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Skihids wrote:

NextDark Knight wrote:

Sorry, Most of the people that upload videos to youtube about ADS aren't that great at flying them. Just cause they are popular doesn't mean they are correct. The rail nerf was unneeded, collecting points from Redline needs to be addressed. It was proposed and instantly shot down by QQ followed by the Dev having to leave CCP.

The numbers speak for themselves. A large rail can pop the best fit ADS 1.5 seconds with its high alpha and high RoF.

I lost enough ships to learn they can completely shut down a map. With dual armor hardeners active I have just enough time to activate my afterburner to get away if I reacted immediately upon losing all my shields to the first strike. I could survive if I avoided hitting a building or MCC in my hasty flight and was lucky enough to not fly directly to or away from the rail so it would miss subsequent shots.

That's not the "wave of opportunity" CCP promised me when making hardeners an active module. I can't sit and tank a single shot. I have to fly like a bat out of hell the moment it shows its face.

Yes, by all means strip all active and passive SP for anyone behind the redline, but I have a strong suspicion that would not eliminate redline trolls from getting their jollies from costing me 500K ISK anyway.

With my hardeners at half value now I don't think it would be possible to escape even with fighter pilot reflexes.

The numbers:
MLT Rail - 1450 HP (2,320 w/2 MLT Damage mods), 0.35sec RoF delay.

Incubus - 950 Sh, 2362 Ar dual 25% hardeners active

Opening shot: 2320-950 (shields gone) = 1,370 applied to armor
43.75% resist for stacked modules
770 HP damage to armor leaving 1591 HP

Second shot 0.35 seconds later:
2,320 HP reduced by 43.75% = 1,312 leaves 279 HP armor

Third shot, just 0.7 seconds after notice of danger:
Dead

That's a zero SP, 70K ISK "risk" vs. a 15M SP, 500K ISK risk
That's you shooting me when you don't even render for me.
That's you hiding deep enough in the redline even after the nerf that I can't get to you.

Now for the old armor hardener numbers:
Opening shot: 3220 - 950 = 1,370 to armor
64% resist total
493.2 applied to armor leaving 1868.8

Second shot:
835.2 leaving 1,033.6

Third shot 835.2 leaving 198.4

Fourth shot:
Dead

The old numbers allowed me to tank one additional round which gave me another 0.35 seconds to react and flee.

That is a whole 1.05 seconds, now reduced to 0.7 seconds with me running both hardeners at the same time.

Do you still think that any ADS pilot that gets shot down is bad?


