DUST Search - How The **** Is This Still a Thing?

MarasdF Loron wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

MarasdF Loron wrote:

Well that fit cannot survive Forges, Rails, Missiles, Proxies or Remotes. Has low HP, fast recharge. Also lolswarms.

It can survive Small Rails, Small Blasters, Small Missiles, Large Blasters and lolswarms.

Has 5 weaknesses, 5 strengths, seems like it's the most balanced thing in the game right now.

It will only succumb to multiple forges hitting the weakspot at the same time, other wise it heals all damage in between shots. Large railguns work. Large missiles can work depending on if you get the drop. If they're moving they can easily heal enough to keep rolling if one or two shots miss. Proxies and Remotes are equally effective against anything that isn't running 2 or more hardeners at once for the most part, since you won't be placing that many remotes on an even halfway competent tanker.

The rest are all essentially useless against this fit.

The main issue is that it takes no effort or thought on the part of the operator. We need activated armor reps back.

I've actually tested to see if a single Ishukone Assault Forge Gunner can take my triple repped Maddy down, and guess what? Yes it can. And I kill triple repped Maddies with 5-6 shots with my Missile Gunnlogi, so it seems like I can miss 50% and still kill the Maddy... Proxies and Remotes are equally effective against anything that isn't double or triple hardened, yes, but so are lolswarms, Forges, Large and Small Rails, so what's your point?

I admit for the most part it takes no effort but it takes thought to know what you can do battle with and what you cannot. Because whatever kills you, most likely kills you almost instantly.

