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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

DJINN Marauder wrote:

Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

8213 wrote:

So, I would challenge you to a Thunderdome.

Your tanks have more SP than mine, but I think we can agree on a mutual build then have a go at it.

I know you lack any form of gungame in the slightest (why you're in a tank) so I'll spare you that. We can do it on your terms.

If you want to come onto every thread and post a picture of my score of a terrible match my team and I had, fine. I bet it's probably your screen saver too. But when you start posting on every section of this forum, including something as tasteless as posting in Corp Recruitment, I figured its time that you back up what you say/do.

Just you and I. No actual tankers to back you up. What do you say? This is what the WR is for, right?

You'll finally get a chance to start a list of accomplishments of your own, instead of just pointing out others' mishaps. No longer will you have to tag along when FA dominates and just be happy to be there(as anyone can replace you on the battlefield). It can all be about you.

We can make it interesting like putting stakes on the line, like ISK, forcing the other to have a humiliating signature, or whatever.

How 'bout it, Benji?

Oh no he's onto me I'm just a carried scrub with no gun game or tanking ability we only 4 tank ever to carry me don't kill me pwease.
(sarcasm)
Don't be a b*tch and I won't endlessly flame you, you put yourself higher than Atiim when it comes to people to TK in FW,

Is that a yes to his challenge to you?
Only true b*tches don't accept a challenge you know

What do you think?
Because it's not a yes... it's a F*CK YES!

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Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1972	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:27:00 - [1] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: 8213 wrote: So, I would challenge you to a Thunderdome. Your tanks have more SP than mine, but I think we can agree on a mutual build then have a go at it. I know you lack any form of gungame in the slightest (why you're in a tank) so I'll spare you that. We can do it on your terms. If you want to come onto every thread and post a picture of my score of a terrible match my team and I had, fine. I bet it's probably your screen saver too. But when you start posting on every section of this forum, including something as tasteless as posting in Corp Recruitment, I figured its time that you back up what you say/do. Just you and I. No actual tankers to back you up. What do you say? This is what the WR is for, right? You'll finally get a chance to start a list of accomplishments of your own, instead of just pointing out others' mishaps. No longer will you have to tag along when FA dominates and just be happy to be there(as anyone can replace you on the battlefield). It can all be about you. We can make it interesting like putting stakes on the line, like ISK, forcing the other to have a humiliating signature, or whatever. How 'bout it, Benji? Oh no he's onto me I'm just a carried scrub with no gun game or tanking ability we only 4 tank ever to carry me don't kill me pwease. (sarcasm) Don't be a btch and I won't endlessly flame you, you put yourself higher than Atiim when it comes to people to TK in FW, Is that a yes to his challenge to you? Only true btches don't accept a challenge you know What do you think? Because it's not a yes... it's a F*CK YES! For some reason this doesn't look like backing down to me. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1972	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:30:00 - [2] - Quote 8213 wrote: Hmmm, let's compare Duna to Benji... Oh wait, I can't. He's blown you out of the water in everything that could be comparable. And he's been doing it since the day he stepped into DUST. So, Duna rolls in a tank squad? You mean, he uses teamwork in a teamwork based game? Tank squad or not, you don't put up those kinds of numbers by dumb luck. I guess CUBS isn't the best Heavy in the history of the game. I guess milkman1 sucks too. I guess you're better than all of them? His KDR has been hovering around 30 since before Uprising, and certainly before 1.7 came around. You're a tanker, so why can't you even accomplish 1/10th of what he has? And spare me any excuses of righteousness. Now, I'm going to kick back with some popcorn, wait for you to respond, and dismiss everything you ever say to me considering you... avoided my direct challenge in a T-Dome. Thus making anything you say in this War Room invalid and without merit. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6356	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:39:00 - [3] - Quote Please keep it to one thread. :(
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1972	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:41:00 - [4] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Please keep it to one thread. :( Nothing exciting is happening in the war room anyway. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6356	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:43:00 - [5] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Please keep it to one thread. :( Nothing exciting is happening in the war room anyway. Nothing exciting is happening in Dust at all.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1285	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:45:00 - [6] - Quote ISKciting
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1972	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:47:00 - [7] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Please keep it to one thread. :( Nothing exciting is happening in the war room anyway. Nothing exciting is happening in Dust at all. LIC needs to throw 20B in clone packs at us with WTF, VC, and OH behind them to make things interesting everything is so... quiet. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6356	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:48:00 - [8] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Please keep it to one thread. :( Nothing exciting is happening in the war room anyway. Nothing exciting is happening in Dust at all. LIC needs to throw 20B in clone packs at us with WTF, VC, and OH behind them to make things interesting everything is so... quiet. Things won't be interesting until the whole donut gets bored and attacks each other.
XxWarlordxX97 4249	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:51:00 - [9] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Please keep it to one thread. :( Nothing exciting is happening in the war room anyway. Nothing exciting is happening in Dust at all. I'm getting a proto Gallente heavy soon then pub stompers will hide, so there's one Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" I will ring for A.E. for 1 to 2 million specing in to the gallente heavy now
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1972	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:08:00 - [10] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Please keep it to one thread. :( Nothing exciting is happening in the war room anyway. Nothing exciting is happening in Dust at all. LIC needs to throw 20B in clone packs at us with WTF, VC, and OH behind them to make things interesting everything is so... quiet. Things won't be interesting until the whole donut gets bored and attacks each other. That would be pretty fun. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!

Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 535	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:01:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: 8213 wrote: Hmmm, let's compare Duna to Benji... Oh wait, I can't. He's blown you out of the water in everything that could be comparable. And he's been doing it since the day he stepped into DUST. So, Duna rolls in a tank squad? You mean, he uses teamwork in a teamwork based game? Tank squad or not, you don't put up those kinds of numbers by dumb luck. I guess CUBS isn't the best Heavy in the history of the game. I guess milkman1 sucks too. I guess you're better than all of them? His KDR has been hovering around 30 since before Uprising, and certainly before 1.7 came around. You're a tanker, so why can't you even accomplish 1/10th of what he has? And spare me any excuses of righteousness. Now, I'm going to kick back with some popcorn, wait for you to respond, and dismiss everything you ever say to me considering you... avoided my direct challenge in a T-Dome. Thus making anything you say in this War Room invalid and without merit. lol. He praised duna . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________ . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . ,.-GÇÿGÇ¥. . . . . . . . . .``~., . . . . . . . .. . . . . .,.-GÇ¥. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .GÇ£-., . . . . .. . . . . . ..,/. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GÇ¥:, . . . . . . . .. .,?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\, . . . . . . . . . /. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,} . . . . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`^`.} . . . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:GÇ¥. . . ./ . . . . . . .?. . . __. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :`. . . ./ . . . . . . . /__.(. . .GÇ£~-,_. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`. . . .. ./ . . . . . . /(_. . GÇ¥~,_. . . ..GÇ£~,_. . . . . . . . . .,:`. . . . _/ . . . .. .{.._$;_. . .GÇ¥=,_. . . .GÇ£-,_. . . ,.-~-,}, .~GÇ¥; /. .. .} . . .. . .((. . .~_. . . .GÇ¥=-._. . .GÇ£;,,./`. . /GÇ¥ . . . ./. .. ../ . . . .. . .\`~,. . ..GÇ£~.,. . . . . . . . . ..`. . .}. . . . . . ../ . . . . . .(. ..`=-,,. . . .`. . . . . . . . . . . ..(. . . ;_,,-GÇ¥ . . . . . ../.`~,. . ..`-.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..\. . /\ . . . . . . \`~.-,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..\|,./.....\,__ ,,_. . . . . }.>-._\. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\|. . . . . . ..`=~-, . .. `=~-,_\_. . . `\,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\ . . . . . . . . . .`=~-,,.\,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . `:,, . . . . . . . . . . . . . `\. . . . . . ..__ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .`=-,. . . . . . . . . .,%`>--==`` . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _\. . . . . ._,-%. . . ..`\ I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4863	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:03:00 - [12] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Please keep it to one thread. :( Nothing exciting is happening in the war room anyway. Nothing exciting is happening in Dust at all. LIC needs to throw 20B in clone packs at us with WTF, VC, and OH behind them to make things interesting everything is so... quiet. Things won't be interesting until the whole donut gets bored and attacks each other. Keep it on the down low but I am exciting a revolution within AE. Once I seize the leadership I will attack everyone. Be patient everyone... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Derrith Erador Arrogance. 1415	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:05:00 - [13] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Keep it on the down low but I am exciting a revolution within AE. Once I seize the leadership I will attack everyone. Be patient everyone... Right, on the down low. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6392	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:11:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Keep it on the down low but I am exciting a revolution within AE. Once I seize the leadership I will attack everyone. Be patient everyone... Which is why you just posted it on the forums.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2019	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:50:00 - [15] - Quote Hmmm, so you put the "FCK YES" part long afterwards, and I never took the time to go back and check it when you edited it... Funny how you never brought this to my attention all the other times I confronted you about turning down my challenge. Sorry, kiddo, but you avoided the challenge. You can't come around afterwards and take back your original actions. Again, nothing you can ever say in the War Room has merit, because you turned down a direct challenge. So much so, that people responded to thread addressing your avoiding it as well. No matter what, you can't take that back. The toothpaste has left the tube.* In my eyes, you're forever a kid on the internet that talked smack, and never backed it up. . . Online gaming is full of scrubs like that, so you'll fit in just well. If you wish to challenge me, go ahead and make another thread, as apparently you can't get enough of me on these forums. I'll most likely accept it and we can go from there. I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6415	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:29:00 - [16] - Quote Ben's Gunnlogi vs 8213's double damage modded Sica? Who will win?! :O
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1980	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:11:00 - [17] - Quote 8213 wrote: Hmmm, so you put the "FCK YES" part long afterwards, and I never took the time to go back and check it when you edited it... Funny how you never brought this to my attention all the other times I confronted you about turning down my challenge. Sorry, kiddo, but you avoided the challenge. You can't come around afterwards and take back your original actions. Again, nothing you can ever say in the War Room has merit, because you turned down a direct challenge. So much so, that people responded to thread addressing your avoiding it as well. No matter what, you can't take that back. The toothpaste has left the tube.* In my eyes, you're forever a kid on the internet that talked smack, and never backed it up. . . Online gaming is full of scrubs like that, so you'll fit in just well. If you wish to challenge me, go ahead and make another thread, as apparently you can't get enough of me on these forums. I'll most likely accept it and we can go from there. Lol I just had "What do you think?" Then I added the second part "It's not a yes but a F*CK YES" to clarify maybe 5-6 minutes after the post so lol. You are the one who is avoiding the T-DOME by saying I'm backing down when people with an IQ of above 10 can see I'm not. And I'm sure you recall going what was it 1-14 against Fatal Absolution so you do not deserve to post in the war room and trash talk I've gone positive against AE,NS,ERA what do you have to show for yourself? I'm a carried scrub!
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 541	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:36:00 - [18] - Quote lol tanks talking about skill. Get rid of your I win mods then you can trash talk each other in front of infantry without us giving you silly looks of amusement.
Derrith Erador Arrogance. 1417	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:15:00 - [19] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: lol tanks talking about skill. Get rid of your I win mods then you can trash talk each other in front of infantry without us giving you silly looks of amusement. Actually, the epic crying war of vehicles vs AV is actually, IMO, fixed aside from AV nades. It shouldn't take one swarm launcher or a forger to take on a tank, yet it's not impossible to at least scare the living crap out of them, I forget my point with this, but AV has been balanced now, aside from the obvious nades. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 544	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:21:00 - [20] - Quote AV versus Tank? AV wins. No matter which AV he is, all it takes is a mlt dropship. Tank won't come in any faster then the DS will - and you can get on high ground safely and make the tank QQ how irrelevant he is against a smart infantry. Only reason current AV'ers are crying is because they don't want to go out of there way to position themselves like a sniper would, but the game requires it of you now. And I now have a 4 kats + forge suit. I've been eating tanks left and right as they QQ about a turbo speed forge gun. :)

