DUST Search - on the topic of brick tanked cloaked scouts

Mossellia Delt wrote:

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

The true issue here is that a scout is supposed to be weak when detected: it's why we have so little health to start with.

I quite honestly need all my slots to add my range extenders, my precision enhancers, my damps, and maybe one armor slot or extra reps. I don't think we should nerf the slot layout it just got good.

However when you are brick tanked and cloaked: you have the advantage of stealth and at the same time health for when you are caught.

The two should not meet like the currently do, it should be more of a one or the other approach.

Bojo has the answer: Find a way to punish scouts who are caught while cloaked. That way the cloak has a disadvantage when used improperly, i.e. a scout must wait on the cloak to finish shutting down before a weapon can be drawn.

Cal scouts would break all others then.

Honestly, biotic and wear mods just need to look better. Or cause the basic armour plate type, not Ferros or reactive to have an added movement speed loss on light frames.

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Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1102	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:21:00 - [1] - Quote How do we fix this? Delt has the awnser , make non tanking modules USEFUL! And get the try hard mentality out of the game. You think real scout players are brick tanking scouts? No its the fotm chasers, us real scouts have suffered for so much broken crap and we finally become helpful in PC and everyone bitches and moans. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 466	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:28:00 - [2] - Quote Assault suits need an extra high and low slot. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1102	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:30:00 - [3] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Assault suits need an extra high and low slot. Edit: Heavies shouldn't have a problem slaughtering these Freaks of the Month Heavies with any situational awareness don't, if been running a min sentinel along with my min scout, even bricktanked scouts die from a single burst of my HMG. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3667	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:59:00 - [4] - Quote The true issue here is that a scout is supposed to be weak when detected: it's why we have so little health to start with. I quite honestly need all my slots to add my range extenders, my precision enhancers, my damps, and maybe one armor slot or extra reps. I don't think we should nerf the slot layout it just got good. However when you are brick tanked and cloaked: you have the advantage of stealth and at the same time health for when you are caught. The two should not meet like the currently do, it should be more of a one or the other approach. Bojo has the answer: Find a way to punish scouts who are caught while cloaked. That way the cloak has a disadvantage when used improperly, i.e. a scout must wait on the cloak to finish shutting down before a weapon can be drawn.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1103	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:04:00 - [5] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: The true issue here is that a scout is supposed to be weak when detected: it's why we have so little health to start with. I quite honestly need all my slots to add my range extenders, my precision enhancers, my damps, and maybe one armor slot or extra reps. I don't think we should nerf the slot layout it just got good. However when you are brick tanked and cloaked: you have the advantage of stealth and at the same time health for when you are caught. The two should not meet like the currently do, it should be more of a one or the other approach. Bojo has the answer: Find a way to punish scouts who are caught while cloaked. That way the cloak has a disadvantage when used improperly, i.e. a scout must wait on the cloak to finish shutting down before a weapon can be drawn. Cal scouts would break all others then. Honestly, biotic and wear mods just need to look better. Or cause the basic armour plate type, not Ferros or reactive to have an added movement speed loss on light frames. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 885	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:04:00 - [6] - Quote Not a fan of brick tanking my Scout suit. I play an eWAR suit, but if I wanted to do so I am damn well within my rights. No one should have the ability to dictate a style of play upon another person. The ability to customize any role to suit your needs is part of the attraction of this game. Remove that and you have a pile of buggy code.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12674	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:07:00 - [7] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Bojo has the answer: Find a way Really tired and wandering out, this just amused me. "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1103	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:08:00 - [8] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Not a fan of brick tanking my Scout suit. I play an eWAR suit, but if I wanted to do so I am damn well within my rights. No one should have the ability to dictate a style of play upon another person. The ability to customize any role to suit your needs is part of the attraction of this game. Remove that and you have a pile of buggy code. Not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying it shouldn't be the best way to fit a scout, or even a favorable one. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1291	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:11:00 - [9] - Quote One thing to bear in mind is active scanners are buggy (at least that's what I've read). Making Gal logis a more viable counter to scouts not running damps should create more incentive for less bricked fits. There's no advantage if your cloaked, brick-tanked scout gets lit up like a Christmas tree. It will be chewed to pieces from range. Best PvE idea ever!
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 886	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:16:00 - [10] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: BARDAS wrote: Not a fan of brick tanking my Scout suit. I play an eWAR suit, but if I wanted to do so I am damn well within my rights. No one should have the ability to dictate a style of play upon another person. The ability to customize any role to suit your needs is part of the attraction of this game. Remove that and you have a pile of buggy code. Not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying it shouldn't be the best way to fit a scout, or even a favorable one. Honestly, I don't think it is... at least for me. I tried it at first to see what people were talking about and I did worse than my current ewar fitting. Invisible to everyone on radar, can see everyone, and can easily move into position w/ cloak to land glorious shotgun headshots directly to the back of the head.

