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Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:11:00 -
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... gets you to 23.79 db precision. Here's a list of things that are 23.63 db profile (assuming full skills):
- Any gal scout (no dampeners or cloak)
- Any non-Gal scout with a cloak (no dampeners)
- Any non-Gal scout with a complex dampener (no cloak)
- And probably some other stuff as well
That 0.16 db shortfall really puts me off the enhancers... |
Sum1ne Else
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:13:00 -
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what about a ist of 1 and list of 0 precision enh? (full skills of course)
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:14:00 -
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From what I have read of precision is that it rounds up or down so 23.79 is 24 and 23.63 is 24 and supposedly if the numbers are the same the scanner wins.
Not 100% sure on that to be honest though.
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Louis Domi
Pradox One
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:14:00 -
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http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/221/974 |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:15:00 -
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It depends on how the game rounds the decimals, rounded both values are 24.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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Sum1ne Else
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:17:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/221/974
But You're sacrificing so much tank? Whats the point...250ehp for not to be seen? anymore than 2 on a cal scout seems un-resourceful to me
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Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:18:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:From what I have read of precision is that it rounds up or down so 23.79 is 24 and 23.63 is 24 and supposedly if the numbers are the same the scanner wins.
Not 100% sure on that to be honest though.
Well that would make a big difference. Would be good to have this confirmed by CCP. |
Dingleburt Bangledack
Knights Of Ender
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:21:00 -
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I'm sure Medic is right. I put two Comp Precision Enhancers in my highs (Gal Scout) and I often pick up cloaked scouts. This leads me to believe they aren't running even a single dampener, which makes me lol.
There are also instances when an enemy scout will pop on and off of my tacnet, which means they're using a cloak and one comp dampener. |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:23:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:From what I have read of precision is that it rounds up or down so 23.79 is 24 and 23.63 is 24 and supposedly if the numbers are the same the scanner wins.
Not 100% sure on that to be honest though. Well that would make a big difference. Would be good to have this confirmed by CCP.
I ran with two of those and I saw everyone, I saw lots and lots of cloacked scouts atleast....
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:27:00 -
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The game rounds those figures up, the dB would be at 24 for both. The question is though, which one wins the scanning war when the numbers are equal? Active scanners get a scan if the dB is equal, so I'd assume passive scanning works the same. I'll need to test that with a friend some day.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:28:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:what about a ist of 1 and list of 0 precision enh? (full skills of course)
A Gal scout has baseline of 36 db precision, so can't pick up scouts but picks up pretty much everything else (unless they run dampeners).
A Gal scout with one complex profile enhancer has 28.8 db precision, so they'll pick up non-Gal scouts without cloaks or dampeners.
That's the general shape of things, you can go to protofits.com for more detail. |
Yan Darn
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:28:00 -
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Dingleburt Bangledack wrote:I'm sure Medic is right. I put two Comp Precision Enhancers in my highs (Gal Scout) and I often pick up cloaked scouts. This leads me to believe they aren't running even a single dampener, which makes me lol.
There are also instances when an enemy scout will pop on and off of my tacnet, which means they're using atleast one comp dampener.
I've switch back to one precision enhancers on my gal scout - I wasn't consistently picking up enough cloaked scouts (I'm sure most of these tourists wouldn't 'waste' a low with a damp on min/cal scouts), which lead me to believe that it could depend on how much they have invested in the actual dampening skill...
CCP could do with confirming how their math works once in a while.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:32:00 -
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If you actually fit your suits like scouts and only attack 1 guy at a time it's very easy to get real low deaths, although THA gal is slightly op when you equip two damps, nothing can find you when running a cloak or without ?
I think this puts the cal at a major disadvantage when fighting gal scouts. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:33:00 -
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Precision and dampening numbers round to the nearest whole number.
If the numbers match, then the person is successfully scanned.
