DUST Search - I hate to say it, but 1.6 may have been better...

MarasdF Loron wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times.

Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time.

Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive.

Give AV back its 1.6 stats and then we'll talk.

The context of this post is in 1.6....

I did mention that the only changes we needed were the current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration.

Yes, but you also put the 1.6 and 1.8 HP/resist stats next to each other in a thread called 'I hate to say it, but 1.6 may have been better', which implied that you thought that 1.6 was better. Since you seem to be a vehicle user, people assumed you meant 'better for vehicles'.

You also did NOT say that under your plan AV would stay as it was in 1.6. So people assumed you meant that AV would stay in its nerfed state. Hence the responses you received.

I think what you meant was something like 'I favour 1.6 vehicle/AV balance but with current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration'. But that isn't what you said, and it's only from your subsequent posts that I've been able to work that out.

Then how come I understood right away exactly what he meant?

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Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1416	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:52:00 - [1] - Quote Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 44	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:54:00 - [2] - Quote But the kids like to whine when a Tank is hard to kill... Like it's some kind of... Well tank. xD G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Heavy
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1158	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:58:00 - [3] - Quote Large missiles suck now, too. Still pushing for my EM variant. Me in my ADS: 1,2
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2663	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:59:00 - [4] - Quote People are focusing on EHP and DPS far too much. The flow of the game is much more complicated than DPS vs EHP. This build is looking to be a massive step in the right direction for the bigger picture. Hail Satan
Piercing Serenity Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 585	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:01:00 - [5] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. That sounds like "Waves of opportunity" to me DUST 514 BETA VET 16.2M Lifetime SP SH4T --> PFBHz --> PFB --> SH4T --> Fatal
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1416	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:13:00 - [6] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Harpyja wrote: Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. That sounds like "Waves of opportunity" to me It's not if performance during the "wave of opportunity" is equal to or sub-par to that before 1.7. Also, did infantry cry that they couldn't solo tanks before 1.7, even though tank performance was higher than it currently is now? Either give me back my 60% resistance or screw "waves of opportunity" and go back to how it was before. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 391	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Dude, Chromosome Beta build WAS better. I have been saying this for about a year and I still maintain that.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 936	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:16:00 - [8] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. Give AV back its 1.6 stats and then we'll talk.
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN 848	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:17:00 - [9] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: But the kids like to whine when a Tank is hard to kill... Like it's some kind of... Well tank. xD The kids like to whine about their tanks being killed by one or two people because they think that because it's called a tank it should take at least 1/3rd of the enemy team half a match to take out Tanks aren't hard to kill with a weapon designed to kill them. On that note AV is still drastically nerfed from what it was in 1.6 and will remain only a minor threat at most. Support Orbital Spawns
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 889	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:23:00 - [10] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. Blame the triple hardener stacking neckbearded tryhards for you current condition. Tankers made their bed... now they get to lay in it... Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3129	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:34:00 - [11] - Quote Vehicles were better when we had options So far we have lost skills while it takes more SP to skill up now, we have lost mods and slots on vehicles which means more of the same fits about and less variety, we have lost vehicles, we have lost turrets When i look at EVE any ship i have can be fitted in a variety of ways and once DUST was the same with vehicles Intelligence is OP
