DUST Search - How to Beat a Scout

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Scout + cloak = blue glowy Scout.

I like the cool semi-transparent-ish skin, but it's not really INVISIBLE, is it?

Still have yet to have any difficulty fighting a cloaked Scout that actually stems from said Scout being cloaked. I've had a couple of deaths to cloaking RE Scouts when they've mined objectives in a manner which exploits a glitch and makes the REs not appear where they were placed. I've had a few deaths where I've gotten into a straight Shotgun duel with a Scout who was cloaked until they realised I knew where they were and also had a Shotgun. I've had a few deaths where I've seen a cloaked Scout, been moving in, but been seen on my approach and caught with a longer-ranged weapon than my own. I've had a few deaths when Scouts (not sure if cloaked or not) have managed to legitimately sneak up behind me, and if they did use the cloak, it certainly didn't hide them from my eyes, because I was looking the wrong way until too late.

I haven't experienced any situation where a cloaked Scout has done something while in my field of view which they couldn't have done just as well without the cloak.

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Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1795	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:16:00 - [1] - Quote * Stick w/ Squad Finally played my first few rounds of 1.8. Scout / Cloak related QQ does not compute.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2065	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:17:00 - [2] - Quote -Use eyes -point and shoot Seems to work for me especially in my STD Gallente Scout (skills at 5)
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 952	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:19:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: -Use eyes -point and shoot Seems to work for me especially in my STD Gallente Scout (skills at 5) They fix the slot layout for Standard Gal yet? Also, I agree. Upgrade your "Eyes" and "Situational Awareness" to Level 5 and you will do fine. I been killed a TON of times using Cloak by people who were actually paying attention. I have also ruthlessly slaughtered countless people who were oblivious to everything around them.
Adell Shinzumakami 60 Revolutions 39	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:20:00 - [4] - Quote Joel II X wrote: -Use eyes -point and shoot Seems to work for me especially in my STD Gallente Scout (skills at 5) Hard to focus attention towards phantoms when you're in the middle of a firefighte I GÖÑ RoadKill Closed BETA vet
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5512	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote Adell Shinzumakami wrote: Joel II X wrote: -Use eyes -point and shoot Seems to work for me especially in my STD Gallente Scout (skills at 5) Hard to focus attention towards phantoms when you're in the middle of a firefighte in that case wouldn't you have been flanked anyway? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1294	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:21:00 - [6] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: * Stick w/ Squad Finally played my first few rounds of 1.8. Scout / Cloak related QQ does not compute. Agreed... I (and those others I know of) tend to first go for the stray sheep or stationary groups who are focused on a particular area (REs). Groups on the move are more likely to survive against a single cloaked scout. A coordinated scout squad may be a different matter though. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5271	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:22:00 - [7] - Quote I was able to run through a group of at least 10 enemies, mostly Heavies, while cloaked with ~100HP left. Eyes are underpowered, plz buff. fuckign casuls
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2067	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:23:00 - [8] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Joel II X wrote: -Use eyes -point and shoot Seems to work for me especially in my STD Gallente Scout (skills at 5) They fix the slot layout for Standard Gal yet? Also, I agree. Upgrade your "Eyes" and "Situational Awareness" to Level 5 and you will do fine. I been killed a TON of times using Cloak by people who were actually paying attention. I have also ruthlessly slaughtered countless people who were oblivious to everything around them. No. The slots are the same, but we DID get the CPU and PG boosts.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4246	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:26:00 - [9] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Scout Registry wrote: * Stick w/ Squad Finally played my first few rounds of 1.8. Scout / Cloak related QQ does not compute. Agreed... I (and those others I know of) tend to first go for the stray sheep or stationary groups who are focused on a particular area (REs). Groups on the move are more likely to survive against a single cloaked scout. A coordinated scout squad may be a different matter though. A coordinated scout squad has always beaten normal squads. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2535	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:39:00 - [10] - Quote Coordinated scout squads were always tough, but with the cloaks its just downright BRUTAL. 4 people just suddenly show up out of nowhere and drop you with magsecs or ACRs? Activate paranoia module... now. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1295	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:41:00 - [11] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Scout Registry wrote: * Stick w/ Squad Finally played my first few rounds of 1.8. Scout / Cloak related QQ does not compute. Agreed... I (and those others I know of) tend to first go for the stray sheep or stationary groups who are focused on a particular area (REs). Groups on the move are more likely to survive against a single cloaked scout. A coordinated scout squad may be a different matter though. A coordinated scout squad has always beaten normal squads. Well, that is true because you are talking about a highly mobile group that can keep up with each other and re-position themselves according to enemy movements. I loved the shotty scout back in beta but was not impressed with the changes that came later. I went to the min assault for Uprising because it seemed a good mix of speed and combat ability but its gimped fitting and the advent of scanners put a lid on that. Canari Elphus for CPM1