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iKillYaWith Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2014.03.28 15:02:00 - [1] - Quote DRaven DeMort wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: With the Uprising 1.8 Deployment, we are also looking at some additional hotfixes in the near future. ~~Further internal playtesting has shown that the heavy EHP is too high, and it might be lowered (likely by about 20%, but this is to be confirmed).~~ Delayed until we have more data Vehicle hardeners have been reduced in effectiveness (Armour 40% -> 25%, Shield 60% -> 40%) Large and small railgun range reduced Reduced max vehicles deployed per team in Ambush and Ambush OMS to two. This thread will be updated with more hotfixes as they are created. UPDATE: FIRST HOTFIX - MARCH 27TH * Changed Amarr CommandoGÇÖs armor to 480. * Changed Heavy frame dropsuitsGÇÖ shield recharge. * Changed Commando mk.0GÇÖs high slot count to 2. * Changed Minmatar scoutGÇÖs melee damage to 120. * Removed erroneous 1HP/s innate healing on Minmatar Assault. * Corrected skill cost multiplier of Amarr Light suit - from x4 to x8. Please note, the player SP will be deducted after this fix if the player updated the skill previously. * Reduced Large Railgun turret range from 600m to 300m, lowered max. vehicles in Ambush and Ambush OMS to 2 per team. * Changed vehicle Armor Hardener bonus from 40% to 25%. * Corrected skill requirement of 'Neo' Scout ck.0 and Scout ck.0. * Added skill requirement of AM/CA light dropsuits and increased Max PG/CPU of AM and CA suits at ADV and PRO tiers. * Changed the STD GA Commando low slots count to 2. * Changed ISK Heavy dropsuitsGÇÖ prices. * Fixed a bug which makes certain fittings not run out of stock in battle upon death. Additionally, the following changes were planned to go out during downtime on the 27th. However, during testing we found an issue with the changes that prevented them from working successfully. Rather than delay the other fixes we decided to follow up and fix these with a further update tomorrow (the 28th). * Vehicle Shield Hardener bonus reduced from 60% to 40%. * Small Railgun range has been reduced from 300m to 200m. seems like dropships got screwed again. Ya I was flying around in my Incubus and noticed swarms are still a joke. With the rail tanks having their range cut in half, they can now 1 or 2 shot me considering my armor hardener only deflects 25% of the damage... I run a lvl 5 command, adv rep and hardener, there needs to be a damage specific per vehicle for balance. I understand that a large rail should do some serious damage, but the rate of fire is way too fast, the damage is WAY too much against the dropship. Forge guns are pretty dang powerful as well, but the rate of fire is in line with the damage. It makes it very difficult when a 70k isk sica can 2 shot me, and they STILL sit in the red line covering objectives. Another thing that can help balance is have the damage fall off over distance, like every other weapon in the game, that way they will only do 10 hit points at the max range, and it should not hit you like a tidal wave at that range.
iKillYaWith Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote Skihids wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Sorry, Most of the people that upload videos to youtube about ADS aren't that great at flying them. Just cause they are popular doesn't mean they are correct. The rail nerf was unneeded, collecting points from Redline needs to be addressed. It was proposed and instantly shot down by QQ followed by the Dev having to leave CCP. The numbers speak for themselves. A large rail can pop the best fit ADS 1.5 seconds with its high alpha and high RoF. I lost enough ships to learn they can completely shut down a map. With dual armor hardeners active I have just enough time to activate my afterburner to get away if I reacted immediately upon losing all my shields to the first strike. I could survive if I avoided hitting a building or MCC in my hasty flight and was lucky enough to not fly directly to or away from the rail so it would miss subsequent shots. That's not the "wave of opportunity" CCP promised me when making hardeners an active module. I can't sit and tank a single shot. I have to fly like a bat out of hell the moment it shows its face. Yes, by all means strip all active and passive SP for anyone behind the redline, but I have a strong suspicion that would not eliminate redline trolls from getting their jollies from costing me 500K ISK anyway. With my hardeners at half value now I don't think it would be possible to escape even with fighter pilot reflexes. The numbers: MLT Rail - 1450 HP (2,320 w/2 MLT Damage mods), 0.35sec RoF delay. Incubus - 950 Sh, 2362 Ar dual 25% hardeners active Opening shot: 2320-950 (shields gone) = 1,370 applied to armor 43.75% resist for stacked modules 770 HP damage to armor leaving 1591 HP Second shot 0.35 seconds later: 2,320 HP reduced by 43.75% = 1,312 leaves 279 HP armor Third shot, just 0.7 seconds after notice of danger: Dead That's a zero SP, 70K ISK "risk" vs. a 15M SP, 500K ISK risk That's you shooting me when you don't even render for me. That's you hiding deep enough in the redline even after the nerf that I can't get to you. Now for the old armor hardener numbers: Opening shot: 3220 - 950 = 1,370 to armor 64% resist total 493.2 applied to armor leaving 1868.8 Second shot: 835.2 leaving 1,033.6 Third shot 835.2 leaving 198.4 Fourth shot: Dead The old numbers allowed me to tank one additional round which gave me another 0.35 seconds to react and flee. That is a whole 1.05 seconds, now reduced to 0.7 seconds with me running both hardeners at the same time. Do you still think that any ADS pilot that gets shot down is bad? Thank you very much, VERY well said. I do not want to be invincible at all, nor do I expect to just fly around and rule everything I see. But to invest as much into ADS and have the real scrub being a 0 SP invested 70K ISK redline hiding person with equal height advantages, and a rate of fire that leaves less than a second to react is insane to think that is balanced.