DUST Search - Not all scouts are created equal

BIind Shot wrote:

Rusty Shallows wrote:

BIind Shot wrote:

The reason I made this post is because I speced into minja because I felt it was the strongest scout. Now I know it's the gimpist. I don't want all the scouts to be nerfed or the cloak to be nerfed and make my what I feel is mostly balanced char into something useless.

Just admit it O.P. you ran with scissors as a kid. Every single one of us who specced into Minjas has it in our DNA. I dedicated an entire ALT to the ways of the Shinobi. Although unlike you I knew it was going to be bumpy. Yet I had no other choice. Cool

Concerns over the changes are very valid. It is almost guaranteed something is going to be done in relation to bricking and cloaking. It is very likely no matter the solution Minjas (or any,squishy scout) will get directly or indirectly hit in a bad way. I strongly suggest taking a look in IWSs thread on the topic. If you have ideas post them there. Your position will get better attention than a lone thread that will get bumped to page two or three of the forums within an hour and may go unnoticed because of it.

When it comes to bricking I agree with everyone who says Minmatar Frames don't do it. My Minja started as a Covert Specialist and will never even attempt for the Light Assault role. I will train into Caldari or Gallente Scouts if that style of play is desired.

I'm not saying that they need to brick. I'm worried that ALL the scout suits will be nerfed where only 1 or 2 of them need to be "balanced" and please take your trolls back to your moms house.