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1669	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:18:00 - [11] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Not a fan of brick tanking my Scout suit. I play an eWAR suit, but if I wanted to do so I am damn well within my rights. No one should have the ability to dictate a style of play upon another person. The ability to customize any role to suit your needs is part of the attraction of this game. Remove that and you have a pile of buggy code. Amen, I run a Gal scout on my scout char. That is all save for previously only speccing up to wear my BPO Raven suit for fun because I paid for it. I use the scout for what it is supposed to be, not as a cheap assassin suit. Ninja mode is only a playstyle. I brick when I want to run as a simple shoot to kill or sniper and ewar it when I want to infiltrate. It is the only suit I care to put points in and was the only Gal suit when I started the game. I knew the cloak was just going to bring the role down further as FOTM and also put more emphasis than has already been placed on running as a ninja assassin. "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 938	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:44:00 - [12] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: How do we fix this? Delt has the awnser , make non tanking modules USEFUL! And get the try hard mentality out of the game. You think real scout players are brick tanking scouts? No its the fotm chasers, us real scouts have suffered for so much broken crap and we finally become helpful in PC and everyone bitches and moans. The "real scouts" I play with -- including two that are quite a bit better than you, with all due respefct -- are brick tanking their scouts AND using the cloak at the same time.
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 155	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:47:00 - [13] - Quote A brick tank scout is a dead scout Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE
Cosgar ParagonX 9161	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:47:00 - [14] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: The true issue here is that a scout is supposed to be weak when detected: it's why we have so little health to start with. I quite honestly need all my slots to add my range extenders, my precision enhancers, my damps, and maybe one armor slot or extra reps. I don't think we should nerf the slot layout it just got good. However when you are brick tanked and cloaked: you have the advantage of stealth and at the same time health for when you are caught. The two should not meet like the currently do, it should be more of a one or the other approach. Bojo has the answer: Find a way to punish scouts who are caught while cloaked. That way the cloak has a disadvantage when used improperly, i.e. a scout must wait on the cloak to finish shutting down before a weapon can be drawn. I don't have a stake in the whole cloaking/scout thing, but serious question: Do you consider scouts to still be high risk, high reward as they were in the past? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 205	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:48:00 - [15] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: The true issue here is that a scout is supposed to be weak when detected: it's why we have so little health to start with. I quite honestly need all my slots to add my range extenders, my precision enhancers, my damps, and maybe one armor slot or extra reps. I don't think we should nerf the slot layout it just got good. However when you are brick tanked and cloaked: you have the advantage of stealth and at the same time health for when you are caught. The two should not meet like the currently do, it should be more of a one or the other approach. Bojo has the answer: Find a way to punish scouts who are caught while cloaked. That way the cloak has a disadvantage when used improperly, i.e. a scout must wait on the cloak to finish shutting down before a weapon can be drawn. Cal scouts would break all others then. Honestly, biotic and wear mods just need to look better. Or cause the basic armour plate type, not Ferros or reactive to have an added movement speed loss on light frames. This would work and makes sense. It's a light frame not equipped to handle the load of armor plates. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 205	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:04:00 - [16] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Not a fan of brick tanking my Scout suit. I play an eWAR suit, but if I wanted to do so I am damn well within my rights. No one should have the ability to dictate a style of play upon another person. The ability to customize any role to suit your needs is part of the attraction of this game. Remove that and you have a pile of buggy code. Then why not have ONE suit you can customize how you see fit and get rid of all the others? Heavies can't use a cloak. With your logic a heavy should be able to run like a scout speed/cloak. The suits should have some play with fittings, a scout with 800+ HP should not be a realistic option. All the suits need a role Scouts fast speed close range dps (mmorpg rouge) Assualt decent speed longer ranger dps (mmorpg archer) a 3rd bonus rof for racial guns would help define it's role Logi support (mmorpg healer/buffer) Heavy slow speed high tank ability (mmorpg warrior) Without roles that are more clearly defined Dust can never achieve balance. Everyone talks about wanting balance but the truth is it's just that TALK. I know Dust isn't a mmorpg like WoW, or Everquest, or DCUO or any MMO you might have played. The set up is in essence the same. How would any MMO function without defined roles? Honestly there needs to be a limit how much each suit can brick tank bc the player base knows nothing more than ZOMG I HAVE THE MOST HP POSSIBLE ON THIS SUIT! LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1961	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:20:00 - [17] - Quote An MMO without defined roles would be awesome, think about what kind of crazy builds you can come up with. Just take a look at Path Of Exile. In that game you can start off like a archer, and end up being a warrior. Just like scouts in Dust. Defined roles are for thoughtless carebears. You are supposed to be able to "enter assault territory" with a scout in Dust, just as a heavy in the dust commercial bis able to snipe on Youtube. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 586	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:23:00 - [18] - Quote Scout ak.0 here. I have my 500+ armor fits with rifles for the outside and I have my 220 armor fits with 9.5 sprint and 600 stamina. It all depends on the map and who I'm playing with. I use my cloak for a tactical advantage and it only helps against complete idiots anyways. Mmmm Scout ak.0 Projects: TDBS \| SDETool
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1961	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:36:00 - [19] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Scout ak.0 here. I have my 500+ armor fits with rifles for the outside and I have my 220 armor fits with 9.5 sprint and 600 stamina. It all depends on the map and who I'm playing with. I use my cloak for a tactical advantage and it only helps against complete idiots anyways. ^ Take notes here kiddies. This is how to get the most out of your scout. You cant just run 1 fit. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3682	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:50:00 - [20] - Quote Cosgar wrote: I don't have a stake in the whole cloaking/scout thing, but serious question: Do you consider scouts to still be high risk, high reward as they were in the past? No, they are low risk high reward if you use a cloak and HP mods. If you fit like me, it's high risk high reward (cuz I don't cloak). Basically any scout not using a cloak right now is taking unnecessary risk because; why not cloak?



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