DUST Search - Please AV don't be Hypocrites when you complain

Atiim wrote:

Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies.
AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill
They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp.
Looks at jihad-jeeps

When have I ever sat on a tower? The only time I've ever taken the high ground is when I'm fighting Assasult Dropships, or when I'm forced to spawn on the high ground.

Have you ever thought about using an Assault Dropship to kill the AV on the high ground? If you activate your Hardeners & Afterburners, you can reach them without getting shot. Pop in the ROF bonus & Damage Mod and you can kill just about any AVer.

There's also sniping. You can use a Sniper Rifle to kill them. I have to invest in more than one AV item to counter vehicles sufficiently, so why should you get the cake without doing the same?

Jihad Jeeps aren't hard to kill. Heck, usually pointing my Missile Turret in their general direction is enough to OHK the Jeep. If I miss the REs, it hits the driver and usually 1-2HK's him as well.

They also require SP.:

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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners.

So basically it's going to be an actual challenge?

Great.

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Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1968	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:11:00 - [1] - Quote When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies. AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp. Looks at jihad-jeeps I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6347	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:16:00 - [2] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill That's a normal reaction for anybody.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1715	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:21:00 - [3] - Quote The major concept that everyone forgets is we are all infantry. Tankers are little clones in a piece of equipment. Even driving a tank you are AV. Hypocritical is a quality that is acceptable in New Eden. Lying and scheming are the trend. Crying is OP. Who wants some?
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1970	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:21:00 - [4] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill That's a normal reaction for anybody. Yes but if your not going to stand there and get shot I'm not either. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 819	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:25:00 - [5] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill That's a normal reaction for anybody. Yes but if your not going to stand there and get shot I'm not either. Did Spkr hack your account? CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Incin3rate New Age Empire. Legacy Rising 61	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:25:00 - [6] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies. AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp. Looks at jihad-jeeps I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners. I just nerfed you.
iTbagyou Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 252	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:34:00 - [7] - Quote Hell with the hardner nerf, gimme my railgun range back. Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2618	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:35:00 - [8] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies. AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp. Looks at jihad-jeeps I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners. Thats called guerillia tactics. Or as some people call it "hit and run". Its used to defeat overwhelming forces. Jihad LAV's had beeing born from desperation when tanks had "godmode" hardeners. And talking about "jumping back to cover": you tankers are using it aswell. As soon you take too much damage you try to run. And even if you sit on a large tower swarms have not the range needed to be efficent. Forgegunners require a logi who throws nanohives. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2472	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:36:00 - [9] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies. AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp. Looks at jihad-jeeps I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners. Thats called guerillia tactics. Or as some people call it "hit and run". Its used to defeat overwhelming forces. Jihad LAV's had beeing born from desperation when tanks had "godmode" hardeners. And talking about "jumping back to cover": you tankers are using it aswell. As soon you take too much damage you try to run. And even if you sit on a large tower swarms have not the range needed to be efficent. Forgegunners require a logi who throws nanohives. Oh. Fancy that. It's almost like that's what he was saying! ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6249	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:46:00 - [10] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies. AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp. Looks at jihad-jeeps When have I ever sat on a tower? The only time I've ever taken the high ground is when I'm fighting Assasult Dropships, or when I'm forced to spawn on the high ground. Have you ever thought about using an Assault Dropship to kill the AV on the high ground? If you activate your Hardeners & Afterburners, you can reach them without getting shot. Pop in the ROF bonus & Damage Mod and you can kill just about any AVer. There's also sniping. You can use a Sniper Rifle to kill them. I have to invest in more than one AV item to counter vehicles sufficiently, so why should you get the cake without doing the same? Jihad Jeeps aren't hard to kill. Heck, usually pointing my Missile Turret in their general direction is enough to OHK the Jeep. If I miss the REs, it hits the driver and usually 1-2HK's him as well. They also require SP.: Weaponry III Explosives III Demolitions I Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners. So basically it's going to be an actual challenge? Great. