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Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Auris Lionesse wrote:

Thats a lie.
A caldari rr wouldn't have so much range that other rrs can't hit it.
It'd have a wider optimal range and and still gets beat by a laser rifle.
Shotguns need more range as is so that's just another plus.
It's not like he's gonna be out at 200meters killing people lol.
So were up to no explanation, lies and a skill that's no longer in the game lol.

What's a lie?

That giving one suit a range bonus would end up with that suit having longer range than suits without the range bonus? Shocked

Or that when they had a bonus which gave your weapons longer range, it gave a larger advantage than stacking multiple skills which give more damage?

I used the Sharpshooter skill as exactly what you asked for - EVIDENCE THAT IT DOESN'T WORK IN A SHOOTER. The skill was removed from the game BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK IN A SHOOTER. Bringing it back as a suit bonus WOULD NOT WORK EITHER.

So we're up to lies from you, ignorance of facts from you, and denial of valid evidence because it's a skill that got removed when the fact that the skill was removed is proof of the exact point I was bringing it up to prove.

Roll

Also... just looking a bit closer at this part:

Auris Lionesse wrote:

Shotguns need more range as is so that's just another plus.

lolno.

I'm a Shotgun Scout on my most active character (WITHOUT a Cloak, and have been since closed beta) and this is a horrifically and terribly bad idea. If you suck that badly with Shotguns, that's fine. Use a gun which is MEANT to have range.

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HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 688	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:35:00 - [1] - Quote Gal assault bonus only works on assault rifles right? Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5506	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:38:00 - [2] - Quote all plasma weapons. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 303	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:38:00 - [3] - Quote Blaster type weapons, so, assault rifles and the ion pistol only I believe. It's not a horrible bonus if you add in the sharpshooter bonus for both weapons. Your hipfire would be a laser beam of death if you maxed em all out. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2137	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:38:00 - [4] - Quote Sinboto ninja'd in here before me. Damn that Minmatar speed! "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 90	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:38:00 - [5] - Quote Yes, but no. Dispersion doesn't really do much for anything other than the AR and Ion.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 304	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:39:00 - [6] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: all plasma weapons. Bro, do you even ADS a plasma cannon? Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 947	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:39:00 - [7] - Quote It also works for shotguns, for what it's worth. I don't need luck, I have a cloak. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 90	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:39:00 - [8] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Blaster type weapons, so, assault rifles and the ion pistol only I believe. It's not a horrible bonus if you add in the sharpshooter bonus for both weapons. Your hipfire would be a laser beam of death if you maxed em all out. So would the basic rail, with more range, and just as much deeps. I still love my AR though.
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 688	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:48:00 - [9] - Quote Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 948	Posted - 2014.03.29 05:58:00 - [10] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Rail Rifle is rail tech, like the forge gun. It's not a blaster, although the types are similar (but not quite the same). The Rail Rifles gets its bonus from the Caldari stuff. I don't need luck, I have a cloak. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone

Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 149	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:00:00 - [11] - Quote I suppose since no one else has mentioned it I will. The bonus only works for hip fire, so if you think your ADS will be any better the answer is no. Not to mention the difference is hardly noticable if you already had SS V. Vae Victis Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5506	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:01:00 - [12] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: all plasma weapons. Bro, do you even ADS a plasma cannon? I do, force of habit, he asked what it applied to not what it was useful for. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 594	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:30:00 - [13] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Rail Rifle is rail tech, like the forge gun. It's not a blaster, although the types are similar (but not quite the same). The Rail Rifles gets its bonus from the Caldari stuff. In eve gallente use blasters and rails and get a bonus to both. There's no differentiation between the hybrids. In general a Gallente ship does more damage with a blaster or rail And a caldari ship will get more range with a blaster or rail they share hybrids. Dust should reflect this Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 555	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:33:00 - [14] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Rail Rifle is rail tech, like the forge gun. It's not a blaster, although the types are similar (but not quite the same). The Rail Rifles gets its bonus from the Caldari stuff. In eve gallente use blasters and rails and get a bonus to both. There's no differentiation between the hybrids. In general a Gallente ship does more damage with a blaster or rail And a caldari ship will get more range with a blaster or rail they share hybrids. Dust should reflect this Would be nice, however you would just see every gal running around with rr best damage and range , why would you use anything else.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 950	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:34:00 - [15] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Rail Rifle is rail tech, like the forge gun. It's not a blaster, although the types are similar (but not quite the same). The Rail Rifles gets its bonus from the Caldari stuff. In eve gallente use blasters and rails and get a bonus to both. There's no differentiation between the hybrids. In general a Gallente ship does more damage with a blaster or rail And a caldari ship will get more range with a blaster or rail they share hybrids. Dust should reflect this Which works great with the combat in EVE. Which I do enjoy. But doesn't really work here, so it IS different here. I don't need luck, I have a cloak. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4652	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:43:00 - [16] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Rail Rifle is rail tech, like the forge gun. It's not a blaster, although the types are similar (but not quite the same). The Rail Rifles gets its bonus from the Caldari stuff. In eve gallente use blasters and rails and get a bonus to both. There's no differentiation between the hybrids. In general a Gallente ship does more damage with a blaster or rail And a caldari ship will get more range with a blaster or rail they share hybrids. Dust should reflect this Would be nice, however you would just see every gal running around with rr best damage and range , why would you use anything else. But if the CalAssault had a range bonus for hybrid weapons, they'd be able to kill the GalAssault with their longer-range RR before it closed in enough to hit. ...which is exactly why the same dynamic can't be transferred over from EVE. Back to the main topic though, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Assault Rifle and Ion Pistol are all treated as Blaster weapons.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 594	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:46:00 - [17] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Rail Rifle is rail tech, like the forge gun. It's not a blaster, although the types are similar (but not quite the same). The Rail Rifles gets its bonus from the Caldari stuff. In eve gallente use blasters and rails and get a bonus to both. There's no differentiation between the hybrids. In general a Gallente ship does more damage with a blaster or rail And a caldari ship will get more range with a blaster or rail they share hybrids. Dust should reflect this Which works great with the combat in EVE. Which I do enjoy. But doesn't really work here, so it IS different here. This is eve. It's just planetside in fps form. Same universe, same races, same rules. gallente use drones or hybrids. Caldari use missiles or hybrids. The problem with this game is it's not enough like eve. Eve has balance, dust needs to take advantage of this. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 594	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:57:00 - [18] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Rail Rifle is rail tech, like the forge gun. It's not a blaster, although the types are similar (but not quite the same). The Rail Rifles gets its bonus from the Caldari stuff. In eve gallente use blasters and rails and get a bonus to both. There's no differentiation between the hybrids. In general a Gallente ship does more damage with a blaster or rail And a caldari ship will get more range with a blaster or rail they share hybrids. Dust should reflect this Would be nice, however you would just see every gal running around with rr best damage and range , why would you use anything else. But if the CalAssault had a range bonus for hybrid weapons, they'd be able to kill the GalAssault with their longer-range RR before it closed in enough to hit. ...which is exactly why the same dynamic can't be transferred over from EVE. Back to the main topic though, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Assault Rifle and Ion Pistol are all treated as Blaster weapons. That's a joke right? A caldari suit should out range a gallente suit. Theres nothing wrong with that. I've seen two or three people who say it can't work and I've yet to see one valid reason why. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4653	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:57:00 - [19] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: This is eve. It's just planetside in fps form. Same universe, same races, same rules. gallente use drones or hybrids. Caldari use missiles or hybrids. The problem with this game is it's not enough like eve. Eve has balance, dust needs to take advantage of this. Balancing with range and damage bonuses works great in a game where your aim is controlled by AI. It doesn't work so well when players are aiming manually (even with aim assist). That type of balance works in EVE because of how the gameplay works in EVE. Id doesn't work in DUST for the same reason.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4653	Posted - 2014.03.29 07:03:00 - [20] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: That's a joke right? A caldari suit should out range a gallente suit. Theres nothing wrong with that. I've seen two or three people who say it can't work and I've yet to see one valid reason why. Open beta. Level 5 Sharpshooter was god tier compared with using Prototype weapons with Prototype skills to give massive damage buffs. We had longer TTK than we do now, the gap in damage between Standard and Proto was larger, the skills which gave passive damage buffs gave larger buffs than we get now, and applied to both shields and armour instead of just one or the other. In spite of that, having the extra range from Sharpshooter skill was easily enough to tip the balance in favour of a Standard AR fighting against a Prototype model without the Sharpshooter skill. If they give Caldari a range buff for Blaster weapons and Gallente a damage buff, Caldari will have LONG RANGE SHOTGUNS, and will be killing with RR from outside the range anyone else can even hit targets with the same weapon. IT. DOESN'T. WORK. IN. A. SHOOTER.

Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 594	Posted - 2014.03.29 07:07:00 - [21] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: This is eve. It's just planetside in fps form. Same universe, same races, same rules. gallente use drones or hybrids. Caldari use missiles or hybrids. The problem with this game is it's not enough like eve. Eve has balance, dust needs to take advantage of this. Balancing with range and damage bonuses works great in a game where your aim is controlled by AI. It doesn't work so well when players are aiming manually (even with aim assist). That type of balance works in EVE because of how the gameplay works in EVE. Id doesn't work in DUST for the same reason. Do you have an example of it not working in dust or are you just assuming it won't because you don't have an actual explanation for why it wouldn't? Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 594	Posted - 2014.03.29 07:15:00 - [22] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: That's a joke right? A caldari suit should out range a gallente suit. Theres nothing wrong with that. I've seen two or three people who say it can't work and I've yet to see one valid reason why. Open beta. Level 5 Sharpshooter was god tier compared with using Prototype weapons with Prototype s kills to give massive damage buffs. We had longer TTK than we do now, the gap in damage between Standard and Proto was larger, the skills which gave passive damage buffs gave larger buffs than we get now, and applied to both shields and armour instead of just one or the other. In spite of that, having the extra range from Sharpshooter skill was easily enough to tip the balance in favour of a Standard AR fighting against a Prototype model without the Sharpshooter skill. If they give Caldari a range buff for Blaster weapons and Gallente a damage buff, Caldari will have LONG RANGE SHOTGUNS, and will be killing with RR from outside the range anyone else can even hit targets with the same weapon. IT. DOESN'T. WORK. IN. A. SHOOTER. Thats a lie. A caldari rr wouldn't have so much range that other rrs can't hit it. It'd have a wider optimal range and and still gets beat by a laser rifle. Shotguns need more range as is so that's just another plus. It's not like he's gonna be out at 200meters killing people lol. So were up to no explanation, lies and a skill that's no longer in the game lol. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4653	Posted - 2014.03.29 07:24:00 - [23] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Thats a lie. A caldari rr wouldn't have so much range that other rrs can't hit it. It'd have a wider optimal range and and still gets beat by a laser rifle. Shotguns need more range as is so that's just another plus. It's not like he's gonna be out at 200meters killing people lol. So were up to no explanation, lies and a skill that's no longer in the game lol. What's a lie? That giving one suit a range bonus would end up with that suit having longer range than suits without the range bonus? Or that when they had a bonus which gave your weapons longer range, it gave a larger advantage than stacking multiple skills which give more damage? I used the Sharpshooter skill as exactly what you asked for - EVIDENCE THAT IT DOESN'T WORK IN A SHOOTER. The skill was removed from the game BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK IN A SHOOTER. Bringing it back as a suit bonus WOULD NOT WORK EITHER. So we're up to lies from you, ignorance of facts from you, and denial of valid evidence because it's a skill that got removed when the fact that the skill was removed is proof of the exact point I was bringing it up to prove.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 594	Posted - 2014.03.29 07:42:00 - [24] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Thats a lie. A caldari rr wouldn't have so much range that other rrs can't hit it. It'd have a wider optimal range and and still gets beat by a laser rifle. Shotguns need more range as is so that's just another plus. It's not like he's gonna be out at 200meters killing people lol. So were up to no explanation, lies and a skill that's no longer in the game lol. What's a lie? That giving one suit a range bonus would end up with that suit having longer range than suits without the range bonus? Or that when they had a bonus which gave your weapons longer range, it gave a larger advantage than stacking multiple skills which give more damage? I used the Sharpshooter skill as exactly what you asked for - EVIDENCE THAT IT DOESN'T WORK IN A SHOOTER. The skill was removed from the game BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK IN A SHOOTER. Bringing it back as a suit bonus WOULD NOT WORK EITHER. So we're up to lies from you, ignorance of facts from you, and denial of valid evidence because it's a skill that got removed when the fact that the skill was removed is proof of the exact point I was bringing it up to prove. Also... just looking a bit closer at this part: Auris Lionesse wrote: Shotguns need more range as is so that's just another plus. lolno. I'm a Shotgun Scout on my most active character (WITHOUT a Cloak, and have been since closed beta) and this is a horrifically and terribly bad idea. If you suck that badly with Shotguns, that's fine. Use a gun which is MEANT to have range. and will be killing with RR from outside the range anyone else can even hit targets with the same weapon. That's a lie. Admit it. Go on now. And lol no sharp shooter isn't what I'm talking about at all. Your grasping for straws. one suit that sees limited use as is is hardly comparable to a skill that's passive at any given moment. and no having increased range would add variety to fittings which is something this game needs. oh you use shotguns on a scout your cool. Try it on an assault. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*


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