DUST Search - Hilarious! Take back this utter tripe CCP

Dheez wrote:

Skihids wrote:

As a multi-decade IT guy I'm wondering about the base structure of the code. Some posts refer to hard coded values not in the database. That means code hacks to recognize and process the non-standard variables. Any time you add custom patches you introduce more points of failure and make the code more difficult to understand and modify.

Long term projects tend to accrete these sort of hacks over time and eventually become unmaintainable. One simple change affects some custom patch and breaks something completely unrelated. Simple changes need to change hard coded values on top of changing the data record. Eventually the last guy who understood the spaghetti code leaves and the new guys are afraid to change anything because they don't know what it will do.

Either the application gets a permanent code freeze or is completely rewritten to get a clean code base.

The number of issues in 1.8 suggests CCP is experiencing this issue after a couple years of continuous development.

I believe Decent Programmers know this adage: GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) CCP programmers; Are you familiar with it?

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CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1149	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:51:00 - [1] - Quote A "Known Issues" list that is about as long as the patch notes supporting the release. Old bugs popping back up from ages ago. Hit detection screwy. Lack of effort, lack of anything and you are actually taking the ** out of your player base at this point. Well whats left of it anyway. You think you can just casually release this untested garbage? I expect some problems but this is ridiculous. We thought 1.7 was bad.... this patch has all of the same problems of 1.7 with the added horse crap of 1.8 LMAO. Its actually really amusing in a totally fked up way. Yes I am mad, but more than that, disappointed. Thanks for the joke CCP I am sure memes will be created in your dishonour. Investigate 9/11
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12502	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:55:00 - [2] - Quote It's sad when a 20% hp nerf for brand new suits is on the table not two hours after release. I am thoroughly convinced that there is no internal testing. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2089	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:56:00 - [3] - Quote Don't play on patch day if you're afraid of bugs. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1152	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:59:00 - [4] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Don't play on patch day if you're afraid of bugs. I know CCP are notorious for bugs and problems, I expect that. The problem is they are rubbing literally half finished stuff in our face and laughing at us! My problem is hit detection is worse than before, my problem is they didnt even remotely test this. My problem is that forge guns have issues where there were none before. My problem is still there is no balance. My problem is this game. I'm not one of these to say "Warrghhhh I quit" but to be honest I think I might just do that. Feel free to claim what ever I have. Investigate 9/11
Richie Rich VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 5	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:59:00 - [5] - Quote saw the list and began to wonder what they were really doing for the last 3 months..?...(cough-Valkyrie-cough-fart-cough)... yet another Alt of Cpl Foster, USMC
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2415	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:02:00 - [6] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: [quote=Aikuchi Tomaru]My problem is this game. I'm not one of these to say "Warrghhhh I quit" but to be honest I think I might just do that. Feel free to claim what ever I have. . Would you be willing to donate you ISK to my alt DJINN B4lock, the fund for the Dust Challenge Lottery? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=132736&find=unread Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Moorian Flav 157	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:03:00 - [7] - Quote Quote: what they were really doing for the last 3 months..? Duh. Haven't you heard? They've been on extended vacation... since Winter Holiday. I don't troll; I tell the truth.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2090	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Don't play on patch day if you're afraid of bugs. I know CCP are notorious for bugs and problems, I expect that. The problem is they are rubbing literally half finished stuff in our face and laughing at us! My problem is hit detection is worse than before, my problem is they didnt even remotely test this. My problem is that forge guns have issues where there were none before. My problem is still there is no balance. My problem is this game. I'm not one of these to say "Warrghhhh I quit" but to be honest I think I might just do that. Feel free to claim what ever I have. I'm pretty sure they aren't laughing, because bugfixing means work for them. Everybody wants patch day to go by smoothly. And CCP probably did test this: On their dev server. But I'm pretty sure releasing the update is a bit more complicated than just Copy & Pasting it onto the public server. And honestly: If you're looking for balance you're playing the wrong game. Dust will change. It always will. There will always be more items added. Old items nerfed or buffed. Dust is too big to be ever completely balanced. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Leonid Tybalt Heaven's-Gate 341	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:03:00 - [9] - Quote This also makes me wonder what kind of an ahat programmed Dust 514 in the first place. It doesn't seem to be a matter of testing, but more like a really flawed design in the structure of the coding. It seems that it's not just a matter of the developers to open up a file and re-write some numbers (the way you can with a clear and structured sourcecode) but something needlesly complicated, otherwise glaring issues such as these wouldn't occur after every update. That added and completely new content suffer from bugs is understandable. But that current content gets completely **** up and bugs that went away before comes back, can only be ascribed to a badly written sourcecode that isn't as clear and userfriendly as it should be.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 370	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:04:00 - [10] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Don't play on patch day if you're afraid of bugs. I know CCP are notorious for bugs and problems, I expect that. The problem is they are rubbing literally half finished stuff in our face and laughing at us! My problem is hit detection is worse than before, my problem is they didnt even remotely test this. My problem is that forge guns have issues where there were none before. My problem is still there is no balance. My problem is this game. I'm not one of these to say "Warrghhhh I quit" but to be honest I think I might just do that. Feel free to claim what ever I have. Every company and every game has bumpy patch days. If this was vanilla wow you'd spend 6 hours downloading the patch, 4 hours in server queue and upon actually getting in you'd be booted due to lag and the servers would remain in that unplayable state for 3-7 days. In fact recent wow patches have been pretty similar. Ccp patch days aren't that bad. Give it a day or two

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6134	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:05:00 - [11] - Quote When you become a Computer Scientist, then please feel free to moan and b!tch about how the DEVs made mistakes. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1153	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:09:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: When you become a Computer Scientist, then please feel free to moan and b!tch about how the DEVs made mistakes. Or I will just play other games that dont suffer from this level of failure? (I just want Dust to work, I would love to have back chromosome where this game was the best) Investigate 9/11
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2093	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:13:00 - [13] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Atiim wrote: When you become a Computer Scientist, then please feel free to moan and b!tch about how the DEVs made mistakes. Or I will just play other games that dont suffer from this level of failure? (I just want Dust to work, I would love to have back chromosome where this game was the best) Well. Tell me a game which doesn't suffer from stuff like this then. It's patch day. And honestly: Even though 1.8 really isn't the best patch day, we already had one that broke matchmaking completely. Nobody could play at all. I rather have a list of 50 small bugs which aren't gamebreaking than one big problem that doesn't allow anyone to play. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 902	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:18:00 - [14] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Atiim wrote: When you become a Computer Scientist, then please feel free to moan and b!tch about how the DEVs made mistakes. Or I will just play other games that dont suffer from this level of failure? (I just want Dust to work, I would love to have back chromosome where this game was the best) Well. Tell me a game which doesn't suffer from stuff like this then. It's patch day. And honestly: Even though 1.8 really isn't the best patch day, we already had one that broke matchmaking completely. Nobody could play at all. I rather have a list of 50 small bugs which aren't gamebreaking than one big problem that doesn't allow anyone to play. umm err this patch took what 4 months !? CCP is pathetic..
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2096	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:19:00 - [15] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Atiim wrote: When you become a Computer Scientist, then please feel free to moan and b!tch about how the DEVs made mistakes. Or I will just play other games that dont suffer from this level of failure? (I just want Dust to work, I would love to have back chromosome where this game was the best) Well. Tell me a game which doesn't suffer from stuff like this then. It's patch day. And honestly: Even though 1.8 really isn't the best patch day, we already had one that broke matchmaking completely. Nobody could play at all. I rather have a list of 50 small bugs which aren't gamebreaking than one big problem that doesn't allow anyone to play. umm err this patch took what 4 months !? CCP is pathetic.. Ok. You code the next patch then. Show us how it's done master! Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1604	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:21:00 - [16] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Don't play on patch day if you're afraid of bugs. I know CCP are notorious for bugs and problems, I expect that. The problem is they are rubbing literally half finished stuff in our face and laughing at us! My problem is hit detection is worse than before, my problem is they didnt even remotely test this. My problem is that forge guns have issues where there were none before. My problem is still there is no balance. My problem is this game. I'm not one of these to say "Warrghhhh I quit" but to be honest I think I might just do that. Feel free to claim what ever I have. I claim your isk Who wants some?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12505	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:21:00 - [17] - Quote nvm, don't even care Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Richie Rich VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 7	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:31:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: When you become a Computer Scientist, then please feel free to moan and b!tch about how the DEVs made mistakes. this only works if they have 1 guy doing ALL the programming....a TEAM of people should not have this many BASIC mess ups... yet another Alt of Cpl Foster, USMC
Whisperen Sub Napalm Bukkake 2	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:32:00 - [19] - Quote Somethings very wrong with rail rifles vs armor on min commandos and min heavy's they slowly damage shield and almost insta kill the armor.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 822	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:36:00 - [20] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Don't play on patch day if you're afraid of bugs.working in a SQ d Really: Some patch days are worse, others go by fine. I think the biggest problem CCP has is that there is no testserver. So they have their own dev server to test stuff. But so much can go wrong when releasing that into the wild. So I think this one is on Sony. Here I have to disagree, working in the QA section by myself this is just lack of QA. Sadly QA is the first thing that gets stripped when times is running out before a release, its either that or the QA on CCPs side (if there is any) does not know what they are doing. Remember we are out of beta and this state of quality is hardly acceptable. Yes bugs occour and not hunting bugs is sometimes really tricky but reading through the known issues most of them are quit obvious and this is a strong indicator for missing QA efforts...

