DUST Search - the logi is virtually dead

Meee One wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

and we don't even have the equipment nerfs yet.

the life expectancy of logis has dropped dramatically since the patch. for me anyway i have given up on them and taken my logi responsibilities to other suits which cost far less to fit and frankly do the job better.

infact i have barely seen a logi on the field since patch day.

they just don't appear viable anymore. we are expected to sit upfront with the fighters but we are massacred by the enemy because our gear is short range. we hold back slightly and we are massacred by cloaked scouts with shotguns. there is no middle ground and no amount of friends can offer up enough protections to warrant risking 1-200k isk per suit.

my old tactic of using aur suits to bring my fit costs down now is no longer an option for me as fit costs are up dramatically for logis due to having to fit proto gear to get old level of effectiveness yet our survival is down so much that i'm losing 5 times as many suits as i used to.

for me there is no point even bothering with a suit that nets you negative income every time you use it. its just a pointless act.

OP as a true logi i understand what you're saying.
Even in squads people single out logis.
You'll receive 0 sympathy from all these slayer logi haters.

They want us to wipe their asses and yet they don't want us to be able to survive.

"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."

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Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1669	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:38:00 - [31] - Quote Running links, hives, scans ahead of the main force then receding into the rear guard with same links. I see no problem here. To hell with heals or injectors. Assaults can carry those things and should. It's easier to do it that way. If unorganized oh well. Logis can get all the other stuff down to engineer the battle. "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2205	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:42:00 - [32] - Quote Proto Minmatar logi here and I want to tell you that the logi role is perfectly fine and when in a good squad with a heavy or two makes more WP than anyone. Just look at some of my past games and I haven't even tweeted all my good ones. Yes I have bad matches but not near as many as good ones. #Logilove "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 105	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:48:00 - [33] - Quote This thread is worthless. Logi is the most important role. Period. "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2205	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:56:00 - [34] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: With less logis on the field I actually find I'm performing more like a logi than I ever have. Let people play with their new toys and let the meta settle a bit. People will start rolling their logis again soon, well... The people who actually played logi... #logilove to show off your skills "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 494	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:57:00 - [35] - Quote Didnt really use my logi fits much, but the times I did it just felt extremely slow. Not deliberate like with a heavy, just slow. By the time you get to where you are needed, uplinks and hives are already placed, those in need of reps already dead, and those asking for a needle already bled out. Besides, there is a general consensus that reps and needles are redundant if you have uplinks out the ass. So yeah, min logi FTL. TOLD514
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 356	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:58:00 - [36] - Quote I think my Amarr logi is just fine. I can bring in uplinks and still be fortified enough to either get around or behind enemy lines. Then I can also secure an objective with my squadmates if necessary. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 242	Posted - 2014.03.28 02:59:00 - [37] - Quote I think the logis need a bit more HP. Or I just suck. The next build better be good. CCP don't mess up.
toasterwaffles Nyain Chan 28	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:03:00 - [38] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: With less logis on the field I actually find I'm performing more like a logi than I ever have. Let people play with their new toys and let the meta settle a bit. People will start rolling their logis again soon, well... The people who actually played logi... Ill still run this fit Check out our site
abarkrishna WarRavens 353	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:07:00 - [39] - Quote Being a true logi has never been profitable. Its just worse now. Just be glad CCP didn't listen to the ass hats who wanted logis to only have sidearms. Oh and switch to a scout suit. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Rusty Shallows 1280	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:07:00 - [40] - Quote thesupertman wrote: I think the logis need a bit more HP. Or I just suck. It really helps having both the HP-buff innate and enhancement skills are maxed. On my ALT just getting Complex Shield Extenders has done wonders for both fittings options and tank. Working on the last two Plates skill levels now. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>

Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 137	Posted - 2014.03.28 03:08:00 - [41] - Quote Here,a fit for those who think gal logi is just a slayer, and not an actual logi. I'm a logi now! :D
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1532	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:28:00 - [42] - Quote Meee One wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: and we don't even have the equipment nerfs yet. the life expectancy of logis has dropped dramatically since the patch. for me anyway i have given up on them and taken my logi responsibilities to other suits which cost far less to fit and frankly do the job better. infact i have barely seen a logi on the field since patch day. they just don't appear viable anymore. we are expected to sit upfront with the fighters but we are massacred by the enemy because our gear is short range. we hold back slightly and we are massacred by cloaked scouts with shotguns. there is no middle ground and no amount of friends can offer up enough protections to warrant risking 1-200k isk per suit. my old tactic of using aur suits to bring my fit costs down now is no longer an option for me as fit costs are up dramatically for logis due to having to fit proto gear to get old level of effectiveness yet our survival is down so much that i'm losing 5 times as many suits as i used to. for me there is no point even bothering with a suit that nets you negative income every time you use it. its just a pointless act. OP as a true logi i understand what you're saying. Even in squads people single out logis. You'll receive 0 sympathy from all these slayer logi haters. They want us to wipe their asses and yet they don't want us to be able to survive. If you'd wipe my ass, I surely would like for you to survive...So you can wipe my ass again. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.03.28 04:46:00 - [43] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Meee One wrote: They want us to wipe their asses and yet they don't want us to be able to survive. My logi gk.0 has 900 hp and 4 pieces of proto equipment. That is without the equipment bonus. How much more does a logisitcs need? I think overall the issues because more complicated when you add in equipment changes which is where the logi lives and dies by. Repair tools are getting more difficult to utilize in a match for points, it's really going to be vehicles or bust. Uplinks are a mess and active scanners are pretty useless for now. Cloaks are interesting to add but you don't have the same speed as a scout to take full advantage of it. I don't think logis themselves are having it bad, it's really after a year the game seems to lack a stable structure to build on. There are how many newly released weapons, dropsuits, equipment and modules that just cause things to swing back and fourth. It's actually kind of getting boring because the only area you can really seem to invest skill points in knowing they won't be as badly wasted are dropsuit upgrades. Otherwise anything else you put them into can eventually be outdated in a month or 2 by something else. I don't know if CCP is trying as hard as possible to make this a FPS-MMO or an FPS but the game is shifting all over the place with changes and additions and it's making the game kind of suck a bit .
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 132	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:19:00 - [44] - Quote Nevyn Tazinas wrote: Also scouts are currently (or a lot of them anyway) are abusing the cloak bugs big time. Which let them fire before they are decloaked. And the other one that lets them stay cloaked without a timer. Once those are fixed and people get more used to cloaks expect to see the number of cloaked scouts plummet again as they stop being super easy mode exploits. And have to actually work for their kills again. Then what's left will be the real scouts who always have been scouts. how about all the ezmode 360 spinning scanner Logis before 1.8? I'm sure since they can't use their op crutch anymore (which was more op than the cloak currently is) they maybe realized how much they got carried by their toy... maybe they should start looking on their screens again instead of the minimap!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 938	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:23:00 - [45] - Quote I must admit, the first few days of 1.8, I would have agreed with you -- and I may still going forward. Three points: First, a heavy/logi combo is still #1 when it comes to point defense, particularly if there's cover. Second, the gallogi scanning bonus is quite useful, and should become moreso once the fix the scan angle -- in the meantime not many scouts are really getting under the proto one as long as I'm pointed in their direction. It's funny to scan them and then all of a sudden they do a 180 and decide to pick on easier prey. Third, you can still brick tank the crap out of them and add damage mods.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 938	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:27:00 - [46] - Quote Nestil wrote: Nevyn Tazinas wrote: Also scouts are currently (or a lot of them anyway) are abusing the cloak bugs big time. Which let them fire before they are decloaked. And the other one that lets them stay cloaked without a timer. Once those are fixed and people get more used to cloaks expect to see the number of cloaked scouts plummet again as they stop being super easy mode exploits. And have to actually work for their kills again. Then what's left will be the real scouts who always have been scouts. how about all the ezmode 360 spinning scanner Logis before 1.8? I'm sure since they can't use their op crutch anymore (which was more op than the cloak currently is) they maybe realized how much they got carried by their toy... maybe they should start looking on their screens again instead of the minimap! If the old scanner is "ezmode" and an "op crutch", what do you think of the always-on 360 degree view of the scout? Just curious.
Cosgar ParagonX 9160	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:28:00 - [47] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Nestil wrote: Nevyn Tazinas wrote: Also scouts are currently (or a lot of them anyway) are abusing the cloak bugs big time. Which let them fire before they are decloaked. And the other one that lets them stay cloaked without a timer. Once those are fixed and people get more used to cloaks expect to see the number of cloaked scouts plummet again as they stop being super easy mode exploits. And have to actually work for their kills again. Then what's left will be the real scouts who always have been scouts. how about all the ezmode 360 spinning scanner Logis before 1.8? I'm sure since they can't use their op crutch anymore (which was more op than the cloak currently is) they maybe realized how much they got carried by their toy... maybe they should start looking on their screens again instead of the minimap! If the old scanner is "ezmode" and an "op crutch", what do you think of the always-on 360 degree view of the scout? Just curious. Situational awareness? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 938	Posted - 2014.03.28 05:30:00 - [48] - Quote I was thinking more along the lines of "my leet skillz", but you said it pretty well. ;)
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 798	Posted - 2014.03.28 06:05:00 - [49] - Quote Once I've maxed my remaining cores and have leveled CR, SMG and NK, I'm heading to Min logi and repair tools again. COVERT will be healin' yo asses, just need a few months. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc


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