Derrith Erador Arrogance. 1433	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:23:00 - [21] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: AV versus Tank? AV wins. No matter which AV he is, all it takes is a mlt dropship. Tank won't come in any faster then the DS will - and you can get on high ground safely and make the tank QQ how irrelevant he is against a smart infantry. Only reason current AV'ers are crying is because they don't want to go out of there way to position themselves like a sniper would, but the game requires it of you now. And I now have a 4 kats + forge suit. I've been eating tanks left and right as they QQ about a turbo speed forge gun. :) That.... sounds.... delicious. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1982	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:04:00 - [22] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: lol tanks talking about skill. Get rid of your I win mods then you can trash talk each other in front of infantry without us giving you silly looks of amusement. They took god mode away though it doesn't stop me from going 20+ and 0 most matchs. I'm a carried scrub!
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2042	Posted - 2014.04.01 00:38:00 - [23] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: lol tanks talking about skill. Get rid of your I win mods then you can trash talk each other in front of infantry without us giving you silly looks of amusement. They took god mode away though it doesn't stop me from going 20+ and 0 most matchs. Funny, how before 1.7 you were one of the little kids begging CCP to "fix" your tanks because you were going broke and getting popped too much... Did you make that thread yet, or are you going to avoid it a second time around? You know what, don't bother. You're a kid that's not worth my time. I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1982	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:47:00 - [24] - Quote 8213 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: lol tanks talking about skill. Get rid of your I win mods then you can trash talk each other in front of infantry without us giving you silly looks of amusement. They took god mode away though it doesn't stop me from going 20+ and 0 most matchs. Funny, how before 1.7 you were one of the little kids begging CCP to "fix" your tanks because you were going broke and getting popped too much... Did you make that thread yet, or are you going to avoid it a second time around? You know what, don't bother. You're a kid that's not worth my time. Swarms can't pop me in 7 shots all active mods running on a fully fitted spec'd expensive tank No more can someone Yolo nade me to death with 4 Nades for only 26K isk So I'm happy while it might not be god mode it's not a coffin either. Balance has been achieved (except for tank vs. Tank) I fail to see your humor. you have too many threads about you already I don't feel like making another to boost your draining self-esteem If I'm not worth your time then why did you go out of your way to baselessly call me a scrub, and challenge me to tdome so that you could back down? I'm a carried scrub!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9187	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:51:00 - [25] - Quote Oh for fucks sake you are all supposed to be the top tier players....but you won't ***** stand and fight when you are called out. Man the ** up either one of you. Hell I'll fight one of you in a Tank. C'mon 8213 better to stand, fight, and lose than not fight at all. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1982	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:56:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Oh for fucks sake you are all supposed to be the top tier players....but you won't ***** stand and fight when you are called out. Man the ** up either one of you. Hell I'll fight one of you in a Tank. C'mon 8213 better to stand, fight, and lose than not fight at all. I said I'd Tdome him and every time I've seen a response its a way to dodge the TDOME i'll stand and fight as long as i'm not shooting at air. I'm a carried scrub!