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Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5318	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:40:00 - [1] - Quote Fair warning to any pistol slingers. Wasn't announced in the patch notes. 1.7 RoF: 400 1.8 RoF: 285.71 Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 24	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:58:00 - [2] - Quote This is very crippling. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2065	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:59:00 - [3] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: This is very crippling. Welcome to flaylocktopia.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1613	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:59:00 - [4] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: This is very crippling. Not really. It still fires faster than the breach and has 8 rounds per mag just stock. the wolfman has 12 stock. Who wants some?
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 24	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:09:00 - [5] - Quote I'm still unhappy. It's the only weapon I got to prototype level. It's literally the only weapon I really liked, so now I don't really like any weapons. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
marksmn Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:17:00 - [6] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: I'm still unhappy. It's the only weapon I got to prototype level. It's literally the only weapon I really liked, so now I don't really like any weapons. Same here
Tectonic Fusion 1307	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:20:00 - [7] - Quote OMFG! CCP DON'T NERF NON-OP WEAPONS!!! ALSO BUFF THE FLAYLOCK!!! Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5325	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:27:00 - [8] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: OMFG! CCP DON'T NERF NON-OP WEAPONS!!! ALSO BUFF THE FLAYLOCK!!! Lol, well it was that or lie about the Ion Pistol having a higher RoF in the dev blog. So, instead of buffing the Ion Pistol's RoF they nerfed the Scrambler Pistol. Ion Pistol is still unusable though. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 27	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:29:00 - [9] - Quote I admit that the pistol seems worse if you're used to the faster rate of fire and pull the trigger too quickly, but this much of a decrease is still pretty awful, and I dislike it, and I can't afford to spend points on anything else. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 304	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:33:00 - [10] - Quote Man, this is some BS.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4776	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:39:00 - [11] - Quote I **ing said they would pull this **. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
Happy Jack SD Ahrendee Mercenaries 81	Posted - 2014.03.25 21:12:00 - [12] - Quote These are the numbers CCP didn't think we needed to know... because reasons. "-ñ-ì-æGùï-Ç" wrote: Stealth nerf. Militia Scrambler Pistol & Scrambler Pistol 400 ---> 285.71 RPM (533.33 ---> 380.95 DPS, 29% nerf) Assault Scrambler Pistol 422.54 ---> 301.51 RPM (563.39 ---> 402.01 DPS, 29% nerf) Breach Scrambler Pistol 133.33 ---> 133.33 RPM (DPS unchanged) KLO-1 Scrambler Pistol 444.44 ---> 285.71 RPM (622.22 ---> 400 DPS, 36% nerf) TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol 468.75 ---> 301.51 RPM (656.25 ---> 422.11 DPS, 36% nerf) TY-5 Breach Scrambler Pistol 133.33 ---> 133.33 RPM (DPS unchanged) CAR-9 Burst ScP 740.74 ---> 476.19 RPM (622.22 ---> 400 DPS, 36% nerf) Viziam Scrambler Pistol 500 ---> 285.71 RPM (733.33 ---> 419.04 DPS, 43% nerf) Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol 526.32 ---> 301.51 RPM (771.94 ---> 442.21 DPS, 43% nerf) Good job CCP :D Nerf Rifle DPS by around 10% - write a devblog about it Nerf proto Scr Pistol DPS by 43% - who cares, right? "Have faith lest your unbelief consume you." -The Bleeding Chalice
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 27	Posted - 2014.03.25 21:34:00 - [13] - Quote This is the worst thing that I have ever experienced in Dust514. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 29	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:36:00 - [14] - Quote I am a fool. If I had realized that the Scrambler Pistol was this much worse, I may not have gotten the Amarr Logistics Suit again. I am ruined, and I should probably kill myself to escape the shame. Why wasn't this mentioned in the update notes? If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Richie Rich VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 7	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:49:00 - [15] - Quote first time I used it today, it got me killed..... yet another Alt of Cpl Foster, USMC
AP Grasshopper Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 230	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:55:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Fair warning to any pistol slingers. Wasn't announced in the patch notes. 1.7 RoF: 400 1.8 RoF: 285.71 Still the highest dps out of all pistols/smgs
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 33	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:03:00 - [17] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Fair warning to any pistol slingers. Wasn't announced in the patch notes. 1.7 RoF: 400 1.8 RoF: 285.71 Still the highest dps out of all pistols/smgs I wouldn't mind all sidearms becoming more powerful. I wouldn't mind that at all. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Happy Jack SD Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 93	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:47:00 - [18] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Fair warning to any pistol slingers. Wasn't announced in the patch notes. 1.7 RoF: 400 1.8 RoF: 285.71 Still the highest dps out of all pistols/smgs It'd be nice if CCP woulda made mention of this, since they gave us 2 weeks advanced notice for every other weapon change... "Have faith lest your unbelief consume you." -The Bleeding Chalice
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 34	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:53:00 - [19] - Quote I am never going to get over this -ever. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1962	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:57:00 - [20] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: OMFG! CCP DON'T NERF NON-OP WEAPONS!!! ALSO BUFF THE FLAYLOCK!!! Lol, well it was that or lie about the Ion Pistol having a higher RoF in the dev blog. So, instead of buffing the Ion Pistol's RoF they nerfed the Scrambler Pistol. Ion Pistol is still unusable though. Well, I wouldn't say unusable, but IT IS pretty bad.

Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 323	Posted - 2014.03.26 04:00:00 - [21] - Quote I've still done okay with it but only on city related maps. I know I have to change my sensitivity once again. :\|
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3637	Posted - 2014.03.26 04:03:00 - [22] - Quote You are sooo late to the party It's actually less worse than I imagined thank god
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 34	Posted - 2014.03.26 04:09:00 - [23] - Quote Words cannot express how upset I am. It's not just the nerf, though. It's that It was not mentioned, and that I'm sure that it will never be decent again. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2014.03.26 04:22:00 - [24] - Quote How to Ruin a Balanced Weapon: Altering it in any way, shape or form.
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 34	Posted - 2014.03.26 04:24:00 - [25] - Quote I feel like it was ruined so that it would be closer to the new side arms, which have to be weak for no reason. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 40	Posted - 2014.03.26 07:58:00 - [26] - Quote This change is the only thing in the patch that I care about. I don't care about any new suits. I don't care about cloaks. I don't care about different bonuses. This one change has ruined the game for me. I spent today looking through all of the other weapons, and I could not find any that I like. Any range and ammo and clip size increases do nothing to mitigate this travesty. I was not expecting to dislike this patch. I had read blogs, and seen all the changes for dropsuits, and rifles, but I had never heard anything about changes to the fire rate of the scrambler pistols. I did not expect for this patch to make me want to quit, but It's not just a nerf, it completely changes the way that this weapon functions. I do not believe that it was overpowered. It's probably not useless now to some people, but it is keeping me from enjoying this game now. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1887	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:07:00 - [27] - Quote Well, its obvious that the ion pistol should have higher RoF and higher DPS than the scrambler pistol. Ion pistol only has 20m range. Drop it like its hat.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1653	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:12:00 - [28] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: This change is the only thing in the patch that I care about. I don't care about any new suits. I don't care about cloaks. I don't care about different bonuses. This one change has ruined the game for me. I spent today looking through all of the other weapons, and I could not find any that I like. Any range and ammo and clip size increases do nothing to mitigate this travesty. I was not expecting to dislike this patch. I had read blogs, and seen all the changes for dropsuits, and rifles, but I had never heard anything about changes to the fire rate of the scrambler pistols. I did not expect for this patch to make me want to quit, but It's not just a nerf, it completely changes the way that this weapon functions. I do not believe that it was overpowered. It's probably not useless now to some people, but it is keeping me from enjoying this game now. it is still mean. Try assault variants. The burst feels like the old RoF but has way more bullets. Who wants some?
Rusty Shallows 1262	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:18:00 - [29] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: OMFG! CCP DON'T NERF NON-OP WEAPONS!!! ALSO BUFF THE FLAYLOCK!!! Lol, well it was that or lie about the Ion Pistol having a higher RoF in the dev blog. So, instead of buffing the Ion Pistol's RoF they nerfed the Scrambler Pistol. Ion Pistol is still unusable though. If they can't make everyone unhappy then what's the point? Dammit now I'm starting to think like them. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. BwaHahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 43	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:24:00 - [30] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: This change is the only thing in the patch that I care about. I don't care about any new suits. I don't care about cloaks. I don't care about different bonuses. This one change has ruined the game for me. I spent today looking through all of the other weapons, and I could not find any that I like. Any range and ammo and clip size increases do nothing to mitigate this travesty. I was not expecting to dislike this patch. I had read blogs, and seen all the changes for dropsuits, and rifles, but I had never heard anything about changes to the fire rate of the scrambler pistols. I did not expect for this patch to make me want to quit, but It's not just a nerf, it completely changes the way that this weapon functions. I do not believe that it was overpowered. It's probably not useless now to some people, but it is keeping me from enjoying this game now. it is still mean. Try assault variants. The burst feels like the old RoF but has way more bullets. I was already using the Carthum Assault variant. The fire rate is still much too low. The burst is alright, but not good enough for me to want to use it all the time like I did previously. The bullets are all over the place, and it still isn't as fast as it should be. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2378	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:30:00 - [31] - Quote What pisses me off is that they knew that it was a bad idea, but they still went through with it. How do I know that they knew, you ask? Because they hid it from us. The tucked it away in the SDE, and didn't speak a word of it. They never provided a reason for the nerf either. They his it from us, hoping we would never notice, trying to cut back or delay and community backlash. They knew it was a bad idea, yet they did it anyway... ...nobody ever even asked for a ScP nerf. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2089	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:27:00 - [32] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: I feel like it was ruined so that it would be closer to the new side arms, which have to be weak for no reason. They have to be weak because "the community" decided a while ago that sidearms should be useless. Thus, they are. I was pretty disappointed when the flaylock was nerfed in to uselessness, but I am a little surprised that the flaylock's level of performance is the new norm. CCP, please buff both of these weapons to make sidearms usable.