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2258	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:35:00 - [12] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. but all av that could of killed you is gone, how does that factor into your equation?
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 225	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:39:00 - [13] - Quote dent 308 wrote: People are focusing on EHP and DPS far too much. The flow of the game is much more complicated than DPS vs EHP. This build is looking to be a massive step in the right direction for the bigger picture. Glad I'm not the only one who understands...... LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1416	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:45:00 - [14] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Harpyja wrote: Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. Give AV back its 1.6 stats and then we'll talk. The context of this post is in 1.6.... I did mention that the only changes we needed were the current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 225	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:45:00 - [15] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: But the kids like to whine when a Tank is hard to kill... Like it's some kind of... Well tank. xD The kids like to whine about their tanks being killed by one or two people because they think that because it's called a tank it should take at least 1/3rd of the enemy team half a match to take out Tanks aren't hard to kill with a weapon designed to kill them. On that note AV is still drastically nerfed from what it was in 1.6 and will remain only a minor threat at most. Infantry has to be able to do more to a tank than make the pilot laugh. Seriously, we was just knocking dirt loose with our swarms and buffing the hull with forge guns. As long as your not derpa derpa with your tank it is still a force. Get over yourself Mortishai Belmont. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1250	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:47:00 - [16] - Quote oh noes the crutch is slowly getting balanced, who would guess that would happen. finally CCP sorts out all the tank scrubs beside that AV got nerfed accross the board in 1.7 and tank costs alot less isk now. yeah 1.6 is totally "better" in that regard.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 677	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:49:00 - [17] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Piercing Serenity wrote: Harpyja wrote: Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. That sounds like "Waves of opportunity" to me It's not if performance during the "wave of opportunity" is equal to or sub-par to that before 1.7. Also, did infantry cry that they couldn't solo tanks before 1.7, even though tank performance was higher than it currently is now? Either give me back my 60% resistance or screw "waves of opportunity" and go back to how it was before. You seem to forget that now i can't put a forge round with +20%+PROF 5 in your shield every 1,8 Sec.... Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11869	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:06:00 - [18] - Quote Except AV is vastly less effective. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1417	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:12:00 - [19] - Quote Why do you all keep thinking I want 1.6 vehicles in the current build? What part of "1.6 may have been better" do you not understand? 1.6 includes everything that ever was 1.6, so stop saying "but AV is ineffective now," that has nothing to do with the topic here "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 942	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:36:00 - [20] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Harpyja wrote: Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. Give AV back its 1.6 stats and then we'll talk. The context of this post is in 1.6.... I did mention that the only changes we needed were the current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration. Yes, but you also put the 1.6 and 1.8 HP/resist stats next to each other in a thread called 'I hate to say it, but 1.6 may have been better', which implied that you thought that 1.6 was better. Since you seem to be a vehicle user, people assumed you meant 'better for vehicles'. Hence the responses you received. I think what you meant was something like 'I favour 1.6 vehicle/AV balance but with current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration'. But that isn't what you said, and it's only from your subsequent posts that I've been able to work that out.

