DUST Search - assault should get 2 grenade slots

Kaughst wrote:

Baal Omniscient wrote:

Zirzo Valcyn wrote:

or have their grenade count returned to 3

discuss.

The issue with assaults isn't their grenade count, many don't even use grenades. The issue is that they scale poorly on the damage/HP/survivability scale when stacked against other suits. Scouts have passive damps, speed and easy access to cloaks on their side. Logi's have comparable HP and DPS abilities to assaults, but with the added benefit of 3-4 equipment slots. Heavies range from some having massive amounts of EHP (when calculating in resistances) on some, to others having assault suit speed, all while carrying around either a massive doom cannon or a hulking hellfire sprayer.

The assault is now the middle ground area that has nothing making it special. It's easier to assault things in a Minmatar heavy or cloaked/tanked scout than it is in an ASSAULT suit. That is what needs to be addressed.

Keep your extra 'nades, I want more racial weapon bonuses. They hit on a good thing with these bonuses, giving assault suits a bonus for using each suit's racial weapons of choice. But it's not been expanded enough to make the assault suit stand out from the rest of the pack. Give Minassaults a ROF increase, give Caldari's a ammo increase, give Gallente's an additional CQC damage zone where they do additional damage within 3m and that range is increased by 3m per level, give Amarr's 2% increase to headshot damage per level, give SOMETHING that makes sense. Extra 'nades? Pfft. Roll

Yea...the assault suffers from the 'master of none' trope. The thing is that adding a ROF increase can potentially unbalance what could be a generalist suit or 'go-to' suit and it should remain a model for balance rather than straight up killing power when different roles are introduced in the future.

But like I said, all it would need is a extra low/high based on it's racial type and than give it more CPU/PG to compensate and in return slightly nerf the logi so that they do not compete with the assault suit in slots.

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Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 344	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:11:00 - [1] - Quote or have their grenade count returned to 3 discuss. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:12:00 - [2] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: or have their grenade count returned to 3 discuss. i say both i fought in WW2, viet nam and in near future wars involving robots all in one lifetime just like MGS and COD characters!
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5251	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:14:00 - [3] - Quote Returned to 3, yes, two slots, hell no! fuckign casuls
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2781	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:14:00 - [4] - Quote I can get behind this since it gives a reason to use the damn suit I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:18:00 - [5] - Quote No, I do not agree...We do not need more grenade spam. The assault suit needs more slots and or CPU/PG. If it was a extra grenade slot strictly for AV grenades than I could get behind that...Every assault class should have a way to counter vehicles. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4194	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:27:00 - [6] - Quote Kaughst wrote: No, I do not agree...We do not need more grenade spam. The assault suit needs more slots and or CPU/PG. If it was a extra grenade slot strictly for AV grenades than I could get behind that...Every assault class should have a way to counter vehicles. Yup. CCP just needs to do what they did with scout suits. Give assaults one more slot where each suit needs it most and adjust their stats and or bonuses so they're actually good at something. Assaults are simply in the position that scouts used to be in. I hope CCP just pays attention to why people specced into scouts and logi's to do the slaying and applies that information to balance assaults. Also I'm completely against someone being able to equip both flux and locus grenades. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1374	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:52:00 - [7] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: or have their grenade count returned to 3 discuss. The issue with assaults isn't their grenade count, many don't even use grenades. The issue is that they scale poorly on the damage/HP/survivability scale when stacked against other suits. Scouts have passive damps, speed and easy access to cloaks on their side. Logi's have comparable HP and DPS abilities to assaults, but with the added benefit of 3-4 equipment slots. Heavies range from some having massive amounts of EHP (when calculating in resistances) on some, to others having assault suit speed, all while carrying around either a massive doom cannon or a hulking hellfire sprayer. The assault is now the middle ground area that has nothing making it special. It's easier to assault things in a Minmatar heavy or cloaked/tanked scout than it is in an ASSAULT suit. That is what needs to be addressed. Keep your extra 'nades, I want more racial weapon bonuses. They hit on a good thing with these bonuses, giving assault suits a bonus for using each suit's racial weapons of choice. But it's not been expanded enough to make the assault suit stand out from the rest of the pack. Give Minassaults a ROF increase, give Caldari's a ammo increase, give Gallente's an additional CQC damage zone where they do additional damage within 3m and that range is increased by 3m per level, give Amarr's 2% increase to headshot damage per level, give SOMETHING that makes sense. Extra 'nades? Pfft. MAG ~ Raven I GÖú puppies.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1266	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:54:00 - [8] - Quote How would you switch between grenade types?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3758	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:54:00 - [9] - Quote Increase the nade count back to its original Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Rusty Shallows 1305	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:02:00 - [10] - Quote Hmmmm grenades an offensive weapon. Assault Dropsuits used for assaulting positions. If the second slot is not used then the saved CPU/PG can go towards better mods. A roundabout way of addressing fitting topics. It could work if better Empire related skills cannot be found Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>