EDIT: Fixed spelling... lol


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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12491	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:17:00 - [1] - Quote Triple Armor rep Madrugars with a NOS. Out reps everything but focused damage modded railguns, at absolutely no effort from the operator. I was just pelting one with my damage modded maxed out Incubus rail while he got pelted by two advanced swarms, he just rolled under something for a brief moment then popped out fully healed. This game is such a joke I swear. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12498	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:19:00 - [2] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Well, first mistake is assuming swarms are helping you vs a tank in any way shape or form. I watched his HP dip to next to nothing, before I could even reload he was healed up. Passive reps were the dumbest idea, hands down. It does nothing but reward bad players. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12498	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:22:00 - [3] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: I hate tanks and go out of my way to break them, even with the BS that is AV. I don't see the point in using my forge gun anymore. A single high slot for an overpriced advanced damage mod, all I am is cloaked scout fodder. I'm still curious why AV should need highly coordinated teamwork to take down a solo player who's fit isn't much more expensive than any single AVs fit. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12498	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:23:00 - [4] - Quote IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Well, first mistake is assuming swarms are helping you vs a tank in any way shape or form. I watched his HP dip to next to nothing, before I could even reload he was healed up. Passive reps were the dumbest idea, hands down. It does nothing but reward bad players. So he managed to get away from two swarms and a incubus and he's the bad player? He rolled under something for a brief moment, then was fully healed. There was no thinking, no good usage of modules, no timing his window of opportunity. His window of opportunity is there is no damage stacked rails. Why does AV exist in this game when SP free MLT rails do it better than maxed out AV? This game, is, a joke. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12498	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:28:00 - [5] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Three players who couldn't figure out a militia rail tank would have killed him in all of 5 seconds? You guys are the problem. The fact that you can say that as if it's somehow ok is nothing short of infuriating. CCP should just remove AV from the game since clearly tanking is the only AV that matters. I mean hell, you get it for no SP and essentially free in the ISK department. Why does infantry AV exist again? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12499	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:33:00 - [6] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Well that fit cannot survive Forges, Rails, Missiles, Proxies or Remotes. Has low HP, fast recharge. Also lolswarms. It can survive Small Rails, Small Blasters, Small Missiles, Large Blasters and lolswarms. Has 5 weaknesses, 5 strengths, seems like it's the most balanced thing in the game right now. It will only succumb to multiple forges hitting the weakspot at the same time, other wise it heals all damage in between shots. Large railguns work. Large missiles can work depending on if you get the drop. If they're moving they can easily heal enough to keep rolling if one or two shots miss. Proxies and Remotes are equally effective against anything that isn't running 2 or more hardeners at once for the most part, since you won't be placing that many remotes on an even halfway competent tanker. The rest are all essentially useless against this fit. The main issue is that it takes no effort or thought on the part of the operator. We need activated armor reps back. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So you were shooting him then he went out of out of sight from the swarms and away from you by being under somthing and that is broken? In the time it takes to reload, they're fully healed. I'm sorry that fully passive fits seem like an even remotely skilled option to you, I'm sorry for your loss. Just waiting on Spkr to make the rest of this thread now. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12500	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:47:00 - [7] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Well that fit cannot survive Forges, Rails, Missiles, Proxies or Remotes. Has low HP, fast recharge. Also lolswarms. It can survive Small Rails, Small Blasters, Small Missiles, Large Blasters and lolswarms. Has 5 weaknesses, 5 strengths, seems like it's the most balanced thing in the game right now. It will only succumb to multiple forges hitting the weakspot at the same time, other wise it heals all damage in between shots. Large railguns work. Large missiles can work depending on if you get the drop. If they're moving they can easily heal enough to keep rolling if one or two shots miss. Proxies and Remotes are equally effective against anything that isn't running 2 or more hardeners at once for the most part, since you won't be placing that many remotes on an even halfway competent tanker. The rest are all essentially useless against this fit. The main issue is that it takes no effort or thought on the part of the operator. We need activated armor reps back. I've actually tested to see if a single Ishukone Assault Forge Gunner can take my triple repped Maddy down, and guess what? Yes it can. And I kill triple repped Maddies with 5-6 shots with my Missile Gunnlogi, so it seems like I can miss 50% and still kill the Maddy... Proxies and Remotes are equally effective against anything that isn't double or triple hardened, yes, but so are lolswarms, Forges, Large and Small Rails, so what's your point? I admit for the most part it takes no effort but it takes thought to know what you can do battle with and what you cannot. Because whatever kills you, most likely kills you almost instantly. EDIT: Fixed spelling... lol I want to watch the Forge gun one. What is the absolute max they can deal to the weak spot? They have to have maxed out skills and be hitting that weak spot, otherwise you heal just shy of 1,500 hp in between each of their shots. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12500	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:48:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: LOL Triple rep hahahaa Try dual hardeners. At least those rely on a cooldown. The redline of course, yet again, makes that fit better than it should be, as the redline has NO place existing in this game. We all knew that stacking hardeners would be a problem...well, everyone except CCP apparently. Same goes for damage mods. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12502	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:51:00 - [9] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Fiend, you have maxed out Forges, right? And Heavy suit? Whenever I get my PS3's HDMI port fixed I will let you kill my triple repped Maddy for free of charge using your IAFG. :) I hope it still works with the nerf to damage mods tho. I actually don't have them maxed, proficiency 3 right now. I would but I am just significantly too burnt out of this game. Just venting here while I find something else to play till fanfest lol, I'll be out of your guys' hair soon enough Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12502	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:54:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Though there are some incredibly good ADS pilots out there. You're just not one of them. Your posts give me cancer. I'll send you the bill soon Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12502	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:56:00 - [11] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Fiend, you have maxed out Forges, right? And Heavy suit? Whenever I get my PS3's HDMI port fixed I will let you kill my triple repped Maddy for free of charge using your IAFG. :) I hope it still works with the nerf to damage mods tho. I actually don't have them maxed, proficiency 3 right now. I would but I am just significantly too burnt out of this game. Just venting here while I find something else to play till fanfest lol, I'll be out of your guys' hair soon enough Well, no free isk for you then I guess. :P There's no custom games to even test that out in Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12502	