DUST Search - Guys, Assault is doing FINE.

Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:

m twiggz wrote:

bamboo x wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

If it was a scout you would be dead.
It's simple, scout > assault.

Haha. Funny joke. Unfortunately for you there is a split second window for me to react. And sometimes I kill the scout in that window.

Edit: Let me make this clear. The cloak has its disadvantages. You're spending more time trying to hide from people then you are actually killing people than you were in 1.7 as well as sacrificing some things on your dropsuit for it.

What do you mean by 'sacrificing' some things on your dropsuit for a cloak? As in the equipment slot? Because thats all you have to sacrifice. You can fully proto out a scout suit with or without a cloak with max core skills and weaponry skills. Thus, you are sacrificing nothing and gaining a cloak and still have the one equipment slot to use at your own discretion.

this is true, but only if your a cal/gal/amarr scout. Min scouts didn't get a pg buff, which is what they needed, and therefore have to run advanced mods and weapons on a proto suit to run a basic cloak, which just doesn't seem right

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bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 444	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:45:00 - [1] - Quote Tonight I was in full proto Sentinel ak.0 and I went 1 on 1 against an Assault mk.0 and I swear to GOD, he almost killed me with that OP combat rifle clipsize bonus. And my suit has a 15% resistance to projectile weapons. Think about it. Laser rifle buff and a suit with a bonus to heat buildup. Caldari has better eHP than the scout, and can keep the pressure on enemies more consistently with the reload bonus. After I get some sleep tomorrow I'm creating an alt and testing out how the Gallente's bonus applies to the Shotgun. I can already tell you how awesome the Assualt Rifle hipfire will be on that suit. Because I've been using the AR for my entire Dust experience of over 6 months. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7784	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:47:00 - [2] - Quote If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 445	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:50:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Haha. Funny joke. Unfortunately for you there is a split second window for me to react. And sometimes I kill the scout in that window. Edit: Let me make this clear. The cloak has its disadvantages. You're spending more time trying to hide from people then you are actually killing people than you were in 1.7 as well as sacrificing some things on your dropsuit for it. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1901	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:51:00 - [4] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Cat Merc wrote: If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Haha. Funny joke. Unfortunately for you there is a split second window for me to react. And sometimes I kill the scout in that window. Good joke bro. Good joke. See my sig. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1116	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:51:00 - [5] - Quote Amarr Assault won't be 'doing just fine' after the heatup-bonus bug is fixed. It will KILL. Oh how I wait for that day. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 445	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:55:00 - [6] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: bamboo x wrote: Cat Merc wrote: If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Haha. Funny joke. Unfortunately for you there is a split second window for me to react. And sometimes I kill the scout in that window. Good joke bro. Good joke. See my sig. I've been dropping proto scouts like they're hot all day. Is that what you meant? B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 576	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:57:00 - [7] - Quote Assault suits are worthless ATM. Logis and scouts fit better than assaults. Logis get more hp scouts are faster and have good bonuses Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Scar Scrilla UN1TED NATIONS Caps and Mercs 194	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:58:00 - [8] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: bamboo x wrote: Cat Merc wrote: If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Haha. Funny joke. Unfortunately for you there is a split second window for me to react. And sometimes I kill the scout in that window. Good joke bro. Good joke. See my sig. I've been dropping proto scouts like they're hot all day. Is that what you meant? Really? "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" "Go and hack the letter(s)" - Join our public channel: UN1TE