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 258	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:30:00 - [33] - Quote It's true, but the clip size is now bigger at least. I used to have 11 in a clip. Now 13.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 920	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:31:00 - [34] - Quote I've never been a user of the ScP.... Yesterday, in experimenting with all the sidearms, I had no issue getting kills with it. It's still the strongest sidearm if you aim for the head and have the skill to not miss (although the Magsec is probably the easiest to use). Perhaps if you previously spammed the ScP trigger hoping to get a hit, I could see how this might not be a welcome change. But it's a sidearm, and sidearms (particularly ones with 450% headshot bonus) shouldn't be primary weapons. They should be finishing weapons, and they finish just fine -- even after the ROF nerf. IMO, of course....Lead
Tectonic Fusion 1320	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:52:00 - [35] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I've never been a user of the ScP.... Yesterday, in experimenting with all the sidearms, I had no issue getting kills with it. It's still the strongest sidearm if you aim for the head and have the skill to not miss (although the Magsec is probably the easiest to use). Perhaps if you previously spammed the ScP trigger hoping to get a hit, I could see how this might not be a welcome change. But it's a sidearm, and sidearms (particularly ones with 450% headshot bonus) shouldn't be primary weapons. They should be finishing weapons, and they finish just fine -- even after the ROF nerf. IMO, of course....Lead Yes...because a weapon with 20% less damage to shields is a good sidearm... It was only ever a good sidearm because you could use it to flank with head shots and fire quickly. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 194	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:57:00 - [36] - Quote I don't get how this was a stealth nerf. It was in the patch notes and all the dev posts involving weapon adjustments. I was expecting it and while I'm not blasting away like I used to, it's helped me curtail emptying entire clips into people. It's still a fun weapon right there next to laser rifles.
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 54	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:51:00 - [37] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I've never been a user of the ScP.... Yesterday, in experimenting with all the sidearms, I had no issue getting kills with it. It's still the strongest sidearm if you aim for the head and have the skill to not miss (although the Magsec is probably the easiest to use). Perhaps if you previously spammed the ScP trigger hoping to get a hit, I could see how this might not be a welcome change. But it's a sidearm, and sidearms (particularly ones with 450% headshot bonus) shouldn't be primary weapons. They should be finishing weapons, and they finish just fine -- even after the ROF nerf. IMO, of course....Lead It was MY primary weapon. My secondary was the laser rifle, for people outside the scrambler pistol's Range. I can shoot people with the scrambler pistol just fine, I'm not spamming it to get a single hit in, but now it fires too slowly to kill well at all. before the decreased rate of fire, it was not more lethal than rifles. Now it is unbearable. I don't know what you mean by finishing weapon. Any fire arm can get the last hit in. That means nothing. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 327	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:14:00 - [38] - Quote I think we all just have to get used to the new rhythm of the fire rate.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4783	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:04:00 - [39] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: I think we all just have to get used to the new rhythm of the fire rate. No. Wait, I didn't mean that; I meant Hell no! CCP needs to fix this! Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
Skullmiser Vulcansu the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 68	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:47:00 - [40] - Quote I hate having an Amarr Logistics suit because of this change. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 422	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:49:00 - [41] - Quote I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's still going to be useful as a shield-based weapon. Especially for heavies. In my opinion it's the best option for a Sentinel (except maybe Minmatar in which case I'd chose Ion Pistol). Having used the AR which is the most underpowered rifle for 6 months now, I can tell you that a 40% RoF nerf isn't going to render the ScP useless. You're still going to perform well with it. That's why I chose it for my sentinel ak.0 not only that but its range is better than the IoP. You people who have an ego trip from proto stomping have a harsh reality waiting in life after you turn off the PS3.
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 334	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:50:00 - [42] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Aria Gomes wrote: I think we all just have to get used to the new rhythm of the fire rate. No. Wait, I didn't mean that; I meant Hell no! CCP needs to fix this! haha I hate it but I figure if I keep using the damn thing maybe I'll get used to it.


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