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Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 226	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:59:00 - [1] - Quote So I've known Scouts have been around for quite sometime, I wasn't 1 fully nor am I fully 1 still. But before 1.8 I started trying Scout for fun & I started liking it alot so I started working on making my 3rd character (AzureFlameGod) a full Scout based type. So naturally when 1.8 came it was the perfect time for me to make that character just that. Naturally I choose Amarr, plus skilled into it a little on all 3 characters to some extent but primarily AzureFlameGod. Had alot of fun - then I get on today, planning to have a good Scout time & work on making that character a better Scout but instead I see a new wall of text under the sidearm challenge event. Naturally I read it. Basically what I read sumed up in my mind was this - "Dear Loyal Dust 514 Players, OOPS we here at CCP have made a very bad mistake with particularly the newly added Amarr Scout (& somewhat the new Caldari Scout too by the way) to which we fixed, sadly (though we did all we could ) it has taken alot of the SP all those skilled into it currently have, also we have increased the current SP requirement for each skill level, &.... have restricted you to some of the ones you were possibly using. We will not be refunding you your hard earned SP or all the ISK spent on it, instead you have to earn it all back. Thank You For Understanding - Sincerely Yours, CCP." To which I replied - "............Really....? - ....Just...Really?" Therefore am I wrong in asking a fair TRIPLE repay in SP & ISK to everyone not just me alone? Is it wrong to ask for a fair repay when I didn't mess up? But CCP messed up? Why triple you ask? 1: Because you took extra what SP I had, increased the SP requirements, & retricted us to ones we were possibly using. (NOTE: Mind you, you had to basically get to Scount Level 3 then Level 3 again just to be able to test the lowest level Cloak) 2: You kinda throw it in our face by saying we "have" to make it up ourselves. & 3: Because it'll take CCP time to refund us. That is why I am asking for a triple refund in both ISK & SP. So I ask what are your all's thoughts, what can the DEV's &/or CPM's think or have to say, who here agrees in a repay? And so on. Thank You By The Way For Reading This & Especially If You Leave A Reply.
Cassa-Nova xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:02:00 - [2] - Quote HAHAHAHAH CCP doesn't care bout you're problems! they wouldnt give a full infantry respec for 1.8 no way they'll give you even a half respec. Especially since they forewarned that this would happen.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 226	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:04:00 - [3] - Quote Cassa-Nova wrote: HAHAHAHAH CCP doesn't care bout you're problems! they wouldnt give a full infantry respec for 1.8 no way they'll give you even a half respec. Especially since they forewarned that this would happen. Umm no they never said anything about them messing up on Scount, taking extra SP we had & so on. If they forewarned that please bring me a link.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3706	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:05:00 - [4] - Quote . No.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2019	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:06:00 - [5] - Quote If you're a real scout, you'd be glad about this. You get to unlock your suit early with credit. If you didn't spend your SP on something else to go with your suit like biotics or something, that's your problem, not CCP's.