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BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 77	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:47:00 - [1] - Quote All fits are Brick fits. Core upgrades,electronics, engineering, passive armor and shields at 5; proto plates and shields. Basic cloak field everything else is militia. G.ko cpu-355/433 pg-97/97 ehp: 989.2 4 complex plates 2 complex shields militia shotgun militia smg militia locus basic cloak http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/dennis_collier1/Brickgko_zpsa0026731.png http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/dennis_collier1/Brickgko2_zps4dcc1515.png A.ko cpu-323/446 pg-89/92 ehp: 1026.7 4 complex plates 2 complex shields Militia shotgun militia smg Basic cloak field http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/dennis_collier1/Brickako_zpsc714fb1a.png http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/dennis_collier1/Brickako2_zpsf4c08a6b.png M.ko cpu-309/480 pg-78/81 ehp: 839.5 3 complex plates 2 complex shields, 1 enhanced Militia Shotgun Basic cloak field http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/dennis_collier1/Brickmko_zps6779a3ef.png http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/dennis_collier1/Brickmko2_zps2513fe16.png C.ko cpu-86/86 pg-363/452 ehp:837 2 complex plates 30/12 4 complex shields 54/11 militia shotgun 35/5 militia locus 12/4 basic cloak field 40/9 No images. The C.ko isn't supported by protofits as of 3/29/14.. Thanks to silverstrike44 for helping with the math.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1957	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:51:00 - [2] - Quote i don't understand. why are you comparing them based off of how much hp they can get? they're SCOUTS. not assaults, not heavies, SCOUTS. ehp is not the only factor in deciding how good a scout is. Anime > EVERYTHING
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 77	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:53:00 - [3] - Quote Just getting all the info out there while the main qq of the day is brick tanking on scouts.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 243	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:54:00 - [4] - Quote Sigh, they QQ'd about the brick-tanked slayer logistics and we got nerfed(not as badly as the flay lock, but its still getting harder to see the yellow on the field). Scouts: Your turn, bend over. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6255	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:58:00 - [5] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i don't understand. why are you comparing them based off of how much hp they can get? they're SCOUTS. not assaults, not heavies, SCOUTS. ehp is not the only factor in deciding how good a scout is. While you do have a point, no Light Frame or Scout should ever be able to reach that level of eHP. Light Frames and Scouts excel in Stealth, Speed, and Electronic Warfare, as well as extreme alpha damage (SGs & NKs); making it the perfect counter to the Heavy Frames & Sentinels . The sacrifice they make for all of this is their eHP. Where do you see the sacrifice? The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 255	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:00:00 - [6] - Quote I hope all the idiots run these brick tanked fits, its so much easier to find you and run right up and blast you away with the shotty.
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:02:00 - [7] - Quote For the record I run a minja with 420ish ehp. No plates 2 kinkats and pg upgrade in lows. So please! Don't tear into my ass for no reason.
Bleeding Knight Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 109	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:12:00 - [8] - Quote Expensive, mediocre speed, can be invisible but can be seen longer running, Why not do that with an assault or commando with better results ?
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4106	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:23:00 - [9] - Quote You do realize that with that set up, you move like a heavy, and have a small chance of OHK anything better than a basic assault..... Fare well my commando's fist of god o7 Patron saint of commandos Ck.0-scout, commando // ak.0- logi (commando soonTM)
Tectonic Fusion 1363	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:24:00 - [10] - Quote Why would you brick tank a Minmatar scout... BIind Shot wrote: No images. The C.ko isn't supported by protofits as of 3/29/14.. Thanks to Silver Strike44 for helping with the math. He's lying to you guys. It's actually in the basic light dropsuits next to the Scout C-1. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:26:00 - [11] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: For the record I run a minja with 420ish ehp. No plates 2 kinkats and pg upgrade in lows. So please! Don't tear into my ass for no reason.
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:29:00 - [12] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Why would you brick tank a Minmatar scout... BIind Shot wrote: No images. The C.ko isn't supported by protofits as of 3/29/14.. Thanks to Silver Strike44 for helping with the math. He's lying to you guys. It's actually in the basic light dropsuits next to the Scout C-1. HEY SCRUB! The Caldari Light frame Ck.o isn't the scout suit.. It's the basic! Check your **** before you call me a liar.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 857	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:41:00 - [13] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Sigh, they QQ'd about the brick-tanked slayer logistics and we got nerfed(not as badly as the flay lock, but its still getting harder to see the yellow on the field). Scouts: Your turn, bend over. The slayer logi was not nerfed at all...logies can still brick tank like hell. Sure the innate rep has gone but If you are running with 1000ehp the 5HP/s (after investing 2.8 mill SP) had an rather symbolic effect. So Logis can (and are) still slayer Logis with lots of HP. And thats ok for me. What we need is a role for assaults they are a litle underperforming right know. This may due to the fact CCP had no time to redo them but apart from that suit balance is really in a good place.
Tectonic Fusion 1364	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:42:00 - [14] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Why would you brick tank a Minmatar scout... BIind Shot wrote: No images. The C.ko isn't supported by protofits as of 3/29/14.. Thanks to Silver Strike44 for helping with the math. He's lying to you guys. It's actually in the basic light dropsuits next to the Scout C-1. HEY SCRUB! The Caldari Light frame Ck.o isn't the scout suit.. It's the basic! Check your ** before you call me a liar. It is on protofits.com EDIT: Scrub? That's soooo 2007... Solo Player Squad status: Locked**
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:44:00 - [15] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Denn Maell wrote: Sigh, they QQ'd about the brick-tanked slayer logistics and we got nerfed(not as badly as the flay lock, but its still getting harder to see the yellow on the field). Scouts: Your turn, bend over. The slayer logi was not nerfed at all...logies can still brick tank like hell. Sure the innate rep has gone but If you are running with 1000ehp the 5HP/s (after investing 2.8 mill SP) had an rather symbolic effect. So Logis can (and are) still slayer Logis with lots of HP. And thats ok for me. What we need is a role for assaults they are a litle underperforming right know. This may due to the fact CCP had no time to redo them but apart from that suit balance is really in a good place. Just last week my good friend silver made gal logi fit because he knew we were getting the respec. He had a fit with a boundless CR with 3 proto damage mods and all proto armor plates. +25% damage and 900armor and +5 passive rep.. SIt on a repping nano hive and just laugh at their attempts.
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:48:00 - [16] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: BIind Shot wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Why would you brick tank a Minmatar scout... BIind Shot wrote: No images. The C.ko isn't supported by protofits as of 3/29/14.. Thanks to Silver Strike44 for helping with the math. He's lying to you guys. It's actually in the basic light dropsuits next to the Scout C-1. HEY SCRUB! The Caldari Light frame Ck.o isn't the scout suit.. It's the basic! Check your **** before you call me a liar. It is on protofits.com EDIT: Scrub? That's soooo 2007... You're right bro. Me and my friend both didn't see it. Didn't see the scroll wheel. I'm sorry. I'll edit and post pics asap.
Rusty Shallows 1318	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:51:00 - [17] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: The reason I made this post is because I speced into minja because I felt it was the strongest scout. Now I know it's the gimpist. I don't want all the scouts to be nerfed or the cloak to be nerfed and make my what I feel is mostly balanced char into something useless. Just admit it O.P. you ran with scissors as a kid. Every single one of us who specced into Minjas has it in our DNA. I dedicated an entire ALT to the ways of the Shinobi. Although unlike you I knew it was going to be bumpy. Yet I had no other choice. Concerns over the changes are very valid. It is almost guaranteed something is going to be done in relation to bricking and cloaking. It is very likely no matter the solution Minjas (or any,squishy scout) will get directly or indirectly hit in a bad way. I strongly suggest taking a look in IWSs thread on the topic. If you have ideas post them there. Your position will get better attention than a lone thread that will get bumped to page two or three of the forums within an hour and may go unnoticed because of it. When it comes to bricking I agree with everyone who says Minmatar Frames don't do it. My Minja started as a Covert Specialist and will never even attempt for the Light Assault role. I will train into Caldari or Gallente Scouts if that style of play is desired. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:54:00 - [18] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: BIind Shot wrote: The reason I made this post is because I speced into minja because I felt it was the strongest scout. Now I know it's the gimpist. I don't want all the scouts to be nerfed or the cloak to be nerfed and make my what I feel is mostly balanced char into something useless. Just admit it O.P. you ran with scissors as a kid. Every single one of us who specced into Minjas has it in our DNA. I dedicated an entire ALT to the ways of the Shinobi. Although unlike you I knew it was going to be bumpy. Yet I had no other choice. Concerns over the changes are very valid. It is almost guaranteed something is going to be done in relation to bricking and cloaking. It is very likely no matter the solution Minjas (or any,squishy scout) will get directly or indirectly hit in a bad way. I strongly suggest taking a look in IWSs thread on the topic. If you have ideas post them there. Your position will get better attention than a lone thread that will get bumped to page two or three of the forums within an hour and may go unnoticed because of it. When it comes to bricking I agree with everyone who says Minmatar Frames don't do it. My Minja started as a Covert Specialist and will never even attempt for the Light Assault role. I will train into Caldari or Gallente Scouts if that style of play is desired. I'm not saying that they need to brick. I'm worried that ALL the scout suits will be nerfed where only 1 or 2 of them need to be "balanced" and please take your trolls back to your moms house.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1413	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:46:00 - [19] - Quote If you used STD level items instead of MLT, you would have extra fitting to get better equipment and weapons there(little known fact, militia and standard level items are pretty much identical, except that militia items take more CPU and PG). Yes, I just helped you make a better bricktank fit. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Mar. 22nd
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:50:00 - [20] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: If you used STD level items instead of MLT, you would have extra fitting to get better equipment and weapons there(little known fact, militia and standard level items are pretty much identical, except that militia items take more CPU and PG). Yes, I just helped you make a better bricktank fit. Some of you obviously misunderstand what I've done... I give up. It's called a variable.. I only plugged in necessary skills for brick tanking. and the militia items only further my argument.. See how the Gal can fit ALL the hp mods AND fit ALL that militia crap?

SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 43	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:01:00 - [21] - Quote Sorry my scout build never uses armor that would defeat the purpose of a scout. I am all speed and that is why I run Cal Scout 3 Complex Shield Extenders 1 Complex Recharge 1 Creo Drone SG 1 Complex stamina 1 Complex KinCat 1 Adv Cloak I do not use the cloak for kills. I use the cloak to sneak past tanks or infiltrate there rear, hack and then I switch to another role and go from their.
Rusty Shallows 1320	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:07:00 - [22] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: BIind Shot wrote: The reason I made this post is because I speced into minja because I felt it was the strongest scout. Now I know it's the gimpist. I don't want all the scouts to be nerfed or the cloak to be nerfed and make my what I feel is mostly balanced char into something useless. Just admit it O.P. you ran with scissors as a kid. Every single one of us who specced into Minjas has it in our DNA. I dedicated an entire ALT to the ways of the Shinobi. Although unlike you I knew it was going to be bumpy. Yet I had no other choice. Concerns over the changes are very valid. It is almost guaranteed something is going to be done in relation to bricking and cloaking. It is very likely no matter the solution Minjas (or any,squishy scout) will get directly or indirectly hit in a bad way. I strongly suggest taking a look in IWSs thread on the topic. If you have ideas post them there. Your position will get better attention than a lone thread that will get bumped to page two or three of the forums within an hour and may go unnoticed because of it. When it comes to bricking I agree with everyone who says Minmatar Frames don't do it. My Minja started as a Covert Specialist and will never even attempt for the Light Assault role. I will train into Caldari or Gallente Scouts if that style of play is desired. I'm not saying that they need to brick. I'm worried that ALL the scout suits will be nerfed where only 1 or 2 of them need to be "balanced" and please take your trolls back to your moms house. My post wasn't a troll. *re-reads his post* In fact I didn't even disagree with you... Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>


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