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knight guard fury
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:31:00 -
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as a part time scout, i can say that cloaks are not OP at all.
i say this because i have been spotted, killed, and chased by many people while i have been cloaked and they can clearly see me running away or towards them.
people who QQ about scout are just dip-shi** who cant see anything without there crutch active scanner, or they just can be situationally/enviorementally aware of their surroundings.
sure scouts have 1 second to shoot before complete decloak, but that is probably our best element of suprise. if we had to wait one second to decloak and pull out our gun then that would give the enemy that one second to kill us and it doesnt ewven take a second to kill most scout that arent proto scout suits.
the cloak shotgun scouts use shotgun because any other weapon would take to long to kill you and would 8/10 times end up getting us killed.
one of our best and new roles as a scout is harrassing the enemy team, and if there are enemy scouts on the other team then we will most likely keep killing the non scout or hunt down each other for fun and practice.
there are many ways to see a scout while cloaked, you just need to pay attention in doing so.
-no matter what a scout has to move at some point and they are doing it 99% of the time so its only common to stand still if they are hacking or hiding or even waiting to counter attack someone.
-we are totally invisible you idiots, i can easily see a scout 50m out with no trouble because we all show shimmers in the space we occupy and its totally obvius if a scout is there or not.
-if you ADS you will most certainly see something identifing that something is there or your reticle will turn red.
if you think being a scout is cheap and fun then you are direly wrong.
-my most common scout fit is easily 10k-20k a pop and is very costly to fit the few modules i can manage to fit.
-at the least your scout will be atleast 7-13k if your mostly using basic modules.
-remember that most scout suits cost more than your suit does so be happy every time you kill a scout with a cloak on it.
the scout has been only slightly UP for a while and its finally time that the scout uses its time to shine to its advantage.
before this build we rarely ever used shotguns because it was pointless in using something that glitches and was nearly impossible to land a good shot while strafing like crazy. no matter what cloaks are cloaks so your just going to have to deal with it and have better eye sight or other wise you'll just let scouts get too close too you.
also we will always get close to kill you because we always or most likely will just flank you and kill you from behind so expect them to be on your flank rather than on you sides or front view.
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knight guard fury
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:35:00 -
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ALSO, you people are complaing about the FOTM scouts who brick tank them to oblivion. real scouts dont brick tank because it usually isnt viable in all situations and in turn makes us less effective at what we want to do on the battle field
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knight guard fury
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:44:00 -
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:55:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:And you sir are an @sshole. I didn't bother to read your post after you called people with poor eyesight stupid. As a biologist, I would love to hear your explanation of how visual acuity is linked with intelligence. Anyway you may have a valid point in your long post, but I and many others will never know because of your inability or unwillingness to express yourself other than in manner of a giant, raging, prick. If you wish anyone to consider your views I recommend you refrain from insulting them at the outset of your argument. Consider that valuable life advice 
fixed because some people cant take an insult
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knight guard fury
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:10:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Or maybe it is because our eyesight isn't as good as yours, there is no depth of field, latency causes delayed loading of figures, zero peripheral vision and horrid resolution. All of which you shouldn't have to overcome just to play a stupid video game.
many people i know can admit that they can see scouts as easily as i can
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knight guard fury
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:06:00 -
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Holy ****, how many scout deniers are there. I thought there was enough of tank deniers, now i don't know which morons are more numerous.
im not saying im a scout denier or anything, i just like to say things that i have experianced.
Your argument:
1. People are blind cause you've been killed before - invalid
my point to that was dozens of people i have fought me while i was cloaked and it was obvius that they could see me even while cloaked because they either ADS or saw the shimmer of my cloak
2. You can't see us until we've shot but this is our element of surprise
in the history of my gaming life, what game insta-uncloaks you for switching a weapon, ive always known cloaks to slowly uncloak you but they either already have a weapon in their hands or they are already in the process of getting their weapon so i dont mind cloaks taking a sec while scouts select their weapon
3. Scouts need to be slayers to harass the other team - again, you're an idiot
i never said slayer, i was saying that they have a new possible role.
4. Scouts are getting away with cheap suits, this isn't an argument, any class can have cheap suit. The fact you are **** and are doing well in a cheap suit should tell you something.
i never said that, i said that scouts are usually more expensive and are so cheap to run depending on what they have.
5. Oh cloaks aren't OP because if we play properly and flank you we can still kill you - thats an argument against cloaks.
i said that we usually flank and will almost always kill you from behind, i wasn't talking about flanking i was talking about what most scouts do.
Listen, i understand you are a **** scout, you've been **** for a while and now you get this toy and you are doing well. We are happy that over night you've learn how to play properly and got skilled... Oh wait you didn't. Instead your gameplay is ****, you aren't skilled, have no awareness, obviously can't kill anyone but this is magically fixed by your cloak.
You present 5 "reasons" cloaks are not OP, none of them are close to being valid. The first is hilarious, its wrong, many scouts can't be seen well. I have walked around maps today completely invisible. I have seen videos of people running with NK and shotguns..l have even seen guys in my own games use shotguns and there's no way i saw them before they shot me or after, there was no de-cloaking process at all.
