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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:15:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:Put your crutches away, remove cloaks and play scouts properly.
Stuff about how you think everyone should play according to your self-appointed rules.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:49:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Cotsy8 wrote: I don't understand the incredible complexities offered by the EVE universe but those who do are bad because they see tactical advantages that I do not. Tell an EVE pilot that cloaks serve no purpose and watch them petition to have you banned from their forums. Ill say it as I did yesterday. Awareness is OP, nerf eyesight. This isn't EVE. This is a FPS. The only relation between games is the developer. You cannot apply things from EVE to a FPS game as a justification for anything. Applying a cloak into a game which doesnt need it, a class which doesn't require it is uncalled for and only creates unbalance and bbullshit. You never disputed anything about cloaks, they usefulness or ability to dominate. My argument clearly shows that the cloak removes awareness. There's no reason to double check before waking in open, or hacking, or climbing. Cloak and make stupid decisions and they work out. Thats bulkshit. Learn how to play properly and take the right paths. Make the right decisions knowing you're a low eHP class and can't be caught in the open. Of scouts want to be the new slayer Logi, thats unfortunate. It shouldn't be the case, scout shouldn't have 6 k/d. They should use movement and strategy and kill to get kills and hack objectives.
New Eden. Shared universe. Shared lore.
Also, the developers aren't really the same. Eve is developed by CCP Iceland, whereas Dust is developed by CCP Shanghai. They are very different outfits it seems.
Also, expect more stuff to come to Dust. Dust will need new content. Dust will need creative new content to survive, and this will mean mining the Eve/New Eden lore.
Perhaps you should look elsewhere?
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:29:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:long winded rebuff.
Clearly, not everyone agrees that the cloak is a problem. Please stop writing like you speak for everyone.
I think variety and creativity are important for a game. I'm sorry you don't.
But, I wasn't just expressing my opinion. Dust will get more gear, and it will come from the Eve/New Eden lore as it should.
So, again, perhaps you should look elsewhere. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:02:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote: I'm saying scouts deniers are morons, they are the new tanks. They can't recognize they got it too good. Scouts suffered before and excel now but it's not due to anything but advantage provided to them to cancel out their poor gameplay and terrible decision making. Many did quite fine in 1.7 and 1.8 provided new classes and more slot for goodies to help those suffering.
Recognize cloaks are unneeded, don't be a tank fool who feels everything is fine being UP. You want to be the new slayer class, you want to do well now cause you sucked before? No one has given me a single argument for a cloak, nothing. Just terrible comparisons to how they sucked before and now are always top 3 in their games. You sucked for a reason, poor gameplay. Scouts in 1.7 could got 25-5 and could go 12-15, there's nothing wrong with that.
Just cause you were **** in 1.7 and now have this unneeded new toy to cover your poor gameplay doesn't mean the new toy is a good thing. Scouts did well in 1.7 but dominate now, that's not how it should be. Don't be a tanker who doesn't see there is a major problem. Scouts got nice buffs in 1.8 and cloaks shouldn't have been included.
Stop being the new tank class, admit cloaks are not required. Scouts are fine without them.
Let me actually address your statement here.
Anyone claiming that everyone who doesn't think like you is a moron,, well, I think you know that's not only counterfactual but incredibly rude and short sighted.
What I'll say regarding whether the cloak is OP or not is that it's too early to tell. Please, take some time and play the game and see how the community reacts. Two weeks minimum. Then start whining and calling other people names if you must, but right now, it's far too premature.
Also, arguments stemming from "that's not how it should be use" are moot to begin with.
I will not recognize that cloaks are unneeded. In fact I will say that Dust still needs tons more gear to be a viable, long term game. This is self evident. And as I've mentioned a few times now, these new items will come from examples in Eve and it's lore, and this is appropriate.
Also, as evidenced elsewhere in your rambling posts, you are far too myopic and quick to place blame. I don't even play scouts. Yeah, read it again. I don't play scouts, so all your "you just want to be OP.." is pure BS.
The game is not fine. The game needs more content. Cloaks are a valuable addition, but they will not be the last.