Skihids Bullet Cluster 3124	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:55:00 - [21] - Quote As a multi-decade IT guy I'm wondering about the base structure of the code. Some posts refer to hard coded values not in the database. That means code hacks to recognize and process the non-standard variables. Any time you add custom patches you introduce more points of failure and make the code more difficult to understand and modify. Long term projects tend to accrete these sort of hacks over time and eventually become unmaintainable. One simple change affects some custom patch and breaks something completely unrelated. Simple changes need to change hard coded values on top of changing the data record. Eventually the last guy who understood the spaghetti code leaves and the new guys are afraid to change anything because they don't know what it will do. Either the application gets a permanent code freeze or is completely rewritten to get a clean code base. The number of issues in 1.8 suggests CCP is experiencing this issue after a couple years of continuous development.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3726	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:57:00 - [22] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Don't play on patch day if you're afraid of bugs. I know CCP are notorious for bugs and problems, I expect that. The problem is they are rubbing literally half finished stuff in our face and laughing at us! My problem is hit detection is worse than before, my problem is they didnt even remotely test this. My problem is that forge guns have issues where there were none before. My problem is still there is no balance. My problem is this game. I'm not one of these to say "Warrghhhh I quit" but to be honest I think I might just do that. Feel free to claim what ever I have. Hit detection isn't worse. I'm convinced that they have nerfed AA again by a little bit. WHICH IS GOOD Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 87	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:09:00 - [23] - Quote Skihids wrote: As a multi-decade IT guy I'm wondering about the base structure of the code. Some posts refer to hard coded values not in the database. That means code hacks to recognize and process the non-standard variables. Any time you add custom patches you introduce more points of failure and make the code more difficult to understand and modify. Long term projects tend to accrete these sort of hacks over time and eventually become unmaintainable. One simple change affects some custom patch and breaks something completely unrelated. Simple changes need to change hard coded values on top of changing the data record. Eventually the last guy who understood the spaghetti code leaves and the new guys are afraid to change anything because they don't know what it will do. Either the application gets a permanent code freeze or is completely rewritten to get a clean code base. The number of issues in 1.8 suggests CCP is experiencing this issue after a couple years of continuous development. I believe Decent Programmers know this adage: GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) CCP programmers; Are you familiar with it?
Skihids Bullet Cluster 3125	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:17:00 - [24] - Quote Dheez wrote: Skihids wrote: As a multi-decade IT guy I'm wondering about the base structure of the code. Some posts refer to hard coded values not in the database. That means code hacks to recognize and process the non-standard variables. Any time you add custom patches you introduce more points of failure and make the code more difficult to understand and modify. Long term projects tend to accrete these sort of hacks over time and eventually become unmaintainable. One simple change affects some custom patch and breaks something completely unrelated. Simple changes need to change hard coded values on top of changing the data record. Eventually the last guy who understood the spaghetti code leaves and the new guys are afraid to change anything because they don't know what it will do. Either the application gets a permanent code freeze or is completely rewritten to get a clean code base. The number of issues in 1.8 suggests CCP is experiencing this issue after a couple years of continuous development. I believe Decent Programmers know this adage: GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) CCP programmers; Are you familiar with it? That refers to program input, not really to degradation of the code base over time.
Leonid Tybalt Heaven's-Gate 344	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:17:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: When you become a Computer Scientist, then please feel free to moan and b!tch about how the DEVs made mistakes. Don't know if my post revealed it, but I have studied computer science...


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