Cassa-Nova xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 0	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:07:00 - [6] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Cassa-Nova wrote: HAHAHAHAH CCP doesn't care bout you're problems! they wouldnt give a full infantry respec for 1.8 no way they'll give you even a half respec. Especially since they forewarned that this would happen. Umm no they never said anything about them messing up on Scount, taking extra SP we had & so on. If they forewarned that please bring me a link. I'll try and get you it when i get home, i'm at school atm. But i definitely saw a warning on the forums before i proto'd the suit.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 226	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote No i'm asking refund for the dropsuits not anything else as everything else was fine. @ Joel
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 226	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:09:00 - [8] - Quote Cassa-Nova wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: Cassa-Nova wrote: HAHAHAHAH CCP doesn't care bout you're problems! they wouldnt give a full infantry respec for 1.8 no way they'll give you even a half respec. Especially since they forewarned that this would happen. Umm no they never said anything about them messing up on Scount, taking extra SP we had & so on. If they forewarned that please bring me a link. I'll try and get you it when i get home, i'm at school atm. But i definitely saw a warning on the forums before i proto'd the suit. Didn't proto it went to Level 3 then Level 3 so I could not only try the suit but the cloak as well.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 914	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:11:00 - [9] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: No i'm asking refund for the dropsuits not anything else as everything else was fine. Which dropsuits? You skilled into Amarr Scout did you not? You can still use Amarr scout suits can you not? Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 789	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:11:00 - [10] - Quote Live with your choices brah! For 2 weeks! Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc

Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 226	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:12:00 - [11] - Quote Cassa-Nova wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: Cassa-Nova wrote: HAHAHAHAH CCP doesn't care bout you're problems! they wouldnt give a full infantry respec for 1.8 no way they'll give you even a half respec. Especially since they forewarned that this would happen. Umm no they never said anything about them messing up on Scount, taking extra SP we had & so on. If they forewarned that please bring me a link. I'll try and get you it when i get home, i'm at school atm. But i definitely saw a warning on the forums before i proto'd the suit. EDIT: never mind did a quick google search and it was the first result. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1975862 3rd post Thank You but sadly it's a general discussion hardly read none-official post by DEV's. My point is CCP itself warned nothing.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2549	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:13:00 - [12] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Cassa-Nova wrote: HAHAHAHAH CCP doesn't care bout you're problems! they wouldnt give a full infantry respec for 1.8 no way they'll give you even a half respec. Especially since they forewarned that this would happen. Umm no they never said anything about them messing up on Scount, taking extra SP we had & so on. If they forewarned that please bring me a link. Was the first line in the "Known issues thread": https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1974111#post1974111 Edit - Oh yeah and don't post as if you're speaking for all scouts because you're crying means nothing to me. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 785	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:13:00 - [13] - Quote Question: Am I wrong in asking for a tiple refund? Answer: Yes, yes you are TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY. - Blaine the Mono
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 924	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 - [14] - Quote You wanted a link, here it is. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 226	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:15:00 - [15] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: No i'm asking refund for the dropsuits not anything else as everything else was fine. Which dropsuits? You skilled into Amarr Scout did you not? You can still use Amarr scout suits can you not? Not exactly AFG I only got to Level 3 then Level 2. Was saving for Level 3 for cloak but was knocked down by CCP. Also tested the basic proto Amarr & Caldari Scout (only once for each) as both were totally free - didn't like. No I got to test cloak on this character not AFG as it had more SP on hand. It being my main I had spare SP. However I feel bad for those who may of messed up more then me so I think they do deserve some refund.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8984	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:15:00 - [16] - Quote Yeah...... I dont care about ISK and triples SP is ridiculous.... I just wish I could have made the decision with the correct SP values presented to me. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 226	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:17:00 - [17] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: You wanted a link, here it is. Posted today - not days in advance.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 227	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:19:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Yeah...... I dont care about ISK and triples SP is ridiculous.... I just wish I could have made the decision with the correct SP values presented to me. Kinda the same thing i'm thinking but still think a refund fair. Or atleast a show of caring & not a "OOPS our bad & you have to pay for it 'extra!' because we didn't get it right on 1st go."
Cassa-Nova xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:21:00 - [19] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: True Adamance wrote: Yeah...... I dont care about ISK and triples SP is ridiculous.... I just wish I could have made the decision with the correct SP values presented to me. Kinda the same thing i'm thinking but still think a refund fair. Or atleast a show of caring & not a "OOPS our bad & you have to pay for it 'extra!' because we didn't get it right on 1st go." You're bitching about getting something half price when every other race paid full. Then you (and me) get to play with that thing the ENTIRE time we pay off the other half. Seriously. We got the best deal.
