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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2014.03.29 06:43:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Was hoping for rr bonus sigh. Rail Rifle is rail tech, like the forge gun. It's not a blaster, although the types are similar (but not quite the same). The Rail Rifles gets its bonus from the Caldari stuff. In eve gallente use blasters and rails and get a bonus to both. There's no differentiation between the hybrids. In general a Gallente ship does more damage with a blaster or rail And a caldari ship will get more range with a blaster or rail they share hybrids. Dust should reflect this Would be nice, however you would just see every gal running around with rr best damage and range , why would you use anything else.
But if the CalAssault had a range bonus for hybrid weapons, they'd be able to kill the GalAssault with their longer-range RR before it closed in enough to hit.
...which is exactly why the same dynamic can't be transferred over from EVE.
Back to the main topic though, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Assault Rifle and Ion Pistol are all treated as Blaster weapons. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2014.03.29 06:57:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:This is eve. It's just planetside in fps form.
Same universe, same races, same rules.
gallente use drones or hybrids.
Caldari use missiles or hybrids.
The problem with this game is it's not enough like eve.
Eve has balance, dust needs to take advantage of this.
Balancing with range and damage bonuses works great in a game where your aim is controlled by AI. It doesn't work so well when players are aiming manually (even with aim assist).
That type of balance works in EVE because of how the gameplay works in EVE. Id doesn't work in DUST for the same reason. |
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Posted - 2014.03.29 07:03:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:That's a joke right? A caldari suit should out range a gallente suit.
Theres nothing wrong with that. I've seen two or three people who say it can't work and I've yet to see one valid reason why.
Open beta.
Level 5 Sharpshooter was god tier compared with using Prototype weapons with Prototype skills to give massive damage buffs.
We had longer TTK than we do now, the gap in damage between Standard and Proto was larger, the skills which gave passive damage buffs gave larger buffs than we get now, and applied to both shields and armour instead of just one or the other. In spite of that, having the extra range from Sharpshooter skill was easily enough to tip the balance in favour of a Standard AR fighting against a Prototype model without the Sharpshooter skill.
If they give Caldari a range buff for Blaster weapons and Gallente a damage buff, Caldari will have LONG RANGE SHOTGUNS, and will be killing with RR from outside the range anyone else can even hit targets with the same weapon.
IT.
DOESN'T.
WORK.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 07:24:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:Thats a lie.
A caldari rr wouldn't have so much range that other rrs can't hit it.
It'd have a wider optimal range and and still gets beat by a laser rifle.
Shotguns need more range as is so that's just another plus.
It's not like he's gonna be out at 200meters killing people lol.
So were up to no explanation, lies and a skill that's no longer in the game lol.
What's a lie?
That giving one suit a range bonus would end up with that suit having longer range than suits without the range bonus? 
Or that when they had a bonus which gave your weapons longer range, it gave a larger advantage than stacking multiple skills which give more damage?
I used the Sharpshooter skill as exactly what you asked for - EVIDENCE THAT IT DOESN'T WORK IN A SHOOTER. The skill was removed from the game BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK IN A SHOOTER. Bringing it back as a suit bonus WOULD NOT WORK EITHER.
So we're up to lies from you, ignorance of facts from you, and denial of valid evidence because it's a skill that got removed when the fact that the skill was removed is proof of the exact point I was bringing it up to prove.
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