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Nosid Katona
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:50:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:The CR should melt things at CQ, but it does seem to be doing that at too far a range. Minmatar weapons are supposed to be deadly up close with a small optimal. After that they trail off to less damage at falloff or effective range.
They are supposed to have a big range, but that is falloff range. Whereas blasters have a longer optimal range albeit a short range.
Before anyone says lore and EVE don't matter GÇô yes they do matter. This whole game is based on and is an extension of the racial combat philosophies. Otherwise, why slap EVE on the title and have it take place in New Eden?
I thought that was supposed to be Blasters, low range high damage CQC masters with falloff that limits their range. If CR is supposed to be king close, with SCR king at mid or 1v1 engaments, and RR is king of long range, where does that leave the Blaster or AR?
Vae Victis
Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
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Nosid Katona
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:52:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Nosid Katona wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:The CR should melt things at CQ, but it does seem to be doing that at too far a range. Minmatar weapons are supposed to be deadly up close with a small optimal. After that they trail off to less damage at falloff or effective range.
They are supposed to have a big range, but that is falloff range. Whereas blasters have a longer optimal range albeit a short range.
Before anyone says lore and EVE don't matter GÇô yes they do matter. This whole game is based on and is an extension of the racial combat philosophies. Otherwise, why slap EVE on the title and have it take place in New Eden? I thought that was supposed to be Blasters, low range high damage CQC masters with falloff that limits their range. If CR is supposed to be king close, with SCR king at mid or 1v1 engaments, and RR is king of long range, where does that leave the Blaster or AR? Blasters have high tracking and a short range. They do full damage at most of that range with minimal falloff. The Minny turrets have high RoF and have greater range, but most of that range is falloff. The optimal is shorter than the blaster full range or at least the same amount. I'm sure things have been tweaked since I last played EVE. That is the general philosophy of the turret types though.
This still doesn't answer my other question, if CR is CQC, Scrambler mid/1v1, and rail is long range, where does this leave the AR? Where does it excell that others do not?
A note though; Please don't give me the whole "good at everything, master of none" line either as this is untrue and kind of getting old. The AR right now is a "Decent at a couple things, bad at most" to be quite honest.
Edit: Errors fixed.
Vae Victis
Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
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Nosid Katona
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:55:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Nosid Katona wrote:This still doesn't answer my other question, if CR is CQC, Scrambler mid/1v1, and rail is long range, where does this leave the AR? Where does it excel that others do not? The AR is underperforming right now. Let's compare the Duvolle Assault Rifle to the Boundless Combat Rifle... The CR has: more DPS, better optimal range, better accuracy rating, faster reload speed, and requires less PG/CPU. The AR has: a larger clip by 4 rounds. So I feel for AR users. I'm not completely sure the AR needed as hard of a damage nerf as it got. I feel the combat rifle needs it's optimal reduced by 20% and it's fitting requirements brought closer to the AR's as well. That's where I would start, but I don't have the data CCP has at their fingertips.
At least we agree the AR is underperforming.
Honestly I know people, one who is very vocal who will remain anonymous, that are glad the AR is where it is. They usualy respond with "Good, it was king for so long it should suck for at lest a year if not indefinitely." it annoys me. Honestly I will reapply behind things I think needs tweaking or buffing yet the second I ask for my role or weapon to be balanced I am being selfish and "Just another assault with an AR who wants to be the best at everything." I'm not, I just want my role to have a place. :/
Vae Victis
Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
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