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6249	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:47:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Yes but if your not going to stand there and get shot I'm not either. It's not like you have a choice if you use the Breach Forge Gun The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1972	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:58:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies. AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp. Looks at jihad-jeeps When have I ever sat on a tower? The only time I've ever taken the high ground is when I'm fighting Assasult Dropships, or when I'm forced to spawn on the high ground. Have you ever thought about using an Assault Dropship to kill the AV on the high ground? If you activate your Hardeners & Afterburners, you can reach them without getting shot. Pop in the ROF bonus & Damage Mod and you can kill just about any AVer. There's also sniping. You can use a Sniper Rifle to kill them. I have to invest in more than one AV item to counter vehicles sufficiently, so why should you get the cake without doing the same? Jihad Jeeps aren't hard to kill. Heck, usually pointing my Missile Turret in their general direction is enough to OHK the Jeep. If I miss the REs, it hits the driver and usually 1-2HK's him as well. They also require SP.: Weaponry III Explosives III Demolitions I Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners. So basically it's going to be an actual challenge? Great. Whoa there I'm not even complaining about tactics here While I do suck at ADS and have no points into snipers my point wasn't that these were underhand tactics just that it's annoying when people complain about me not just sitting there taking fire when their not willing to do the same. You need those skills for nades right and if you don't have nades that's just sad so it isn't too far off what you would have. Jihad Jeeps are no skill and very little sp yes I have exceptional awareness and kill them most of the time but doesn't mean there any less skill requiring and even the best tankers die to jihad jeeps. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1429	Posted - 2014.03.29 15:08:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies. AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp. Looks at jihad-jeeps When have I ever sat on a tower? The only time I've ever taken the high ground is when I'm fighting Assasult Dropships, or when I'm forced to spawn on the high ground. Have you ever thought about using an Assault Dropship to kill the AV on the high ground? If you activate your Hardeners & Afterburners, you can reach them without getting shot. Pop in the ROF bonus & Damage Mod and you can kill just about any AVer. There's also sniping. You can use a Sniper Rifle to kill them. I have to invest in more than one AV item to counter vehicles sufficiently, so why should you get the cake without doing the same? Jihad Jeeps aren't hard to kill. Heck, usually pointing my Missile Turret in their general direction is enough to OHK the Jeep. If I miss the REs, it hits the driver and usually 1-2HK's him as well. They also require SP.: Weaponry III Explosives III Demolitions I Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners. So basically it's going to be an actual challenge? Great. Tower forging is rather OP. A few days ago there were three tower forgers on two towers on Line Harvest. I pulled my ADS out and I was shot down before I could even begin opening fire. People say they want scopes on their forges; well that's bull crap. These guys could hit you on the other side of the map! These guys, in their two towers, were able to deny the whole map to vehicles without any risk to themselves. And they also had uplinks so they could respawn if they died, which they didn't. If they were able to do that from the ground, I would've been impressed. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN 861	Posted - 2014.03.29 16:06:00 - [14] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: When your about to kill them they just run away like pansies. AV proceeds to sit on tower/hill and jump back whenever shot making him difficult to kill They require no sp and are really hard to kill with tons of sp. Looks at jihad-jeeps I will have to use tanks extensively before I comment on how balanced they are with the recent nerfs though from experience DMG mods are going to be scarry as hell with nerfed hardeners. Running away is a smart thing to do for both AV and vehicles. However vehicles have a much better chance to zoom out danger even in an open area; if an AV tried that at all they'd be cut down by the vehicles in a split second whereas the vehicle can safely take damage the whole time until they're out of range unless they're already about dead. If AV didn't jump back they'd die in a split second to vehicles whereas vehicles can sit there and take a pounding before they have to jump back. The AV is still far easier to kill than the vehicle/ They do require SP to be more than an annoying fly and with tons of SP they're only marginally harder to kill than the fly. You forget damage mods have been nerfed pretty hard as well. From 10% to 5% for the complex; so they're already 50% less effective to begin with then with the stacking penalty (which vehicle hardeners don't have) the 2nd is 4.35%, the 3rd is 2.84%, the 4th is 1.4%, the 5th is 0.52%. Making a grand total of a 13.59% max bonus for the Caldari Heavy and a 14.11% max bonus for the Calogi; for comparison the old max bonus would have been 27.19% for the Caldari Heavy and 28.24% for the Calogi. Armor hardens got are 50% less effective now but shield hardeners are only 34% less effective. So for Armor vehicles damage mods won't make AV anymore of a threat now than before 1.8; however even with damage mods AV and the hardener nerf, AV is still less of a threat to shield vehicles now than before 1.8. Support Orbital Spawns


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