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:58:00 - [12] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Fiend, you have maxed out Forges, right? And Heavy suit? Whenever I get my PS3's HDMI port fixed I will let you kill my triple repped Maddy for free of charge using your IAFG. :) I hope it still works with the nerf to damage mods tho. I actually don't have them maxed, proficiency 3 right now. I would but I am just significantly too burnt out of this game. Just venting here while I find something else to play till fanfest lol, I'll be out of your guys' hair soon enough Well, no free isk for you then I guess. :P There's no custom games to even test that out in You can pretty easily get in the same match in FW, and with some luck (with 2 squads) into the same match on the opposite sides in pubs... Oh yea FW haha, true enough. I barely ever play since I can buy exactly 0 things for my Incubus through Minmatar or Gallente FW Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12502	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:02:00 - [13] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Oh yea FW haha, true enough. I barely ever play since I can buy exactly 0 things for my Incubus through Minmatar or Gallente FW True dat, and I just realized that there is no ISK payment in FW so I didn't even think before I posted. Haha. If I decide to play more than a couple matches throughout the month I'll look you up and see if we can't get some testing in, I'm honestly curious I just do not have the willpower to turn my ps3 on atm. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12502	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:03:00 - [14] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So you were shooting him then he went out of out of sight from the swarms and away from you by being under somthing and that is broken? Because intelligence is OP. Clearly it isn't since solo tanks are at the top of the totem pole Oh wait, I forgot, you're here on damage control. PROTECT THE CRUTCH!!! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12502	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:06:00 - [15] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: PS. I'm still loving that hatemail I got from you in 1.3 or 1.2 I think when I was sorta hiding in the redline in my Blaster Maddy (cause our team was losing really, really badly) and had my friend beside me rep me constantly in LLAV and you kept on coming with your LAV and trying to Forge Gun me to death, almost had me a couple of times too. I don't remember that lol, but sounds about right. I rarely send mail to people first haha, I must have been in a particular mood that day lol. I miss logi vehicles, back when being a pilot meant teamwork and being skilled. Now it's just a joke. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12505	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:12:00 - [16] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: PS. I'm still loving that hatemail I got from you in 1.3 or 1.2 I think when I was sorta hiding in the redline in my Blaster Maddy (cause our team was losing really, really badly) and had my friend beside me rep me constantly in LLAV and you kept on coming with your LAV and trying to Forge Gun me to death, almost had me a couple of times too. I don't remember that lol, but sounds about right. I rarely send mail to people first haha, I must have been in a particular mood that day lol. I miss logi vehicles, back when being a pilot meant teamwork and being skilled. Now it's just a joke. I will always remember that because I was truely afraid of losing my tank in that match, and let's face it, tanks were not cheap back then and man it was fun being able to use teamwork, now tanks are so ******* dull. That was probably shortly after I got out of my Prometheus. I lost almost 100 million ISK trying everything under the sun to make that ship not a 1.4 million ISK coffin. Sadly, I did not find the magic fit. Apparently neither did CCP, since they just opted to remove it from the game >_< I'm glad I gave you something to remember haha, even if it was at my expense Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12509	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:17:00 - [17] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So you were shooting him then he went out of out of sight from the swarms and away from you by being under somthing and that is broken? Because intelligence is OP. Clearly it isn't since solo tanks are at the top of the totem pole Oh wait, I forgot, you're here on damage control. PROTECT THE CRUTCH!!! You still havnt countered what i said I assume its correct The HAV moved out of LOS from the 2 swarms guys so no more damage and hid under something so you cant shoot it and according to you that is broken So should we remove all cover now so you can always see it and shoot it? You clearly miss the part where he heals up entirely in seconds flat, so all he has to do is move and he's fine. No activating modules, no watching his window of opportunity, nothing that could even remotely be misconstrued as skill on his part. Get rid of passive armor reps, bring back activated armor reps. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12515	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:36:00 - [18] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So they fit up a tank with a very high rep rate Has no resistances and doesnt not rep when taking damage only inbetween Ive tried out the tank it aint that great, any consistant damage can stall the rep rate so speed is key for survival and to kill it but also anything that hits does full damage all of the time The tank itself is weak but very good for the hit an run but against serious AV it can be popped quite easily Armor reps do not stop healing when taking damage. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12516	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:48:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So they fit up a tank with a very high rep rate Has no resistances and doesnt not rep when taking damage only inbetween Ive tried out the tank it aint that great, any consistant damage can stall the rep rate so speed is key for survival and to kill it but also anything that hits does full damage all of the time The tank itself is weak but very good for the hit an run but against serious AV it can be popped quite easily Armor reps do not stop healing when taking damage. They do stall Ive seen it happen to me, after the damage is done it reps back but generally if you do more damage than it can rep back then it will get popped This fit isnt used often, i rarely come across it and if i do its easier to pop because of no hardener Hmm, maybe it's a bug than cuz my Madrugrar always heals even when getting hit by blasters. I just want activated armor repairs back. This passive crap is dumb. Granted the numbers would have to be worked out, but constant, non penalized healing is a joke no matter the fit. If nothing else they should introduce hefty stacking penalties to vehicle modules. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12535	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:55:00 - [20] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I wont argue that 3 heavy reppers on a tank is not broken. Its really quite frustrating to deal with as a gunnlogi user myself. However, posting on the forums how infuriating it is that you couldn't kill him from your impossible to target dropship is not going to garner a lot of sympathy. Until dropships have more counters than just double amp'd redline rails, I honestly don't even think you deserve to kill shield tanks. imho, small turrets from dropships should receive an 80% reduction when firing on HAVs until such a time as they have a real counter. (yes i'm a little bitter from losing tanks against dropships I can do literally nothing about in my tank) The main difference being that I've never seen a tank die to MCCs, MCC missiles, null cannons, AV knockback, engine failures, other tanks (dropships, in our case), or cloaked RDVs. Yes AV is entirely too weak right now, and yes I think HAVs need an anti air turret. I for one have proposed letting rails look up more because we NEED to replace the redline with a mechanic that not only actually works (provides a safe place to spawn and regroup, which most redlines do not do, primarily thanks to rails), but one that doesn't actively stifle balance by ensuring that we will NEVER have larger maps, since if you balance around the redline, the further you push it back with large maps, the further balance is stretched. Also, I'm in an Incubus, you know, the one that ALL AV does bonus damage to >_< Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot