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Krad Gunnerson
The Jita Martyr's Brigade
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:58:00 -
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1- You can't shoot people while cloaked
2- You have to switch to your cloaking device to use it
3- If you switch out of the cloaking device to another piece of equipment/gun you uncloak
4- You shimmer while moving
5- If uncloak in a group of enemies, you will likely die.
6- Related to 5 however, if you cloak in a massive firefight it allows you to escape and move behind their position like it should.
7- "Spamming," AKA tracking enemies, cloaking, decloaking, killing one person, then cloaking to get away, is a good tactic not OP.
8- What did you think cloak was supposed to be used for? |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
1064
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:59:00 -
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Problem is too many people are using it in one match, but they'll know its terrible soon after.
Assassination is my thing.
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Derpty Derp
It's All Gone Derp
177
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:00:00 -
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People complaining about the cloak already? It's not that great, if you're on your own people can easily spot you if you move or have moved recently... Meanwhile in a massive firefight you can cloak and get round behind people while they're distracted and cause devastation, but of course scanners can still scan, even though you have to point it somewhere now. |
Echo 1991
WarRavens
League of Infamy
144
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:01:00 -
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The fact that on proto scout suits cant be scanned unless its a proto scanner on a lvl 5 gal logi. It doesnt have a good counter so yeah. |
Krad Gunnerson
The Jita Martyr's Brigade
6
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:04:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Problem is too many people are using it in one match, but they'll know its terrible soon after.
Meh, HAVs are still waaaaay more important in matches than having cloaked scouts . 16 cloaked scouts with Swarm launchers might be funny though.... |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
1097
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:07:00 -
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well considering you can switch to weapons so fast and pop a few rounds into a redberry before your cloak completely de-cloaks and still re-cloak afterwards (if you have enough energy left) and when the redberry turns around (if still alive) he wont be able to see you if you remain still.
then we have whole teams using cloaks and the battlefield looks devoid of any enemy activity unless you or someone is carrying scanners. 
YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!!
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Corporation
428
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:13:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:well considering you can switch to weapons so fast and pop a few rounds into a redberry before your cloak completely de-cloaks and still re-cloak afterwards (if you have enough energy left) and when the redberry turns around (if still alive) he wont be able to see you if you remain still. then we have whole teams using cloaks and the battlefield looks devoid of any enemy activity unless you or someone is carrying scanners.
Use the scanner then... I dont get your point... |
Gh0st C0de
Spirit Collective
116
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:21:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:then we have whole teams using cloaks and the battlefield looks devoid of any enemy activity unless you or someone is carrying scanners.
Okay, I'm not home for the day so I've yet to play, but this stealth warfare idea sounds awesome to me. It's guerrilla style, you have to hunt them down or employ suppression tactics, deploy your tanks and bombard objectives. It's another combat flavor that adds variety to the game which, in my opinion, is a great thing. It sucks just having a bunch of assaults running around with little but weapon choice and a few flavor tweaks to differentiate them. At that point we can go pick up Call of Duty. I like CoD, don't get me wrong, but Dusts strength (theoretically) is its customization for different strategies. Having vehicles and installations is great, but the real strength is having differing infantry to fight. You have to develop an adaptable strategy, something beyond point and shoot whenever you see movement with an appropriate colored name/chevron.
I'm excited to see how this runs when I get home.
Addendum: Once the novelty wears off cloaks will be left to scouts who can equip them efficiently. I doubt everyone's going to go scout, it's my go-to suit and it's not always a picnic. |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
1099
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:23:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Chibi Andy wrote:well considering you can switch to weapons so fast and pop a few rounds into a redberry before your cloak completely de-cloaks and still re-cloak afterwards (if you have enough energy left) and when the redberry turns around (if still alive) he wont be able to see you if you remain still. then we have whole teams using cloaks and the battlefield looks devoid of any enemy activity unless you or someone is carrying scanners. Use the scanner then... I dont get your point...
im a heavy, i have no equipment slots. everyone is too busy playing hide and seek with the cloaking device to bother carrying any
YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!!
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Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
735
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:27:00 -
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The problem is suits like the galante scout can do all the thing above with roughly 800 hp (more than a lot of assault suits). If the scout is going to be speed, cloak, and dagger then it shouldn't also be as tanked as an assault suit.
My only problem is I beleive the cloaky scout should be a glass cannon, however right now it has as strong of a tank as assault suits. |
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:31:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:The fact that on proto scout suits cant be scanned unless its a proto scanner on a lvl 5 gal logi. It doesnt have a good counter so yeah.
I have the perfect counter. Ready? I t requires only two skills to skill up into.
Situational awareness and Eyesight to level 2.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Gh0st C0de
Spirit Collective
117
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:31:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:The problem is suits like the galante scout can do all the thing above with roughly 800 hp (more than a lot of assault suits). If the scout is going to be speed, cloak, and dagger then it shouldn't also be as tanked as an assault suit.
My only problem is I beleive the cloaky scout should be a glass cannon, however right now it has as strong of a tank as assault suits.
I believe Cal Scout is the easiest to turn into a speed-assault, according to the scout community. The armor stacking on Gal Scout dampens their speed and ability to scout properly, scout augments are largely low-slot items. However, Cal Scout can stack shields and still have the lows for dampeners and biotics. |
Hir Ranthar
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:40:00 -
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My favorite element (and one who has run scout since he started in the closed beta) is how the cloak cuts out the majority of the sound you'd normally hear on the battlefield.
Many long time scouts (and snipers, and anyone else who bothered to take notice really) take a lot of cues from the audio design in Dust.
The cloak very heavily negates that. (Somewhat gimping my battlefield awareness that comes from that audio, which I think is a very subtle balancing factor.)
Hell, when I was first testing it I thought that the MagSec already had its silencer, since I was dying to it and could hardly hear it fire.
All that, or I'm bugged.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain - It's time to roll the dice
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Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:41:00 -
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Krad Gunnerson wrote:1- You can't shoot people while cloaked
2- You have to switch to your cloaking device to use it
3- If you switch out of the cloaking device to another piece of equipment/gun you uncloak
4- You shimmer while moving
5- If uncloak in a group of enemies, you will likely die.
6- Related to 5 however, if you cloak in a massive firefight it allows you to escape and move behind their position like it should.
7- "Spamming," AKA tracking enemies, cloaking, decloaking, killing one person, then cloaking to get away, is a good tactic not OP.
8- What did you think cloak was supposed to be used for?
you guys are beast. as a healer logi its good to know that we have scouts flanking those would be attackers. i have no complaints. keep up the good work scouts. |
pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Corporation
433
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:01:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:pagl1u M wrote:Chibi Andy wrote:well considering you can switch to weapons so fast and pop a few rounds into a redberry before your cloak completely de-cloaks and still re-cloak afterwards (if you have enough energy left) and when the redberry turns around (if still alive) he wont be able to see you if you remain still. then we have whole teams using cloaks and the battlefield looks devoid of any enemy activity unless you or someone is carrying scanners. Use the scanner then... I dont get your point... im a heavy, i have no equipment slots. everyone is too busy playing hide and seek with the cloaking device to bother carrying any
You, as a heavy, are supposed to be supported by a team (a logi). Are you playing all alone? It is your fault! |
Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
1107
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:12:00 -
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The cloak is improperly designed.
You can shoot while cloaked if you switch to your gun. the decloaking animation(Which shouldn't exist) leaves you invisible for a couple seconds.
How every other game with a cloak handles it: If you can shoot, the second you fire, you're fully visible. If you decloak, you're fully visible that instant. None of this decloak animation crap.
If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
300
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:15:00 -
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well if everyones using it then that means there's probably less tanks
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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Derpty Derp
It's All Gone Derp
178
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:06:00 -
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Krad Gunnerson wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Problem is too many people are using it in one match, but they'll know its terrible soon after. Meh, HAVs are still waaaaay more important in matches than having cloaked scouts . 16 cloaked scouts with Swarm launchers might be funny though....
I will spec into proto swarm launchers if you want to make this happen where all 16 guys decloak around a single tank before annihilating it!
Tectonic Fusion wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The fact that on proto scout suits cant be scanned unless its a proto scanner on a lvl 5 gal logi. It doesnt have a good counter so yeah. I have the perfect counter. Ready? I t requires only two skills to skill up into. Situational awareness and Eyesight to level 2.
You can forgo the eyesight lvl 2 with a good pair of glasses. |
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