Two complex on a Gallente is good for scanning scouts who have only one dampener and are uncloaked, but since most people are attacking from cloak, now, it's of limited benefit. I would rather just switch to a Cal scout than try to go into precision with a Gal scout. |
Dingleburt Bangledack
Knights Of Ender
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:33:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:Dingleburt Bangledack wrote:I'm sure Medic is right. I put two Comp Precision Enhancers in my highs (Gal Scout) and I often pick up cloaked scouts. This leads me to believe they aren't running even a single dampener, which makes me lol.
There are also instances when an enemy scout will pop on and off of my tacnet, which means they're using atleast one comp dampener. I've switch back to one precision enhancers on my gal scout - I wasn't consistently picking up enough cloaked scouts (I'm sure most of these tourists wouldn't 'waste' a low with a damp on min/cal scouts), which lead me to believe that it could depend on how much they have invested in the actual dampening skill... CCP could do with confirming how their math works once in a while.
Right... the dampening skill. Before 1.8 hit, I would see a scout and just assume their dampening skill was maxed out. Guess I need to break myself of that. 
In either case, I'm still bouncing back and forth between dual comp precision enhancers and one enhancer/one extender. |
Stevilovitche
What The French
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:39:00 -
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Gal Scout ( skills maxed)
Without precision enhancer = 36 db
1 complexe precision enhancer = 28.8 db
2 complexe precision enhancer = 21.6 db
You can scan all scouts even cloaked ( except gallente) without damp. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:42:00 -
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Stevilovitche wrote:Gal Scout ( skills maxed)
Without precision enhancer = 36 db
1 complexe precision enhancer = 28.8 db
2 complexe precision enhancer = 21.6 db
You can scan all scouts even cloaked ( except gallente) without damp.
Protofits.com says 23.79 db for 2 complex enhancers. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:51:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Stevilovitche wrote:Gal Scout ( skills maxed)
Without precision enhancer = 36 db
1 complexe precision enhancer = 28.8 db
2 complexe precision enhancer = 21.6 db
You can scan all scouts even cloaked ( except gallente) without damp. Protofits.com says 23.79 db for 2 complex enhancers.
And protofits would be correct. Stevilovitche isn't accounting for stacking penalties. |
Stevilovitche
What The French
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:58:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Stevilovitche wrote:Gal Scout ( skills maxed)
Without precision enhancer = 36 db
1 complexe precision enhancer = 28.8 db
2 complexe precision enhancer = 21.6 db
You can scan all scouts even cloaked ( except gallente) without damp. Protofits.com says 23.79 db for 2 complex enhancers. And protofits would be correct. Stevilovitche isn't accounting for stacking penalties.
My calculator doesn't lie lol
Ok so the stats of protofits are the true stats?
So I follow you guys, protofits are the real truth ^^ |
Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:01:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Stevilovitche wrote:Gal Scout ( skills maxed)
Without precision enhancer = 36 db
1 complexe precision enhancer = 28.8 db
2 complexe precision enhancer = 21.6 db
You can scan all scouts even cloaked ( except gallente) without damp. Protofits.com says 23.79 db for 2 complex enhancers. And protofits would be correct. Stevilovitche isn't accounting for stacking penalties.
I just checked in game and precision enhancers are NOT listed as having stacking penalties. I think they used to have them, and they're listed as having them at dust514.info (which is often out of date). So maybe Stev is right.
Really this information should be in game. If they can provide HP values after modules and skill bonuses on the fitting screen why can't they provide precision and profile info. |
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:01:00 -
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The point of putting 2 precision enhancers on a gal scout is that you can see every 1 trough walls and even cloaked scouts which are not gallente. And with seeing i mean they get a red chevron above their head while still beeing cloaked.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:02:00 -
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Stevilovitche wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Stevilovitche wrote:Gal Scout ( skills maxed)
Without precision enhancer = 36 db
1 complexe precision enhancer = 28.8 db
2 complexe precision enhancer = 21.6 db
You can scan all scouts even cloaked ( except gallente) without damp. Protofits.com says 23.79 db for 2 complex enhancers. And protofits would be correct. Stevilovitche isn't accounting for stacking penalties. My calculator doesn't lie lol Ok so the stats of protofits are the true stats? So I follow you guys, protofits are the real truth ^^
Actually I think you might be right (see post I just made). |
zzZaXxx
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:07:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:... gets you to 23.79 db precision. Here's a list of things that are 23.63 db profile (assuming full skills):
- Any gal scout (no dampeners or cloak)
- Any non-Gal scout with a cloak (no dampeners)
- Any non-Gal scout with a complex dampener (no cloak)
- And probably some other stuff as well
That 0.16 db shortfall really puts me off the enhancers...
