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Jathniel
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:52:00 -
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Had a situation with 2 assholes putting in a concerted effort chasing me around a box in an Ambush. They shot me a few times, but I was able to outmaneuver them and separate enough distance to turn around and finish them with the sniper rifle.
In all this, my cloak did not fail, and I am wonderously happy about that.
Please dont let our cloaks break if we get shot. |
Jathniel
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:17:00 -
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General12912 wrote:Jathniel wrote:Had a situation with 2 assholes putting in a concerted effort chasing me around a box in an Ambush. They shot me a few times, but I was able to outmaneuver them and separate enough distance to turn around and finish them with the sniper rifle.
In all this, my cloak did not fail, and I am wonderously happy about that.
Please dont let our cloaks break if we get shot. i agree, but, ive been thinking, and maybe our coaks should turn off and have to cool down if we are in the pulse of a flux grenade. it makes sense, flux grenades are supposed to be anti-electronic anyways. it would make being a scout a bit more fun.
This I can agree with. Flux nades are supposed to knock out equipment, it should knock off a cloak. |
Jathniel
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:18:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:Jathniel wrote:Had a situation with 2 assholes putting in a concerted effort chasing me around a box in an Ambush. They shot me a few times, but I was able to outmaneuver them and separate enough distance to turn around and finish them with the sniper rifle.
In all this, my cloak did not fail, and I am wonderously happy about that.
Please dont let our cloaks break if we get shot. i support cloaks. the time duration might be a little off though.
Yeah, the duration and cooling across the cloak fields doesnt make much sense to me. The basic cloak seems to be the most efficient. |
Jathniel
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:26:00 -
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Dingleburt Bangledack wrote:I've been toying around with the cloak lately to see why it's all the rage and I've noticed that the only real problem, as stated by others, is that you can shoot far too quickly after decloaking.
I can switch to my shotgun and blast someone in the face while I'm still cloaked. Sure, switching to a weapon turns off the cloak but it doesn't really make any difference when I can get a fatal shot out before the decloaking animation is even finished.
A delay between deactivation and shooting is all that I think is needed. However, I rarely use the cloak anyway, so I don't really care what happens to it. If anything, at all.
This I disagree with. Its part of why cloaked ambushes are so effective....... usually.... for me its been taking waaay too long for people to die.
In my experience, the decloak hasnt made a difference. The only attack thats really working for the scouts is the decloak shotgun. Nothing else works. Decloaking to attack with any weapon doesnt do high alpha is suicide. You HAVE to use a shotgun, nova knives, or sniper rifle for it to work. Ive decloaked on people with the gal ar, and scrambler, and more often then not, they just turn around and light me up.
The ttk is enormous now, with the nerfs to proficiencies, so unless the damage is tremendous and sudden, a scout simply wont win, even if he gets the drop on you.
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Jathniel
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:41:00 -
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Dustbunny Durrr wrote:Jathniel wrote:Dingleburt Bangledack wrote:I've been toying around with the cloak lately to see why it's all the rage and I've noticed that the only real problem, as stated by others, is that you can shoot far too quickly after decloaking.
I can switch to my shotgun and blast someone in the face while I'm still cloaked. Sure, switching to a weapon turns off the cloak but it doesn't really make any difference when I can get a fatal shot out before the decloaking animation is even finished.
A delay between deactivation and shooting is all that I think is needed. However, I rarely use the cloak anyway, so I don't really care what happens to it. If anything, at all. This I disagree with. Its part of why cloaked ambushes are so effective....... usually.... for me its been taking waaay too long for people to die. In my experience, the decloak hasnt made a difference. The only attack thats really working for the scouts is the decloak shotgun. Nothing else works. Decloaking to attack with any weapon doesnt do high alpha is suicide. You HAVE to use a shotgun, nova knives, or sniper rifle for it to work. Ive decloaked on people with the gal ar, and scrambler, and more often then not, they just turn around and light me up. The ttk is enormous now, with the nerfs to proficiencies, so unless the damage is tremendous and sudden, a scout simply wont win, even if he gets the drop on you. Why are they able to kill you if you have the drop on them? Sentinels I can understand because of the ridiculously high Hp, but any other suit, should be dead before you have to reload. And scouts have similar fittings to assaults/logis, so they should be (and are able to) get very similar HP. Also, what possible tactic could counter "alpha-cloaks"?
You're not supposed to counter alpha-cloaks. They have successfully "snuck up on you and you deserve to die".
Funny how that works huh?
More or less it's panicky situations where I stop sniping to try and move somewhere to prevent someone from doing a hack if im the only one in the area. I'll sneak up and open up on them with the magsec. No good. Not enough alpha. Got dropped on my face. Now im running up on them and putting 2 sniper rounds in the back at point blank, and trying to finish them off with magsec fire.
Doesn't work on heavies though. Two proto sniper rounds in the head. 3rd round into the body since they start moving, and half a clip from the magsec, before they turn and replace my intestines with lead. lol |
Jathniel
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:23:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Paul Ellinas wrote:Just lower the CPU/PG bonus on the cloak so the scouts can't have same HP with Assaults!!! I think the better option would be a buff to assaults, as they have more problems than having to go up with tanked scouts.
Scouts simply shouldn't be "tanked".
The only remedy I can think of, is to give complex shield extenders and complex armor plates a scan profile penalty.
If the scouts want to tank AND run a cloak, raise their scan profile exponentially, to the point where the cloak doesn't help them.
Be stealthy or gtfo.
Otherwise, nothing is wrong with the cloak or mechanics itself.
People respect a scout that can kill them, but it's not fair if they can't see the scout AND it can tank as good as them. |
Jathniel
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Posted - 2014.03.29 05:34:00 -
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Celus Ivara wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:Jathniel wrote:
You're not supposed to counter alpha-cloaks. They have successfully "snuck up on you and you deserve to die".
Funny how that works huh?
quoting to put emphasis on an important point. Sometimes you just get got. I think "just getting got" is fine. Same as how you can be insta-fragged by a sniper you never knew was there. Or being a non-AV infantry up against a tank. Thing though is there are counters to snipers and tanks ( Okay, AV-imbalance issue, but still.). There is very little you can do to counter Cloaked Scouts. There is no anti-cloak fit. The Active Scanner should be a valid counter, but the Cloak makes you invisible to scanners as well as eyes. Remove the Scan Profile reduction from the Cloak. Make it so complete stealth requires becoming squishy/slow by sacrificing a Low or two to Dampeners. This is coming from a Proto Cloaked Scout. Being untouchable isn't fun. Going up against other Scouts who are untouchable isn't fun Where's my kryptonite? What's the point of being a cobra if there's no mongoose?
This doesn't fly. I'm proto scout as well. Everybody is your mongoose.
If the scouts are putting on cloaks and dampeners, then everyone else needs to compensate with scanners and devices. The counters are in the game people are just too lazy to use them. The cloak would be useless if scanners revealed you. Especially a basic scanner. I have a focused scanner on my cal scout, and I detect other scouts just fine. They eat a sniper rifle shot shortly afterwards.
What is being felt is that everyone is feeling their due fear now, the playing field is a lot closer to being balanced. Heavies are to be feared with how diehard they are, and now scouts, the runts, are feared because they keep us on our toes. This once belonged to just a handful of scouts with shotguns. Now no one is to be taken lightly.
Again, the only thing I would do is add a penalty to complex shield extenders and armor plates. COMPLEX-only, because those are the ones making the scouts durable. |
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