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9187	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:04:00 - [27] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Oh for fucks sake you are all supposed to be the top tier players....but you won't ***** stand and fight when you are called out. Man the up either one of you. Hell I'll fight one of you in a Tank. C'mon 8213 better to stand, fight, and lose than not fight at all. I said I'd Tdome him and every time I've seen a response its a way to dodge the TDOME i'll stand and fight as long as i'm not shooting at air. Who gives a . I WANT BLOOD and as player who are supposed to be top tier pros one of both of you needs to step up to fight. Why back down? Why say you can't be bothered with fighting, why deny my blood! Fight you two *** FIGHT! Who gives a ** if you loose. The better tanker will win, and that's how it will be. It makes neither player better or worse than the other, just give closure. Hell name champions to fight for you.....just do something...... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2075	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:19:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Oh for fucks sake you are all supposed to be the top tier players....but you won't ***** stand and fight when you are called out. Man the ** up either one of you. Hell I'll fight one of you in a Tank. C'mon 8213 better to stand, fight, and lose than not fight at all. I challenged him. He rejected it. It challenged him a 2nd time, he avoided it and danced around it. If he doesn't want to fight me, fine. He has the option to refuse, and he exercised... TWICE. If he wants to go back and edit a post he made a few weeks ago to try and look like he didn't back down, good for him. Ironic that I was calling him out about refusing my challenge for 2 weeks until he pointed out that he accepted... well after the fact. Now, idgaf about him or his childish obsession with me. He's rudely intruded on threads of mine that had nothing to do with him, tried to troll a recruitment thread I made, posts the same screenshot of a bad match I had (1. he wasn't part of, and 2. I showed why the match went bad for myself, and the rest of my team), has made 2 threads all about me, but when I openly challenged him... he avoided it. Even Marauder said he avoided it, then he edit his next post long after the thread had been buried to make it look like he accepted... He's just a kid on the internet, who was lucky enough to have enough SP into tanks to join FA's tank crew. . . I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1983	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:56:00 - [29] - Quote 8213 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Oh for fucks sake you are all supposed to be the top tier players....but you won't ***** stand and fight when you are called out. Man the ** up either one of you. Hell I'll fight one of you in a Tank. C'mon 8213 better to stand, fight, and lose than not fight at all. I challenged him. He rejected it. It challenged him a 2nd time, he avoided it and danced around it. If he doesn't want to fight me, fine. He has the option to refuse, and he exercised... TWICE. If he wants to go back and edit a post he made a few weeks ago to try and look like he didn't back down, good for him. Ironic that I was calling him out about refusing my challenge for 2 weeks until he pointed out that he accepted... well after the fact. Now, idgaf about him or his childish obsession with me. He's rudely intruded on threads of mine that had nothing to do with him, tried to troll a recruitment thread I made, posts the same screenshot of a bad match I had (1. he wasn't part of, and 2. I showed why the match went bad for myself, and the rest of my team), has made 2 threads all about me, but when I openly challenged him... he avoided it. Even Marauder said he avoided it, then he edit his next post long after the thread had been buried to make it look like he accepted... He's just a kid on the internet, who was lucky enough to have enough SP into tanks to join FA's tank crew. . . 5 minutes is long after? if anything your dancing around it 0 F*cks given about Marauder he is not relevant in this situation SP doesn't mean Jack Sh!t since MLT is just as effective as Complex a <4mil Tanker is just as effective as a 10mil+ I'm a carried scrub!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9220	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:00:00 - [30] - Quote Both of you suck and are the worst scrubs in the game ...yadda...yadda ....yadda...... corps are rather foolish...etc umm you both smell funny, and your mothers were hampsters! FIGHT ME IF YOU DARE! "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

Chuckles Brown 233	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:10:00 - [31] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2013947#post2013947 The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah? Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014


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