DUST Search - Cloaks; New Problems

Arirana wrote:

Almost everyone was excited to see how cloaks work and to try it out for themselves. From first hand experience, I can say with confidence that they are working. Perhaps working a little too well.

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/233/2283
(a fit that is unscannable, invisible, and costs about 37k)

The major problem with cloaks isn't the recharge rate, though a problem, it's not what utterly breaks gameplay.

The problem is the fact the cloak rewards players that would rather set up shop in a corner somewhere rather than run around and play the game. Dust was one of the few FPS games that didn't have this problem as the TTK was always high enough for you to be able to turn on these corner campers and shoot back. Camping is legitimate, but cloaks make it OP, therefore overused and annoying.

The cloak needs to do as it was intended to do, and not reward campers. The cloak needs to make the player harder to scan and see when they are MOVING, not standing still. It was originally thought up to help scouts get in their optimal ranges with weapons such as the shotgun and the nova knife, not wait for players to get into your optimal range for you.

The cloak visibility while moving is PERFECT. We need to find a solution to make standing still less rewarding than moving around.

This way, scouts will gain the urge to keep moving, making gameplay not only more fun for them, but for their targets as well.

To make this clearer, the cloak grants campers the ability to choose all of their engagements and be the first to start shooting everytime. This offsets the balance between Camping, a legitimate strategy, but extremely boring when over used, and the Run n Gun play style, which is also boring when over used.

These two play styles are polar opposites, as well as the most used. They have to be balanced with eachother, to meet the needs of passive and aggressive players.

So alternatively, CCP could instead make two variants of the cloak, the one that rewards standing still, and one that rewards moving around.

EDIT: You are all assuming that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I know this stuff because I am one of those scouts. It's stupid. being rewarded for not moving at all isn't fun. I am unscannable, invisible, and my shotgun hits like a truck before you can even realize what happened. I can just hug a wall, in wait for someone to try and take my letter from me. As soon as you get on that panel, and can come up behind you and land a slug in the back of your head, you will not see me, and you will not be able to scan me.


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Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 108	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 - [1] - Quote Arirana wrote: Almost everyone was excited to see how cloaks work and to try it out for themselves. From first hand experience, I can say with confidence that they are *working. Perhaps working a little too well. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/233/2283 (a fit that is unscannable, invisible, and costs about 37k) The major* problem with cloaks isn't the recharge rate, though a problem, it's not what utterly breaks gameplay. The problem is the fact the cloak rewards players that would rather set up shop in a corner somewhere rather than run around and play the game. Dust was one of the few FPS games that didn't have this problem as the TTK was always high enough for you to be able to turn on these corner campers and shoot back. Camping is legitimate, but cloaks make it OP, therefore overused and annoying. The cloak needs to do as it was intended to do, and not reward campers. The cloak needs to make the player harder to scan and see when they are *MOVING, not standing still. It was originally thought up to help scouts get in their optimal ranges with weapons such as the shotgun and the nova knife, not wait for players to get into your optimal range for you.* The cloak visibility while moving is PERFECT. We need to find a solution to make standing still less rewarding than moving around. This way, scouts will gain the urge to keep moving, making gameplay not only more fun for them, but for their targets as well. To make this clearer, the cloak grants campers the ability to choose all of their engagements and be the first to start shooting everytime. This offsets the balance between Camping, a legitimate strategy, but extremely boring when over used, and the Run n Gun play style, which is also boring when over used. These two play styles are polar opposites, as well as the most used. They have to be balanced with eachother, to meet the needs of passive and aggressive players. *So alternatively, CCP could instead make two variants of the cloak, the one that rewards standing still, and one that rewards moving around.* EDIT: You are all assuming that I have no idea what I'm talking about. I know this stuff because I am one of those scouts. It's stupid. being rewarded for not moving at all isn't fun. I am unscannable, invisible, and my shotgun hits like a truck before you can even realize what happened. I can just hug a wall, in wait for someone to try and take my letter from me. As soon as you get on that panel, and can come up behind you and land a slug in the back of your head, you will not see me, and you will not be able to scan me. Explain to me why scout need cloaks. 1. Want to hack objective without needing to have awareness? 2. Want to make errors and run across open spaces and not get killed? 3. Want to be the new Logi slayer instead if being the agile and fragile suit you're suppose to be? 4. Want to run to the front lines and cloak and and not bother with strategic gameplay or positioning? 5. Want t be able to 1v1 kill heavies when you're not really suppose to? I don't understand the need for the cloak, scouts are fine without it. They got a buff which should be plenty of help even before getting a new cloak in 1.8.