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 447	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:06:00 - [9] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Really? Yeah even with a basic Sentinel M-1 not even joking. Guys you are OVERLOOKING the Gallente bonus to shotguns. A shotgun with a BETTER RANGE? B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1901	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:06:00 - [10] - Quote Put 2 players of equal skill in a 1 v 1. 1 in a scout suit (Gal scout/cal scout). 1 in a assault suit (Minmatar assault). Both with CR. Who do you think will win? => The one with the fastest strafe speed => Scout Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 447	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:09:00 - [11] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Put 2 players of equal skill in a 1 v 1. 1 in a scout suit (Gal scout/cal scout). 1 in a assault suit (Gallente assault) Both with SG Who do you think will win? => The one with the accurate hipfire => Gallente assault Fixed Anyway guys, I'm going to bed B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 381	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:09:00 - [12] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Put 2 players of equal skill in a 1 v 1. 1 in a scout suit (Gal scout/cal scout). 1 in a assault suit (Minmatar assault). Both with CR. Who do you think will win? => The one with the fastest strafe speed => Scout The one with the better gun game.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1902	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:11:00 - [13] - Quote I already said two players with equal gun game and strafe skills. You cannot just come in here and change that assumption. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 381	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:14:00 - [14] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Cat Merc wrote: If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Haha. Funny joke. Unfortunately for you there is a split second window for me to react. And sometimes I kill the scout in that window. Edit: Let me make this clear. The cloak has its disadvantages. You're spending more time trying to hide from people then you are actually killing people than you were in 1.7 as well as sacrificing some things on your dropsuit for it. What do you mean by 'sacrificing' some things on your dropsuit for a cloak? As in the equipment slot? Because thats all you have to sacrifice. You can fully proto out a scout suit with or without a cloak with max core skills and weaponry skills. Thus, you are sacrificing nothing and gaining a cloak and still have the one equipment slot to use at your own discretion.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 381	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:16:00 - [15] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: I already said two players with equal gun game and strafe skills. You cannot just come in here and change that assumption. But I did come in here and change that assumption. BOOM.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 447	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:16:00 - [16] - Quote m twiggz wrote: What do you mean by 'sacrificing' some things on your dropsuit for a cloak? As in the equipment slot? Because thats all you have to sacrifice. You can fully proto out a scout suit with or without a cloak with max core skills and weaponry skills. Thus, you are sacrificing nothing and gaining a cloak and still have the one equipment slot to use at your own discretion. You were saying you're not bothering with the proto cloak though Whatever dude, I'm not a scout yet and I need to go to sleep so IDGAF B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4628	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:24:00 - [17] - Quote 2 players of equal skill, each hitting a pair of brick-tanked Heavies from behind while the Heavies are busy with something keeping them from turning to engage. Who kills the pair faster? The one with faster reload (Assault), or tighter hipfire spread (Assault) or better weapon buffs (Assault). 2 players of equal skill, each being shot at by multiple enemies every time they step out of cover. Which one is more likely to survive long enough to get a kill? Scout or Assault (pro-tip: It's not the Scout) There are scenarios where a Scout is a better option. There are scenarios where an Assault is a better option. Being good at playing to your suit's strengths is only part of what makes a good player. Understanding and avoiding your weaknesses is also important, and so is understanding your ENEMY'S strengths and weaknesses.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2212	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:39:00 - [18] - Quote The problem with Assaults is that they are not special anymore. They are generic soldiers now. The Commando is the new Assault high damage and high tank murder specialist (once all 4 AV weapons are out), the scout is the old assaults new assault, and heavies are once again the tankers (with to much damage imo). There is no room for the assault as it currently stands. What the Assault should bring is a highly mobile damage unit. More mobile than the scout yet slower. What the assault needs is... JETPACKS For the Federation!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7787	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:07:00 - [19] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Scar Scrilla wrote: Really? Yeah even with a basic Sentinel M-1 not even joking. Guys you are OVERLOOKING the Gallente bonus to shotguns. A shotgun with a BETTER RANGE? Do you realize that the Gallente bonus actually makes the shotgun worse? It's like with the HMG, it was too accurate. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 807	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:12:00 - [20] - Quote One Assault almost killing you doesn't prove that Assaults are completely fine. If that were the case, Beethoven proves that being deaf is useful in the music industry. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1884	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:14:00 - [21] - Quote I haven't used the Assault since 1.8, though compared to what experience I have had with it, the commando is so much better. I've been using it as a Heavy Assault and I like it. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1222	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:23:00 - [22] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Tonight I was in full proto Sentinel ak.0 and I went 1 on 1 against an Assault mk.0 and I swear to GOD, he almost killed me with that OP combat rifle clipsize bonus. And my suit has a 15% resistance to projectile weapons. Think about it. Laser rifle buff and a suit with a bonus to heat buildup. Caldari has better eHP than the scout, and can keep the pressure on enemies more consistently with the reload bonus. After I get some sleep tomorrow I'm creating an alt and testing out how the Gallente's bonus applies to the Shotgun. I can already tell you how awesome the Assualt Rifle hipfire will be on that suit. Because I've been using the AR for my entire Dust experience of over 6 months. You lost your credibility when you said CALDARI ASSAULT BONUS is fine !!! People will tbag you for saying such a thing... I got rid of my Caldari Assault suit (After Almost using it for 2 years) I tried sticking to it when everyone jumped for lol-CalLogi and GalLogi Now it's just beyond useless
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2063	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:33:00 - [23] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: One Assault almost killing you doesn't prove that Assaults are completely fine. If that were the case, Beethoven proves that being deaf is useful in the music industry. +1 for the Beetoven reference... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2444	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:33:00 - [24] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: One Assault almost killing you doesn't prove that Assaults are completely fine. If that were the case, Beethoven proves that being deaf is useful in the music industry. GUYS JUST LET ME STICK THIS SCREWDRIVER IN YOUR EARS IT'LL MAKE YOU A PRO COMPOSER I PROMISE You so very much like taking your own anecdotes and assuming that because this thing happened once it must happen always and you're right because reasons. First: boasting about bad scores. Second: 'perfect team' gets outplayed and roflstomped. Now this - 'I nearly got 1v1ed by an assault suit guys and I'm so good at this game (see previously mentioned OP scores) so clearly assaults are fine and you are all just bad'. I find it far more credible that you're just a bad heavy and that the significant portion of the community claiming that assaults are meaningless in the current meta is correct. Garrett Blacknova wrote: 2 players of equal skill, each hitting a pair of brick-tanked Heavies from behind while the Heavies are busy with something keeping them from turning to engage. Who kills the pair faster? The one with faster reload (Assault), or tighter hipfire spread (Assault) or better weapon buffs (Assault). 2 players of equal skill, each being shot at by multiple enemies every time they step out of cover. Which one is more likely to survive long enough to get a kill? Scout or Assault (pro-tip: It's not the Scout) There are scenarios where a Scout is a better option. There are scenarios where an Assault is a better option. Being good at playing to your suit's strengths is only part of what makes a good player. Understanding and avoiding your weaknesses is also important, and so is understanding your ENEMY'S strengths and weaknesses. This is all true, but it's also a slightly dishonest argument. (Not that I'm saying you intended it that way) Who's more likely to get into a position where they can outflank? Not the assault with its huge profile and low speeds. A situation like the one you describe, with multiple enemies firing on you? The increased survivability afforded by the Assault's slightly larger HP pool is not significant enough to define the suit. Especially since it's far harder to put a scout in that situation thanks to scan precision and, again, movement speeds. ak.0 4 LYFE Guess who's butthurt about light-assaults!? <------This guy!!
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 846	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:41:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Only If he outplays you . Assaults still can get more eHP and according to this community that's all that counts...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 846	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:44:00 - [26] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Assault suits are worthless ATM. Logis and scouts fit better than assaults. Logis get more hp scouts are faster and have good bonuses This is sooooooo funny back in the old days where evry one was complaining about slayer logis speed was never an advantage because the logis could out tank assaults. Every time I told them the speed disadvantage was there they laughed and stated speed tanking is dead and now this assaults complaining that scout are faster...