Tectonic Fusion 1340	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:21:00 - [20] - Quote Be happy you got early access to the proto suit. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Horizen Kenpachi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 240	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:21:00 - [21] - Quote We all new it was bugged so any one who uses the forum especially has known this so no. Ur lucky u got to use a suit u havnt paid for they should lock ur suits till u qualify the sp requirment ur desperation and cheap rally is funny lol at ur dept. Hit me with your nerf bat.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 227	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:23:00 - [22] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Question: Am I wrong in asking for a tiple refund? Answer: Yes, yes you are In what area? Last I checked not only I but others were jerked by unofficially stats at the start of 1.8 Am I asking they have to due to legal nonesense? Lol no i'm asking simply because I think it be a kindness by CCP that would be a huge show of faith from them to us, it's the right thing to do & within they're power.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1128	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:23:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Yeah...... I dont care about ISK and triples SP is ridiculous.... I just wish I could have made the decision with the correct SP values presented to me. Dude you are not some newbie, you should have known that the suit skills should have cost as much as the other ones and budgeted accordingly. Well think of it this way, they let you guys spend SP on credit Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 154	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:24:00 - [24] - Quote NO, everbody was told there was some issues in SP multiplier of amarr scouts. At this point in time everybody knows the real average cost of a proto dropsuit Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 673	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:24:00 - [25] - Quote Normally I would mock this thread, but I gotta give it to the guy. Demanding not just an SP refund, but a triple SP refund. You sir have balls. I like balls. +1 There is the Commando and Sidearm event. 1.5 million free SP is possible. Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood. Futurama
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7683	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:24:00 - [26] - Quote /sigh Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Cassa-Nova xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:26:00 - [27] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Question: Am I wrong in asking for a tiple refund? Answer: Yes, yes you are In what area? Last I checked not only I but others were jerked by unofficially stats at the start of 1.8 Am I asking they have to due to legal nonesense? Lol no i'm asking simply because I think it be a kindness by CCP that would be a huge show of faith from them to us, it's the right thing to do & within they're power. LOL
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 368	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:27:00 - [28] - Quote Nah, people thought they got away with some free candy and found out their credit card is going to be charged, bummer. Because, that's why.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 227	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:29:00 - [29] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: We all new it was bugged so any one who uses the forum especially has known this so no. Ur lucky u got to use a suit u havnt paid for they should lock ur suits till u qualify the sp requirment ur desperation and cheap rally is funny lol at ur dept. Silly you obviously didn't read my earlier reply I didn't proto it or use the free basic proto's much at all because they were terrible. Things were practically militia but their were those who did & I think they need help at this time or something atleast. Also reread what you said they did lock them & idc much for. 2nd you don't pay real money you pay ISK & to use them in the 1st place you had to pay ISK in the 1st place DUH. For me personally I was working to get SP to Level 3 then Level 3 again but was stopped at Level 3, Level 2 due to SP so I was working for the SP as I've said for a Scout for AFG that could actually use cloak but then was kicked back by CCP. Read the post entirely before you write silly things.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 916	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:31:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Yeah...... I dont care about ISK and triples SP is ridiculous.... I just wish I could have made the decision with the correct SP values presented to me. I have no sympathy for long term players who are, or should be, well aware of what a racial dropsuit costs for level 5. Anyone like you who was around for the Uprising respec should have learned then to spend your SP wisely, and slowly. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.

Cassa-Nova xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:31:00 - [31] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Silly you obviously didn't read my earlier reply I didn't proto it or use the free basic proto's much at all because they were terrible. Things were practically militia but their were those who did & I think they need help at this time or something atleast. FOTM Alert Dude you just don't know how to scout.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 581	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:31:00 - [32] - Quote Nope. ignorance to the rules does not allow you to dodge them. Should I get money from police when i get pulled over for not knowing the speed limit. #lolcats Volunteer member of the Arkombine, but i don't want out.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 227	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:31:00 - [33] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: True Adamance wrote: Yeah...... I dont care about ISK and triples SP is ridiculous.... I just wish I could have made the decision with the correct SP values presented to me. Dude you are not some newbie, you should have known that the suit skills should have cost as much as the other ones and budgeted accordingly. Well think of it this way, they let you guys spend SP on credit Not anyone's fault CCP didn't have it right 1st go then fix it but not only fix it but hurt those who did extra more. Luckily I didn't 100% & was going only for a few things on Amarr Scout.