It's a shame you did all that math just to be so wrong.
x2 Complex Precision Enhancer + Lvl 5 Precision Skill = 0.5 increase in precision (0.2 + 0.2 + 0.1)
So your precision would be 20. So don't worry. You're still OP. Enjoy. |
Stevilovitche
What The French
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:08:00 -
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No problem
If a dev can confirm it, because this is very important. |
Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:09:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:... gets you to 23.79 db precision. Here's a list of things that are 23.63 db profile (assuming full skills):
- Any gal scout (no dampeners or cloak)
- Any non-Gal scout with a cloak (no dampeners)
- Any non-Gal scout with a complex dampener (no cloak)
- And probably some other stuff as well
That 0.16 db shortfall really puts me off the enhancers...
The game rounds to the nearest whole number.
The 23.79Db becomes 24Db
That 23.63Db becomes 24Db
House rules: the Scanner always wins.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:14:00 -
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Stacking penalties apply to dampeners despite not being noted as such (confirmed to me by a GM through ticket). It'd be very odd if precision enhancement were exempt. |
XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:18:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:Louis Domi wrote:http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/221/974 But You're sacrificing so much tank? Whats the point...250ehp for not to be seen? anymore than 2 on a cal scout seems un-resourceful to me
well, I'll tell ya. being able too se people is th whole point. With the cloak HP doesnt matter as much unless you are planning on playing your scout as an assault.
I have proto scouts but mostly play with my std scout with 2 complex range extenders. It gets me by unless the have lots of cal scouts finding me. Of course you have to be carefull, but I much more play a scout than a wannabe scout tanked like an assault. For that I might have well skilled into in an assault suit.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:54:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:... gets you to 23.79 db precision. Here's a list of things that are 23.63 db profile (assuming full skills):
- Any gal scout (no dampeners or cloak)
- Any non-Gal scout with a cloak (no dampeners)
- Any non-Gal scout with a complex dampener (no cloak)
- And probably some other stuff as well
That 0.16 db shortfall really puts me off the enhancers... It's a shame you did all that math just to be so wrong. x2 Complex Precision Enhancer + Lvl 5 Precision Skill = 0.5 increase in precision (0.2 + 0.2 + 0.1) So your precision would be 20. So don't worry. You're still OP. Enjoy.
I just took the numbers from protofits. Your answer is the third in this thread. Hopefully we'll get a dev/GM to clear this up. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:57:00 -
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Go caldari scout if you want to get precision.
Assassination is my thing.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:00:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Stevilovitche wrote:Gal Scout ( skills maxed)
Without precision enhancer = 36 db
1 complexe precision enhancer = 28.8 db
2 complexe precision enhancer = 21.6 db
You can scan all scouts even cloaked ( except gallente) without damp. Protofits.com says 23.79 db for 2 complex enhancers. And protofits would be correct. Stevilovitche isn't accounting for stacking penalties. I just checked in game and precision enhancers are NOT listed as having stacking penalties. I think they used to have them, and they're listed as having them at dust514.info (which is often out of date). So maybe Stev is right. Really this information should be in game. If they can provide HP values after modules and skill bonuses on the fitting screen why can't they provide precision and profile info.
A dev confirmed it previously that precision enhancers, profile dampeners, codebreakers and well, everything that uses percentages has stacking penalties.
I use 2 complex precision enhancers with 2-3 complex range amps and see pretty much everyone all the time.