So I say, once more, knowing this now:
Perhaps you should be looking elsewhere for an FPS that meets your needs, because your needs seem to be out of step with Dust as it is now, and as it will be. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:43:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Cotsy8 wrote: I'm saying scouts deniers are morons, they are the new tanks. They can't recognize they got it too good. Scouts suffered before and excel now but it's not due to anything but advantage provided to them to cancel out their poor gameplay and terrible decision making. Many did quite fine in 1.7 and 1.8 provided new classes and more slot for goodies to help those suffering.
Recognize cloaks are unneeded, don't be a tank fool who feels everything is fine being UP. You want to be the new slayer class, you want to do well now cause you sucked before? No one has given me a single argument for a cloak, nothing. Just terrible comparisons to how they sucked before and now are always top 3 in their games. You sucked for a reason, poor gameplay. Scouts in 1.7 could got 25-5 and could go 12-15, there's nothing wrong with that.
Just cause you were **** in 1.7 and now have this unneeded new toy to cover your poor gameplay doesn't mean the new toy is a good thing. Scouts did well in 1.7 but dominate now, that's not how it should be. Don't be a tanker who doesn't see there is a major problem. Scouts got nice buffs in 1.8 and cloaks shouldn't have been included.
Stop being the new tank class, admit cloaks are not required. Scouts are fine without them.
Let me actually address your statement here. Anyone claiming that everyone who doesn't think like you is a moron,, well, I think you know that's not only counterfactual but incredibly rude and short sighted. What I'll say regarding whether the cloak is OP or not is that it's too early to tell. Please, take some time and play the game and see how the community reacts. Two weeks minimum. Then start whining and calling other people names if you must, but right now, it's far too premature. Also, arguments stemming from "that's not how it should be use" are moot to begin with. I will not recognize that cloaks are unneeded. In fact I will say that Dust still needs tons more gear to be a viable, long term game. This is self evident. And as I've mentioned a few times now, these new items will come from examples in Eve and it's lore, and this is appropriate. Also, as evidenced elsewhere in your rambling posts, you are far too myopic and quick to place blame. I don't even play scouts. Yeah, read it again. I don't play scouts, so all your "you just want to be OP.." is pure BS. The game is not fine. The game needs more content. Cloaks are a valuable addition, but they will not be the last. So I say, once more, knowing this now: Perhaps you should be looking elsewhere for an FPS that meets your needs, because your needs seem to be out of step with Dust as it is now, and as it will be. I'm stating that like tank deniers, who feel their tanks are no Up and running x3 hardeners and being unkillable is how things are suppose to be... I'm comparing this to the new breed of slayer scouts who cloaks are a crutch. A way to cover up most if not glaring gameplay mistakes (or lack of skill). I'm saying like tankers who can make so many mistakes and they aren't serious effected because hardeners x3 cover their asses, that scouts use cloaks as such a function. It's not required for a scout to excel, just like x3 hardeners are not required for tanks to excel. Make a mistake while a scout, and there are many mistakes to be made, the cloaks covers your ass. It covers up poor gameplay, lack of skill, etc.. And everyone seems to love it. Cloaks are 95% positive by those inside the scout class, who now have the ability to slay like an old Logi slayer. I'm just trying to point out: 1. Cloaks aren't needed to excel as a scout. 2. Cloaks are a huge crutch for lack of skill. 3. Cloaks are not necessary and create unbalance. Scouts aren't going to acknowledge how good they've become and the 1.8 buffs help but the cloak is the primary reason for it. Scouts are running around with their heads cut off, no skill, no thought, just slaying. And scouts think this is right, i want to point out this isn't. We've had it hard so as a community of scouts we should recognize cloaks aren't required to be a competitive and even downright dominant class. There's a significant impact a scout can have in a match regardless of a cloak. It's not needed. Dust will get plenty more gear, weapons, vehicles, equipment... Cloaks aren't necessary for this to happen.
You clearly don't get it.
Last time. Your playstyle doesn't determine how the rest of us should play. You don't like cloaks, don't use them. An appeal to "skill" or covering up mistakes is infantile. The game has tools, people will use them. People should use them.
If you think they cloaks are OP, fine. I still say, hold off for a couple of weeks, because what may seem OP at first blush, might work it's way out.
Fundamentally, I find your attitude of "If it's not my way, or according to my ideas, it is complete and utter idiocy" to be childish and offensive.
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