DUST Search - In the new DUST, infantry prices are FAR too high.

Vrain Matari wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

In the old DUST, you could take even an STD suit, and expect to get at most 2 deaths if you're good.

That's no longer the case, unless you're a thale sniper in the redline, there are MANY ways to die where you pretty much have no way to react.
Cloaked shotgunners, HMG's up your but from an LAV driver or someone who just spawned, super tanks that can insta kill you before you can blink, and more and more.

You're expected to die, but your wallet cannot take it.
4 deaths in a good ADV suit means you're not making any money.
4 deaths, that can happen super fast.

I can hear you now:
"But I'm super rich, ISK is lol to me"

True, and that's true to me too, I run with a squad so ISK losses are rare, but think of a new player?
Do you think they can take losing 50k ISK a suit when matches give you 200k per?

That's another reason people brick tank, they don't want to lose their expensive suits without having a say in it, without having the possibility of fighting back.

Ultimatly this doesn't matter to me, I have a lot of ISK and make it easily, but I care about the new players, and running ADV suits to be somewhat competitive against proto suits is not viable for them.
They're forced to switch to MLT suits and have fun being stomped over.

I've been making isk and getting ok results in my sver suit. It's tougher on the lone wolf now to be sure, but still doable.


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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7849	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:42:00 - [1] - Quote In the old DUST, you could take even an STD suit, and expect to get at most 2 deaths if you're good. That's no longer the case, unless you're a thale sniper in the redline, there are MANY ways to die where you pretty much have no way to react. Cloaked shotgunners, HMG's up your but from an LAV driver or someone who just spawned, super tanks that can insta kill you before you can blink, and more and more. You're expected to die, but your wallet cannot take it. 4 deaths in a good ADV suit means you're not making any money. 4 deaths, that can happen super fast. I can hear you now: "But I'm super rich, ISK is lol to me" True, and that's true to me too, I run with a squad so ISK losses are rare, but think of a new player? Do you think they can take losing 50k ISK a suit when matches give you 200k per? That's another reason people brick tank, they don't want to lose their expensive suits without having a say in it, without having the possibility of fighting back. Ultimatly this doesn't matter to me, I have a lot of ISK and make it easily, but I care about the new players, and running ADV suits to be somewhat competitive against proto suits is not viable for them. They're forced to switch to MLT suits and have fun being stomped over. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7849	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:44:00 - [2] - Quote Though this seems to be a symptom of tiers TBH, but I feel like tiercide is far away, so at least reduce prices for now My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7852	Posted - 2014.03.29 15:01:00 - [3] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Do you think they can take losing 50k ISK a suit when matches give you 200k per? what new players run 50 k isk suits? That's the price of an advanced suit with an advanced weapon + advanced equipment and the modules. I tried, they cost around 30k to 70k (70k being with proto modules). My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7852	Posted - 2014.03.29 15:07:00 - [4] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Cat Merc wrote: In the old DUST, you could take even an STD suit, and expect to get at most 2 deaths if you're good. That's no longer the case, unless you're a thale sniper in the redline, there are MANY ways to die where you pretty much have no way to react. Cloaked shotgunners, HMG's up your but from an LAV driver or someone who just spawned, super tanks that can insta kill you before you can blink, and more and more. You're expected to die, but your wallet cannot take it. 4 deaths in a good ADV suit means you're not making any money. 4 deaths, that can happen super fast. I can hear you now: "But I'm super rich, ISK is lol to me" True, and that's true to me too, I run with a squad so ISK losses are rare, but think of a new player? Do you think they can take losing 50k ISK a suit when matches give you 200k per? That's another reason people brick tank, they don't want to lose their expensive suits without having a say in it, without having the possibility of fighting back. Ultimatly this doesn't matter to me, I have a lot of ISK and make it easily, but I care about the new players, and running ADV suits to be somewhat competitive against proto suits is not viable for them. They're forced to switch to MLT suits and have fun being stomped over. I've been making isk and getting ok results in my sver suit. It's tougher on the lone wolf now to be sure, but still doable. Talking about new players here bud. Most of us here can run completely militia suits and still dominate. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7852	Posted - 2014.03.29 15:18:00 - [5] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Though this seems to be a symptom of tiers TBH, but I feel like tiercide is far away, so at least reduce prices for now Imo, it would be enough to raise pub matches pay. But please, not the "isk per second" policy, that's totally broken and easily exploitable. I don't think so. Vehicles are also brought into the mix or price consideration. This will distort too much. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7897	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:01:00 - [6] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: In the old DUST, you could take even an STD suit, and expect to get at most 2 deaths if you're good. That's no longer the case, unless you're a thale sniper in the redline, there are MANY ways to die where you pretty much have no way to react. Cloaked shotgunners, HMG's up your but from an LAV driver or someone who just spawned, super tanks that can insta kill you before you can blink, and more and more. You're expected to die, but your wallet cannot take it. 4 deaths in a good ADV suit means you're not making any money. 4 deaths, that can happen super fast. I can hear you now: "But I'm super rich, ISK is lol to me" True, and that's true to me too, I run with a squad so ISK losses are rare, but think of a new player? Do you think they can take losing 50k ISK a suit when matches give you 200k per? That's another reason people brick tank, they don't want to lose their expensive suits without having a say in it, without having the possibility of fighting back. Ultimatly this doesn't matter to me, I have a lot of ISK and make it easily, but I care about the new players, and running ADV suits to be somewhat competitive against proto suits is not viable for them. They're forced to switch to MLT suits and have fun being stomped over. I thought you were leaving. So............ leave After what, 6 times I told you? You still don't understand? There's a difference between leaving and taking a break. Now go cry about how underpowered your tank is My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7897	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:08:00 - [7] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I run solo and still don't see what's the problem. I make ISK at the same rate as before. I don't have such problems, but you can't deny the battlefield isn't more dangerous than ever. **** happens without you having a fighting chance. Before the only time you don't have a fighting chance is when there's a mass of troops trying to kill you, but those are easy to detect because, well, they're a mass of troops. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7923	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:10:00 - [8] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: In DNS alliance where control of PC and PFC is on their battleplans...but cares about the new players and the ISK they lose. Give me a break dude. Stop hiding your opinions behind "I care about the new players" false front. I wasn't part of the decision to join DNS alliance. I'm with my corp, doesn't mean I support our alliance choice. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7923	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:12:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I call bs. Well, if you play well. I doubt mediums can do well, but lights and heavies can. Actually, now that I think about it, I do well with my starter medic, so I don't know if I should believe you or not. Get, um, what's the word? Grub? Green? Oh, yeah! Get good. You might want to check that I explicitly said I am more than capable of making ISK. And no, that doesn't include PC. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.