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3777	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:38:00 - [21] - Quote Daydreaming about the exes is always a exercise in wasted energy and thought... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 595	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:41:00 - [22] - Quote 1.6 was the closest we got to tank balance. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 67	Posted - 2014.03.29 10:46:00 - [23] - Quote The need to hurry and release the Amarr and Minmatar turrets and vehicles. It would be nice if the turret operation skill tree was set up just like the gunnery skill tree in eve online. I don't even know why I bother.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 282	Posted - 2014.03.29 11:22:00 - [24] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Harpyja wrote: Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. Blame the triple hardener stacking neckbearded tryhards for you current condition. Tankers made their bed... now they get to lay in it... We didn't ask for this, we didn't ask for any drastic changes. All we wanted was some slight tweaking and rendering fixed. calisk galern wrote: but all av that could of killed you is gone, how does that factor into your equation? Some of it was nerfed yeah, but those that weren't nerfed became one-shot-kill weapons. Jack McReady wrote: oh noes the crutch is slowly getting balanced, who would guess that would happen. finally CCP sorts out all the tank scrubs beside that AV got nerfed accross the board in 1.7 and tank costs alot less isk now. yeah 1.6 is totally "better" in that regard. 1.6 was better in every regard except rendering. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 282	Posted - 2014.03.29 11:30:00 - [25] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Harpyja wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Harpyja wrote: Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. Give AV back its 1.6 stats and then we'll talk. The context of this post is in 1.6.... I did mention that the only changes we needed were the current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration. Yes, but you also put the 1.6 and 1.8 HP/resist stats next to each other in a thread called 'I hate to say it, but 1.6 may have been better', which implied that you thought that 1.6 was better. Since you seem to be a vehicle user, people assumed you meant 'better for vehicles'. You also did NOT say that under your plan AV would stay as it was in 1.6. So people assumed you meant that AV would stay in its nerfed state. Hence the responses you received. I think what you meant was something like 'I favour 1.6 vehicle/AV balance but with current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration'. But that isn't what you said, and it's only from your subsequent posts that I've been able to work that out. Then how come I understood right away exactly what he meant? R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 943	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:46:00 - [26] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Harpyja wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Harpyja wrote: Pre 1.7, I had what, about 5900 or 6100 shield and 37% passive resists at all times. Now I'll have 5300 shield and 40% active resists 6/13 of the time at most with 0% resists more than 7/13 of the time. Even though missiles and shield tanks sucked in 1.6, we only needed the changes in 1.7 done to shield boosters, missiles, and shield tank acceleration to make shield tanks and missiles competitive. Give AV back its 1.6 stats and then we'll talk. The context of this post is in 1.6.... I did mention that the only changes we needed were the current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration. Yes, but you also put the 1.6 and 1.8 HP/resist stats next to each other in a thread called 'I hate to say it, but 1.6 may have been better', which implied that you thought that 1.6 was better. Since you seem to be a vehicle user, people assumed you meant 'better for vehicles'. You also did NOT say that under your plan AV would stay as it was in 1.6. So people assumed you meant that AV would stay in its nerfed state. Hence the responses you received. I think what you meant was something like 'I favour 1.6 vehicle/AV balance but with current missile, shield booster, and shield tank acceleration'. But that isn't what you said, and it's only from your subsequent posts that I've been able to work that out. Then how come I understood right away exactly what he meant? Maybe infantry read it one way, tankers another? I wasnt the only one that read it like that. Anyway, it doesnt matter now we're all on the same page. I actually think the idea of 1.6 but with buffs to shield and missile tanks isnt a bad one. Will never happen tho.
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 81	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:06:00 - [27] - Quote (sprinting to the nearest QQ)SOMEONE TOLD ME THERE WAS A POST WITH TANKER TEARS SO I RAN STRAIGHT OVER!!!!!!!! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ watches a scout activate cloak and laughes, i can still see you dummy.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4955	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:08:00 - [28] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: But the kids like to whine when a Tank is hard to kill... Like it's some kind of... Well tank. xD The kids like to whine about their tanks being killed by one or two people because they think that because it's called a tank it should take at least 1/3rd of the enemy team half a match to take out Tanks aren't hard to kill with a weapon designed to kill them. On that note AV is still drastically nerfed from what it was in 1.6 and will remain only a minor threat at most. The people who whine about multiple players working together to take them out are stupid and no one should pay any attention to them. I lost a Dropship one time as a guy who was using a Militia Forge just kept shooting at me near the "three tower" entrance to the Research Lab. He couldn't get through my shield, so I engaged him, had him almost dead, and promptly died in one shot to a Wyrkomi Breach Forge his Corpmate fired from inside the main lab structure, where he couldn't have gotten a shot without his friend acting as bait Did that **** me off? Not even slightly. I love it when people coordinate like that and work to outsmart me. That Breach Forge wouldn't have been able to take me out if I wasn't saving my Hardener for a bigger threat, which I didn't know was there thanks to their good tactics. Yes, I've stopped using multiple Hardeners. Post hotfix I don't use Hardeners at all anymore, and simply use an Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender and Damage Mod. I actually took a fit like that into a PC match yesterday and got several kills, and even evaded getting taken out by a few railtanks. The bottom line is that no one likes to get soloed by something they can't see or fight back against, like getting insta-gibbed by invisible scouts, or shredded with 5 rounds from a pre-1.8 Rail Rifle, or losing your well-fit Madrugar or Gunnlogi to a Sica with two Damage Mods, a Railgun, and no tank whatsoever. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1721	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:19:00 - [29] - Quote I think you just like crying. I find tanking is even better since the hardener nerfs. My ion cannon shreds tanks super fast. Then I can get back to killing infantry. Who wants some?
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1433	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:35:00 - [30] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: I think you just like crying. I find tanking is even better since the hardener nerfs. My ion cannon shreds tanks super fast. Then I can get back to killing infantry. I seek balance. And look at you, of course you love the hardener nerf because your ion cannon can once again kill everything in its path. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32



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