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 256	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:48:00 - [27] - Quote assaults are all about dmage projection and being in the fight longer than any other suit. if assaults are usless you tell me how my assault gk.o with its breach ar adn ion pistol beat practiaclly any suit i see, little to no dispersion on the breach ar and reduced kick means that more shots land and more damage is applied. sersily how do people miss this fact. just because the assault dosnt have a damage bonus like a commando or the stealth of a scout. it is faster than a commando and has alot more hp than a scout. the assault isnt about raw damage. assaults are more for damage projection and more sustanibilty in prolonged engagments. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 457	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:11:00 - [28] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: bamboo x wrote: Tonight I was in full proto Sentinel ak.0 and I went 1 on 1 against an Assault mk.0 and I swear to GOD, he almost killed me with that OP combat rifle clipsize bonus. And my suit has a 15% resistance to projectile weapons. Think about it. Laser rifle buff and a suit with a bonus to heat buildup. Caldari has better eHP than the scout, and can keep the pressure on enemies more consistently with the reload bonus. After I get some sleep tomorrow I'm creating an alt and testing out how the Gallente's bonus applies to the Shotgun. I can already tell you how awesome the Assualt Rifle hipfire will be on that suit. Because I've been using the AR for my entire Dust experience of over 6 months. You lost your credibility when you said CALDARI ASSAULT BONUS is fine !!! People will tbag you for saying such a thing... I got rid of my Caldari Assault suit (After Almost using it for 2 years) I tried sticking to it when everyone jumped for lol-CalLogi and GalLogi Now it's just beyond useless Like we teabagged the Generals? Look dude. You can't tell me that a faster reload speed on a SNIPER RIFLE is a bad bonus. Or ANY WEAPON for that matter. I don't care. I've been using the Dragonfly C-1 blueprint for 6 months and I will continue to kill people in it. And this is with a lack of any bonuses besides my passive shield increase and AR proficiency. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 330	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:15:00 - [29] - Quote m twiggz wrote: bamboo x wrote: Cat Merc wrote: If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Haha. Funny joke. Unfortunately for you there is a split second window for me to react. And sometimes I kill the scout in that window. Edit: Let me make this clear. The cloak has its disadvantages. You're spending more time trying to hide from people then you are actually killing people than you were in 1.7 as well as sacrificing some things on your dropsuit for it. What do you mean by 'sacrificing' some things on your dropsuit for a cloak? As in the equipment slot? Because thats all you have to sacrifice. You can fully proto out a scout suit with or without a cloak with max core skills and weaponry skills. Thus, you are sacrificing nothing and gaining a cloak and still have the one equipment slot to use at your own discretion. this is true, but only if your a cal/gal/amarr scout. Min scouts didn't get a pg buff, which is what they needed, and therefore have to run advanced mods and weapons on a proto suit to run a basic cloak, which just doesn't seem right Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4824	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:36:00 - [30] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: m twiggz wrote: bamboo x wrote: Cat Merc wrote: If it was a scout you would be dead. It's simple, scout > assault. Haha. Funny joke. Unfortunately for you there is a split second window for me to react. And sometimes I kill the scout in that window. Edit: Let me make this clear. The cloak has its disadvantages. You're spending more time trying to hide from people then you are actually killing people than you were in 1.7 as well as sacrificing some things on your dropsuit for it. What do you mean by 'sacrificing' some things on your dropsuit for a cloak? As in the equipment slot? Because thats all you have to sacrifice. You can fully proto out a scout suit with or without a cloak with max core skills and weaponry skills. Thus, you are sacrificing nothing and gaining a cloak and still have the one equipment slot to use at your own discretion. this is true, but only if your a cal/gal/amarr scout. Min scouts didn't get a pg buff, which is what they needed, and therefore have to run advanced mods and weapons on a proto suit to run a basic cloak, which just doesn't seem right None of the other scouts got buffs. A bug that made it so that all tiers had the same amount of CPU/PG as the standard was fixed. No buff. Also, the Cloak is kind of dumb and a waste of space. Scouts moving around are EXTREMELY obvious. Oh, and if you want PG so bad you can go and get 25% more by skipping into Engineering. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦á_a¦á



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