Rusty Shallows 1305	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:02:00 - [11] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: How would you switch between grenade types? The evil scroll wheel of course. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1553	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:06:00 - [12] - Quote Assaults just need to ability to fit full proto modules... Like all the other suits. It's better for CCP and the economy aswell... When someone can fit more proto modules on a ADV and Proto suit... they often will and loose more isk... Which is what we need.. The Assault suits struggle to fit almost any combination you would goto... It's always a struggle... and the NUMBER ONE annoying and limiting factor of them.
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2618	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:12:00 - [13] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Assaults just need the ability to fit full proto modules... Like all the other suits. It's better for CCP and the economy aswell... When someone can fit more proto modules on a ADV and Proto suit... they often will and loose more isk... Which is what we need.. The Assault suits struggle to fit almost any combination you would goto... It's always a struggle... and the NUMBER ONE annoying and limiting factor of them. This^ Even with the current general bonus, it is still very difficult to fit my assault suits. My SP GAP carries me.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 173	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:14:00 - [14] - Quote Grenades back to 3, and more High/Low slots Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 ETC- My Initials!!
CRYPT3C W0LF Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 508	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:18:00 - [15] - Quote 2 Grenade slots, extra high and low, more PG and CPU. Possibly another side arm slot would be interesting I Make Youtube Videos!:)
shady merc RisingSuns 44	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:20:00 - [16] - Quote 1grenade slot and 1 tactical launcher slot we can use the launcher to create new tactical grenades. Then every other suit can use either the launcher or a grenade but the assault gets both. If we give warpoints to tactical grenades like scanners get it will also help to give a small boost to assault warpoints generation
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 246	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:20:00 - [17] - Quote Ugh please don't bring grenades back to three this game is finally becoming very enjoyable I really don't think people want to go back to grenade spam 24/7. Maybe we should get another sidearm slot? To help us keep the pressure going when in the front lines, just an idea though. Or maybe if the assault suit has extra left over cpu/pg that can be used as a personal emp pulse that has a long cooldown system and depletes some shield. I don't want a bland extra slot or more grenades have something that makes the assault unique just like all the other suits. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 377	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:45:00 - [18] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: or have their grenade count returned to 3 discuss. The issue with assaults isn't their grenade count, many don't even use grenades. The issue is that they scale poorly on the damage/HP/survivability scale when stacked against other suits. Scouts have passive damps, speed and easy access to cloaks on their side. Logi's have comparable HP and DPS abilities to assaults, but with the added benefit of 3-4 equipment slots. Heavies range from some having massive amounts of EHP (when calculating in resistances) on some, to others having assault suit speed, all while carrying around either a massive doom cannon or a hulking hellfire sprayer. The assault is now the middle ground area that has nothing making it special. It's easier to assault things in a Minmatar heavy or cloaked/tanked scout than it is in an ASSAULT suit. That is what needs to be addressed. Keep your extra 'nades, I want more racial weapon bonuses. They hit on a good thing with these bonuses, giving assault suits a bonus for using each suit's racial weapons of choice. But it's not been expanded enough to make the assault suit stand out from the rest of the pack. Give Minassaults a ROF increase, give Caldari's a ammo increase, give Gallente's an additional CQC damage zone where they do additional damage within 3m and that range is increased by 3m per level, give Amarr's 2% increase to headshot damage per level, give SOMETHING that makes sense. Extra 'nades? Pfft. Yea...the assault suffers from the 'master of none' trope. The thing is that adding a ROF increase can potentially unbalance what could be a generalist suit or 'go-to' suit and it should remain a model for balance rather than straight up killing power when different roles are introduced in the future. But like I said, all it would need is a extra low/high based on it's racial type and than give it more CPU/PG to compensate and in return slightly nerf the logi so that they do not compete with the assault suit in slots. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 333	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:54:00 - [19] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: or have their grenade count returned to 3 discuss. The issue with assaults isn't their grenade count, many don't even use grenades. The issue is that they scale poorly on the damage/HP/survivability scale when stacked against other suits. Scouts have passive damps, speed and easy access to cloaks on their side. Logi's have comparable HP and DPS abilities to assaults, but with the added benefit of 3-4 equipment slots. Heavies range from some having massive amounts of EHP (when calculating in resistances) on some, to others having assault suit speed, all while carrying around either a massive doom cannon or a hulking hellfire sprayer. The assault is now the middle ground area that has nothing making it special. It's easier to assault things in a Minmatar heavy or cloaked/tanked scout than it is in an ASSAULT suit. That is what needs to be addressed. Keep your extra 'nades, I want more racial weapon bonuses. They hit on a good thing with these bonuses, giving assault suits a bonus for using each suit's racial weapons of choice. But it's not been expanded enough to make the assault suit stand out from the rest of the pack. Give Minassaults a ROF increase, give Caldari's a ammo increase, give Gallente's an additional CQC damage zone where they do additional damage within 3m and that range is increased by 3m per level, give Amarr's 2% increase to headshot damage per level, give SOMETHING that makes sense. Extra 'nades? Pfft. Yea...the assault suffers from the 'master of none' trope. The thing is that adding a ROF increase can potentially unbalance what could be a generalist suit or 'go-to' suit and it should remain a model for balance rather than straight up killing power when different roles are introduced in the future. But like I said, all it would need is a extra low/high based on it's racial type and than give it more CPU/PG to compensate and in return slightly nerf the logi so that they do not compete with the assault suit in slots. This is more less the approach my idea takes, giving Assault suits the most module slots of any suit. For the record, it does also include actually giving the Minmatar Assault a second grenade slot. I'm fine with the new grenade count though. Except for AV nades, of course; those definitely need to go back up to 3. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 327	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:55:00 - [20] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Kaughst wrote: No, I do not agree...We do not need more grenade spam. The assault suit needs more slots and or CPU/PG. If it was a extra grenade slot strictly for AV grenades than I could get behind that...Every assault class should have a way to counter vehicles. Yup. CCP just needs to do what they did with scout suits. Give assaults one more slot where each suit needs it most and adjust their stats and or bonuses so they're actually good at something. Assaults are simply in the position that scouts used to be in. I hope CCP just pays attention to why people specced into scouts and logi's to do the slaying and applies that information to balance assaults. Also I'm completely against someone being able to equip both flux and locus grenades. The question is, how would you choose what grenades to through? Would it work like equipment, where you have to choose the item before use? Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...



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