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 472	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:32:00 - [34] - Quote How is 3X what your going to lose fair? Your definition of fair is messed up. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 227	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:34:00 - [35] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Nope. ignorance to the rules does not allow you to dodge them. Should I get money from police when i get pulled over for not knowing the speed limit. Irrelevant as we all know theirs signs saying speed limit & CCP did not make any officialy comments till today after it was all done. Equalivent to changing the spped liimit in school zones from 20 MPH & below to 100 MPH. But the whole analogy is irrelevant.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 227	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:35:00 - [36] - Quote medomai grey wrote: How is 3X what your going to lose fair? Your definition of fair is messed up. Read what those do loose. This post is less about me & more about the whole issue over-all in the end it's all 1 big mess.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 581	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:36:00 - [37] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Nope. ignorance to the rules does not allow you to dodge them. Should I get money from police when i get pulled over for not knowing the speed limit. Irrelevant as we all know theirs signs saying speed limit & CCP did not make any officialy comments till today after it was all done. Equalivent to changing the spped liimit in school zones from 20 MPH & below to 100 MPH. But the whole analogy is irrelevant. Really, because i remember all of the other suits having a 8x skill multiplier. #lolcats Volunteer member of the Arkombine, but i don't want out.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 227	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:38:00 - [38] - Quote Cassa-Nova wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: Silly you obviously didn't read my earlier reply I didn't proto it or use the free basic proto's much at all because they were terrible. Things were practically militia but their were those who did & I think they need help at this time or something atleast. FOTM Alert Dude you just don't know how to scout. How on earth do Scout skills relate to this? Last I checked I took down some of infamous R0N1N as a Scount yesterday & I likewise to them. (they were everywhere these past few days having a feild day with the new toys) - Unrelated to topic though.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2764	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:38:00 - [39] - Quote Joel II X wrote: If you're a real scout, you'd be glad about this. You get to unlock your suit early with credit. If you didn't spend your SP on something else to go with your suit like biotics or something, that's your problem, not CCP's. This guy knows whats up I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 228	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:39:00 - [40] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Vinsarrow wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Nope. ignorance to the rules does not allow you to dodge them. Should I get money from police when i get pulled over for not knowing the speed limit. Irrelevant as we all know theirs signs saying speed limit & CCP did not make any officialy comments till today after it was all done. Equalivent to changing the spped liimit in school zones from 20 MPH & below to 100 MPH. But the whole analogy is irrelevant. Really, because i remember all of the other suits having a 8x skill multiplier. Who weren't messed with I believe.

Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 228	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:42:00 - [41] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Normally I would mock this thread, but I gotta give it to the guy. Demanding not just an SP refund, but a triple SP refund. You sir have balls. I like balls. +1 There is the Commando and Sidearm event. 1.5 million free SP is possible. Yes I know considering everyone's gone N7 Magsec due to it being OP at this time. Well sir I would but my spare SP was took so what I get to go militia sidearms on current OP Heavy's at the time? LOL o k
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 228	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:46:00 - [42] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Nah, people thought they got away with some free candy and found out their credit card is going to be charged, bummer. Or you could have used a debit card that if you try to buy a item or items at a given time it'll say "insuffiencent funds" if you have no money that way you avoid getting in debt. Sadly people didn't get that option.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 229	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:58:00 - [43] - Quote Now, does anyone have anything nice or respectful, or at the very least have a good debate to say? Becuase in the 1st few seconds of opening this post have been a bombardmant of the typical kidish make the 1st sarcastic comment for alot of likes nonesense. If your coming here with a "Welcome to New Eden" thing & nothing respectful or adding to say to a civil normal conversation don't bother leaving a comment. I will now only address comments that are civil on a level from here on to the topic at hand. Thank you.
Jimmy McNaulty NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 49	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:41:00 - [44] - Quote CCP EVENT TAB ON THE WEBSITE wrote: This event objective can be played in conjunction with The Commando Contingency, however, the maximum 750,000 skill point cap per character is the combined cap for both events So it's only 750K TOTAL!!!! SO you either get 750 sidearm kills only or 375 sidearm kills while wearing a commando suit... you have two weeks! ENJOY LINKY: http://dust514.com/events/sidearm-showdown-and-commando-contingency/
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 927	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:02:00 - [45] - Quote Vinsarrow wrote: Yes I know considering everyone's gone N7 Magsec due to it being OP at this time. Well sir I would but my spare SP was took so what? I get to go militia sidearms on current OP Heavy's at the time? LOL o k You didn't have spare sp. You spent more SP than you had to get what you have unlocked. How you don't get this is beyond me. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.


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