this is just a small bug in the Blueberry NPC AI programming.
Apart from that I support AFK - but it really belongs in skirmish
To be honest, some of these people standing still all game doing nothing would probably do worse if they actually played, at least this way they aren't actively running at the enemy.
Its possible but it would be nice to get a confirmation from the CCP team to ensure that it does not have a greater impact on the game than it does now. Id rather it not turn into eve where you have things like bot miners and traders as a workaround to actually putting effort into the game. If someone wants to AFK, they need to actually monitor the game to do it rather than turn on a macro and leave the house.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence. EoN.
979
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:36:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:
Its possible but it would be nice to get a confirmation from the CCP team to ensure that it does not have a greater impact on the game than it does now. Id rather it not turn into eve where you have things like bot miners and traders as a workaround to actually putting effort into the game. If someone wants to AFK, they need to actually monitor the game to do it rather than turn on a macro and leave the house.
No matter what you do there's nothing to stop them from just tilting the stick so they walk in a circle and securing it in place. Sadly this is a problem that probably isn't worth the time it would take to resolve.
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1349
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:51:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:
Its possible but it would be nice to get a confirmation from the CCP team to ensure that it does not have a greater impact on the game than it does now. Id rather it not turn into eve where you have things like bot miners and traders as a workaround to actually putting effort into the game. If someone wants to AFK, they need to actually monitor the game to do it rather than turn on a macro and leave the house.
No matter what you do there's nothing to stop them from just tilting the stick so they walk in a circle and securing it in place. Sadly this is a problem that probably isn't worth the time it would take to resolve.
Possibly so but would I do think that it deserves a conversation as a whole about how income is created within public matches in Dust. I think the main issue (in this case) is that the frontline suits are absolutely free which means that each match is a 100% margin income generator for people who seek to exploit it.
CCP has tried to make low risk income generation something that is the lowest tier of profitability in EVE and that needs to be transferred to Dust. This would be the case for all game modes.
- PC should have extremely high entry costs for MCCs and war barges and require constant maintenance of districts to account for high profitability
- FW should give loyalty points based upon winning the match as well as what you kill. This would mimic EVE in that you gain LP based upon the market value of what you destroy.
- Pub matches should follow this same scenario where it is much more profitable to kill/support/win than to just AFK
- PVE should be an alternate income for mercs but be tiered to allow greater income as players gain SP and better gear.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
982
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:56:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:
- Pub matches should follow this same scenario where it is much more profitable to kill/support/win than to just AFK
They already did this by changing the payout tables.
Go and AFK and see if you make it to the 100k tax cutoff.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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