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:00:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:... gets you to 23.79 db precision. Here's a list of things that are 23.63 db profile (assuming full skills):
- Any gal scout (no dampeners or cloak)
- Any non-Gal scout with a cloak (no dampeners)
- Any non-Gal scout with a complex dampener (no cloak)
- And probably some other stuff as well
That 0.16 db shortfall really puts me off the enhancers...
Nope.
Both dB's round up to 24
And the Tie goes to the scanner.
You can scan everyone you just listed.
You're welcome
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:03:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:... gets you to 23.79 db precision. Here's a list of things that are 23.63 db profile (assuming full skills):
- Any gal scout (no dampeners or cloak)
- Any non-Gal scout with a cloak (no dampeners)
- Any non-Gal scout with a complex dampener (no cloak)
- And probably some other stuff as well
That 0.16 db shortfall really puts me off the enhancers... It's a shame you did all that math just to be so wrong. x2 Complex Precision Enhancer + Lvl 5 Precision Skill = 0.5 increase in precision (0.2 + 0.2 + 0.1) So your precision would be 20. So don't worry. You're still OP. Enjoy.
It's a shame you came here to be all condescending and it turns out you a) don't understand that this game multiplies bonuses rather than adding them and b) stacking penalties apply to each consecutive percentage based module of the same type.
Why don't you take your looking-down-your-nose attitude to Dust-Uni and learn something useful?
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:06:00 -
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FYI - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1446048#post1446048
GM Scotsman wrote:Precision Enhancers, Profile Dampeners and Range Amplifiers all incur stacking penalties.
I appreciate that not all modules mention this in the description field of the information box, but this is something being looked at.
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Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:14:00 -
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That clears that up. Thanks! |
dullrust
Subsonic Synthesis
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:27:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Stevilovitche wrote:Gal Scout ( skills maxed)
Without precision enhancer = 36 db
1 complexe precision enhancer = 28.8 db
2 complexe precision enhancer = 21.6 db
You can scan all scouts even cloaked ( except gallente) without damp. Protofits.com says 23.79 db for 2 complex enhancers. And protofits would be correct. Stevilovitche isn't accounting for stacking penalties. I just checked in game and precision enhancers are NOT listed as having stacking penalties. I think they used to have them, and they're listed as having them at dust514.info (which is often out of date). So maybe Stev is right. Really this information should be in game. If they can provide HP values after modules and skill bonuses on the fitting screen why can't they provide precision and profile info.
CCP has been repeatedly asked, begged, threatened, even attempted bribery. This has been since the game began. All to actually put all stats on the fitting screen. And to have them update as changes occur.
As to them not changing item descriptions to actually reflect all its effects. Again has been asked for from the beginning of the game. It is strange that both of these things seem to be beyond their capabilities.
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zzZaXxx
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:16:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:... gets you to 23.79 db precision. Here's a list of things that are 23.63 db profile (assuming full skills):
- Any gal scout (no dampeners or cloak)
- Any non-Gal scout with a cloak (no dampeners)
- Any non-Gal scout with a complex dampener (no cloak)
- And probably some other stuff as well
That 0.16 db shortfall really puts me off the enhancers... It's a shame you did all that math just to be so wrong. x2 Complex Precision Enhancer + Lvl 5 Precision Skill = 0.5 increase in precision (0.2 + 0.2 + 0.1) So your precision would be 20. So don't worry. You're still OP. Enjoy. It's a shame you came here to be all condescending and it turns out you don't understand a) that this game multiplies bonuses rather than adding them and b) stacking penalties apply to each consecutive percentage based module of the same type. Why don't you take your looking-down-your-nose attitude to Dust-Uni and learn something useful?
aaaaaaaah snap! Welp, I stand corrected. I had no idea about the stacking penalties! As for the multiplied bonuses are you saying they work just like hardeners in EVE?
As for condescension, well the forums are the only place I get to be a smart a$$! It's kind of fun...but I could stop. Maybe it evens out if others stomp me when I'm wrong?  |
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