The 3rd reason, you say scouts need to be the new Logi slayer fit, that's untrue. The scout should excel with movement and strategy. It should be a effective objective and recon based role which can kill other light suits and medium suits by using tactics and in no way should take down heavies or be some sort of super killing machine racking up 20+ kills every map regardless of the scouts skill level. So you are wrong, you just want scouts to be the new Logi slayer because you suck before and now are getting kills and are happy about it.
i never siad they are the new slayer logi, and i am an excellent scout. i am fast, mobile, and use a lot of strategies to kill my targets. its the new slayer scouts that brick tank i was talking about.
The 4th and 5th is actually a reasons against cloaks. You argue that scouts are able to kill players handily with very cheap suits, so even at std level these suits are highly effective. Which given the nature of,your 3rd reason (killing) you think an advanced scout should be a killing machine, that is wrong. If you can be effective as a std scout, that's great but it doesn't support the reason for a cape.. It actually says you don't require one. Lastly, you say cloaks aren't OP because if you play well (strategically plan attacks and flanks, then pick opportune times to strike, and set up attacks so you get advantage) it totally supports the removal of the cloak.
i never said they could kill with cheap suits, i said they are hardly cheap at all compared to most basic suit, i was saying that people who arent scout should be happy to kill scouts because they are a lot more expensive if it usually has a cloak.
A cloak covers up (is a crutch) for bad players. So say it yourself, with good gameplay, decisions, and proper tactics you can sneak up on foes without a cloak. Therefore a cloak is not required to be successful therefore it should be removed because it covers for poor play. You said it yourself.
i am considered a well trained scout, ive been a part time scout since uprising, and i know my ways around and how to deal with situations that require a brain. im not a FOTM scrub who just brick tanks. i actually fit mods. that help me get around so i can do what i can do, which is helping the team or harassing the other team.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/2513
you think im a scrub? well at least i dont brick tank and at least i have the decency to show mercy on some mercs.
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knight guard fury
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:09:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:I guess i wrote a hell of a lot, but if you read it all you can surely respond with "get a pair of glasses if you can't see me" or a "get good" comment because that is what people do when their arguments are invalid (and support to other sides view) and you just got owned by someone rebuttal to your ridiculous statements.
oh i read it, so i replied back in bold.
i hope you dont need glasses for your own creation:)
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knight guard fury
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:19:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:I guess you died so much in previous patches that ints nice for you to do well, but next time you need to visit the CCP hospital please don't leave without your crutch,,. I mean cloak. You wouldn't want to have a fair, balanced game which rewards good, strategic gameplay and punishes poor decisions.
your telling that to a man who has been using the minmatar suits, which are some of the weakest suits in the game, for most of his dust life. i have learned to adapt and have never truely complained about anything ccp does to most stuff because i love ccp to a degree.
i have learned dozens of strategies, been in many situations, and have skilled in to many things, i became the best jack of all trades up until 1.8 as i skilled into all minmatar suits. i am a minmatar loyalist who is proud of what he does, and if you think im going to let some minmatar enslaving religious nut job try to make my statements "Invalid". Oh ill show something invalid alright, but your probably not gonna like it.
on a side note i will always correct the uncorrected as i did in an earlier post so STFU or HTFU because i always have a reason for saying and doing the things i do since i love dust and its community and i just want to try and help even if i make ranting post or "QQ" post. either way i will most often have a counter arguement to your counter argument
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:04:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:I'm not blind: Scan wise and Eye wise
I have visually picked up numerous cloaked scouts therefore advantage should be mine but boop goes the shotgun.
I have also been scanning them passively on my galscout.
I'm not blind to them, but there is no disadvantage to them. There's a disadvantage in not running one.
See the issue? Oh i spammed and text blocked the issue x300. I think i changed his mind. I'm now hoping he writes a remove cloaks thread.
ill never make a remove cloaks thread, also after some ADS of a sniper rifle i noticed that scouts are decently easy to see and even the ones up close i have noticed that they arent as hard to see as you guys are making out to be, so i dont know why you think its so hard just to see a cloaked scout
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:40:00 -
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Retarn Dominus wrote:Oh dear. All this crying. Scouts used to kill you all easy enough undetected without the use of cloaks before 1.8 (whilst in cheap suits). Nothings changed. Run around in 200ehp for a while and see how that grabs ya. Maybe then folk will realise how tricky and fun playing a scout really is.  Don't ever recall a scouts moaning about how mercs can one shot ya with some shoddy millitia weapon. I think the cloak is well balanced. Only thing i would give a nod of approval for is the flux de-activating a cloak. Peace. 
^this
i agree, i think there pretty balanced, but since everyone is complaining i guess they could use a few tweaks but besides that there are totally fine
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:15:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:I am blind! Half way at least. Yeah, let's add something that makes it harder to make anything out on the screen. Surely, there is a law on the books I can use to sue CCP for age or physical handicap descrimination.
No? Oh ok I'll just quit playing along with all the other people comprising DUST's small playerbase and have the last laugh. CCP can't afford to think that way though.
Business=product=customer=profit. As crappy as the real money transactions are at the moment I'm sure CCP wants to err on the side of profit.
i edited the title because it just seems kinda rude
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