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 91	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:42:00 - [12] - Quote map glitch works fine lol . you can see even cloaked scouts on the map . and never you mind on how to do it lol
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 521	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:42:00 - [13] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: * Stick w/ Squad Finally played my first few rounds of 1.8. Scout / Cloak related QQ does not compute. I can just see a squad beating a scout with a stick... We want cake and tea.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1567	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:47:00 - [14] - Quote Gallente Logisitic with Active Scanners... Are Amazing? only 4 seconds they spend dark... If you got two? even better Recruit Scouts into your squad... Or run with a Scout... Nothing better for seeing another scout like another scout.. Precision Enhancement Skill lvl 5 and Complex Precision Enhancers are very cheap fitting... And very effective.. Specially when a Cloaked individuals think they can't be seen, they have no weapon out... they have to switch, and you now have the element of surprise on YOUR side. Scanning is still king... And very viable... It's just changed.. And has always been the #1 disadvantage to any scout.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1599	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:50:00 - [15] - Quote How to beat a Scout? Be a Scout. There's no reason not to unless you're a Heavy. Medium suits are pointless unless your goal is to rep/spam hives or uplinks. Let me play you the song of my people!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2421	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:51:00 - [16] - Quote While I think Cloaks might be borderline OP, some people are downright oblivious sometimes. I can routinely run through huge groups of enemies without them noticing a damn thing. Sometimes I just run the same course over and over, passing through the same group of enemies 2-3 times before they catch on. On the other hand, there are some people that I can't walk 20m behind them without them noticing me. Because of this, I get the feeling that it isn't so much of a problem of cloaks being too good, but more of a problem of people just not being aware enough. I can see any cloaked people unless they are standing still and at least 15m away or in the dark. They aren't invisible, they just have good camouflage. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1568	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:52:00 - [17] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Scout Registry wrote: * Stick w/ Squad Finally played my first few rounds of 1.8. Scout / Cloak related QQ does not compute. Agreed... I (and those others I know of) tend to first go for the stray sheep or stationary groups who are focused on a particular area (REs). Groups on the move are more likely to survive against a single cloaked scout. A coordinated scout squad may be a different matter though. A coordinated scout squad has always beaten normal squads. Well, that is true because you are talking about a highly mobile group that can keep up with each other and re-position themselves according to enemy movements. I loved the shotty scout back in beta but was not impressed with the changes that came later. I went to the min assault for Uprising because it seemed a good mix of speed and combat ability but its gimped fitting and the advent of scanners put a lid on that. Dat Sentinel + comando + logistic squad doe.... Literally can shut down a PC.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 167	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:56:00 - [18] - Quote - Stick with squad - They hate explosives. Mass drivers, grenades and such will slow them down - They cannot take on more than 3 people hence stick with your squad - Outsmarting them is a great counter to their ploy Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4668	Posted - 2014.03.29 17:09:00 - [19] - Quote Scout + cloak = blue glowy Scout. I like the cool semi-transparent-ish skin, but it's not really INVISIBLE, is it? Still have yet to have any difficulty fighting a cloaked Scout that actually stems from said Scout being cloaked. I've had a couple of deaths to cloaking RE Scouts when they've mined objectives in a manner which exploits a glitch and makes the REs not appear where they were placed. I've had a few deaths where I've gotten into a straight Shotgun duel with a Scout who was cloaked until they realised I knew where they were and also had a Shotgun. I've had a few deaths where I've seen a cloaked Scout, been moving in, but been seen on my approach and caught with a longer-ranged weapon than my own. I've had a few deaths when Scouts (not sure if cloaked or not) have managed to legitimately sneak up behind me, and if they did use the cloak, it certainly didn't hide them from my eyes, because I was looking the wrong way until too late. I haven't experienced any situation where a cloaked Scout has done something while in my field of view which they couldn't have done just as well without the cloak.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 67	Posted - 2014.03.29 17:24:00 - [20] - Quote Sneeze on them.

Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4538	Posted - 2014.03.29 17:48:00 - [21] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Joel II X wrote: -Use eyes -point and shoot Seems to work for me especially in my STD Gallente Scout (skills at 5) They fix the slot layout for Standard Gal yet? Also, I agree. Upgrade your "Eyes" and "Situational Awareness" to Level 5 and you will do fine. I been killed a TON of times using Cloak by people who were actually paying attention. I have also ruthlessly slaughtered countless people who were oblivious to everything around them. I believe I've had an "oh ****!" battle with another scout. In other words: we fought by hiding and not firing a single shot for the longest time. Nobody won or lost. I am your scan error.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1064	Posted - 2014.03.29 17:51:00 - [22] - Quote Adell Shinzumakami wrote: Joel II X wrote: -Use eyes -point and shoot Seems to work for me especially in my STD Gallente Scout (skills at 5) Hard to focus attention towards phantoms when you're in the middle of a firefighte Which is the point. The scout waited til you were distracted to strike. Tactics. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 183	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:09:00 - [23] - Quote +1 this post. They are QQing about nerfing the scout because there old style of solo running around is not working verse players with characters build for that. Stick with squad and every scout will QQ (and they will mostly fight each other
HiddenBrother 148	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:21:00 - [24] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: * Stick w/ Squad So I need teamwork to ensure that I am not insta killed by scout shotty? Caldari. Fear, and admiration.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 91	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:22:00 - [25] - Quote yes . i think of scout as hearding dogs in this build lol
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1178	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:22:00 - [26] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: * Stick w/ Squad Finally played my first few rounds of 1.8. Scout / Cloak related QQ does not compute. If you are going against a whole other squad of cloaked scouts just kiss your clones good bye Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 347	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:25:00 - [27] - Quote Look at the shimmer of the cloak or listen to footprints.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 183	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:25:00 - [28] - Quote HiddenBrother wrote: Scout Registry wrote: * Stick w/ Squad So I need teamwork to ensure that I am not insta killed by scout shotty? I think that is the game play they are trying to promote.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1894	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:27:00 - [29] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Scout + cloak = blue glowy Scout. I like the cool semi-transparent-ish skin, but it's not really INVISIBLE, is it? Still have yet to have any difficulty fighting a cloaked Scout that actually stems from said Scout being cloaked. I've had a couple of deaths to cloaking RE Scouts when they've mined objectives in a manner which exploits a glitch and makes the REs not appear where they were placed. I've had a few deaths where I've gotten into a straight Shotgun duel with a Scout who was cloaked until they realised I knew where they were and also had a Shotgun. I've had a few deaths where I've seen a cloaked Scout, been moving in, but been seen on my approach and caught with a longer-ranged weapon than my own. I've had a few deaths when Scouts (not sure if cloaked or not) have managed to legitimately sneak up behind me, and if they did use the cloak, it certainly didn't hide them from my eyes, because I was looking the wrong way until too late. I haven't experienced any situation where a cloaked Scout has done something while in my field of view which they couldn't have done just as well without the cloak. Agreed. Personally i love the clacked scouts - the declacking sound is enough warning to make it a fair fight - it's dem ol'time scouts dat scare the bejezus outta this ol' merc. I support SP rollover.


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