DUST Search - Rework Swarm launcher(with dumbfire)

jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:

Asha Starwind wrote:

Played TF2 for the first time in half a year, and looted a beggar's bazooka(finally). Then it got me thinking.

Why not rework the swarm launcher a little and reintroduce dumbfire, but not the beast that was staked in the heart long before my time and horror stories of which circulate the forums today.

1. First change would call for changing the way the ammunition is displayed to total number of missiles carried rather than number of salvos.

Mlt - (2/4) (4 missiles) -> 8/16
Std - (3/6) (4 missiles) -> 12/24
Adv -(3/6) (5 missiles) -> 15/30
Pro - (3/6) (6 missiles) -> 18/36

2. Next re-enable the swarm launcher to dumbfire only a single missile at a fire rate of 60rpm. <-- also serves as minimum refire time

3. To fire additional missiles per shot a lock-on needs to be established. The longer the lock the more missiles are fired up to the maximum of the tier.

*not taking operation skill into account
** values for non-variant swarm launcher

Mlt - 0.47 sec per additional missile fired
Std - same as mlt
Adv - 0.35 sec per additional missile fired
Pro - 0.28 sec per additional missile fired

Example. At the pro tier, when the trigger is held and a lock is established for .56 seconds a 3 - missile salvo will be fired, holding lock for the full 1.4 seconds fires a full salvo

4. Adjust splash range, and adjust splash damage to an acceptable amount.

Summary

1 - Add dumbfire
2 - Change the way ammo is displayed
3 - Tweak firing mechanic
4 - Tweak splash

Thanks for visiting

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Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 566	Posted - 2014.03.23 13:35:00 - [1] - Quote Played TF2 for the first time in half a year, and looted a beggar's bazooka(finally). Then it got me thinking. Why not rework the swarm launcher a little and reintroduce dumbfire, but not the beast that was staked in the heart long before my time and horror stories of which circulate the forums today. 1. First change would call for changing the way the ammunition is displayed to total number of missiles carried rather that number of salvos. Mlt - (2/4) (4 missiles) -> 8/16 Std - (3/6) (4 missiles) -> 12/24 Adv -(3/6) (5 missiles) -> 15/30 Pro - (3/6) (6 missiles) -> 18/36 2. Next re-enable the swarm launcher to dumbfire only a single missile at a fire rate of 60rpm. <-- also serves as minimum refire time 3. To fire additional missiles per shot a lock-on needs to be established. The longer the lock the more missiles are fired up to the maximum of the tier. not taking operation skill into account * values for non-variant swarm launcher Mlt - 0.47 sec per additional missile fired Std - same as mlt Adv - 0.35 sec per additional missile fired Pro - 0.28 sec per additional missile fired Example. At the pro tier, when the trigger is held and a lock is established for .56 seconds a 3 - missile salvo will be fired, holding lock for the full 1.4 seconds fires a full salvo 4. Adjust splash range, and adjust splash damage to an acceptable amount. Summary 1 - Add dumbfire 2 - Change the way ammo is displayed 3 - Tweak firing mechanic 4 - Tweak splash Thanks for visiting Mad Bomber Now with 50% less profile
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 987	Posted - 2014.03.23 13:50:00 - [2] - Quote OHhhhh cool. Nice idea Asha. And I'm a fellow TF2 player as well. I am the shadow, and the ghost in your eyes, I am the scout, that hunts in the night -Shadow Scout *Duct Tape*
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1427	Posted - 2014.03.23 13:54:00 - [3] - Quote The swarm launcher in the Carbon engine was dumbfire. Was a cool build all around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw#t=50
jerrmy12 kahoalii 604	Posted - 2014.03.23 15:01:00 - [4] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Played TF2 for the first time in half a year, and looted a beggar's bazooka(finally). Then it got me thinking. Why not rework the swarm launcher a little and reintroduce dumbfire, but not the beast that was staked in the heart long before my time and horror stories of which circulate the forums today. 1. First change would call for changing the way the ammunition is displayed to total number of missiles carried rather than number of salvos. Mlt - (2/4) (4 missiles) -> 8/16 Std - (3/6) (4 missiles) -> 12/24 Adv -(3/6) (5 missiles) -> 15/30 Pro - (3/6) (6 missiles) -> 18/36 2. Next re-enable the swarm launcher to dumbfire only a single missile at a fire rate of 60rpm. <-- also serves as minimum refire time 3. To fire additional missiles per shot a lock-on needs to be established. The longer the lock the more missiles are fired up to the maximum of the tier. not taking operation skill into account * values for non-variant swarm launcher Mlt - 0.47 sec per additional missile fired Std - same as mlt Adv - 0.35 sec per additional missile fired Pro - 0.28 sec per additional missile fired Example. At the pro tier, when the trigger is held and a lock is established for .56 seconds a 3 - missile salvo will be fired, holding lock for the full 1.4 seconds fires a full salvo 4. Adjust splash range, and adjust splash damage to an acceptable amount. Summary 1 - Add dumbfire 2 - Change the way ammo is displayed 3 - Tweak firing mechanic 4 - Tweak splash Thanks for visiting You loot gear in tf2? Is there a cloak without a 5 sec delay to shoot? Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6065	Posted - 2014.03.23 15:18:00 - [5] - Quote The Swarm Launcher's splash damage is 19HP per missile. Meaning that the splash damage per volley looks like this (76/95/114). Considering how that's less than the PLC, I think the splash damage doesn't need adjusting. Good idea otherwise. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 63	Posted - 2014.03.23 15:31:00 - [6] - Quote it would be nice if they brought in a swarm launcher that is point and shoot that does not require a lock on so you can use it on infantry, however CCP would need to move the skill bonuses to the weapon so that this new version can; 1) be a longer range mass driver like weapon for anti-infantry use you know have the same splash radius ect. only having 4 rounds per mag think Flaylock pistols big brother. 2) skill bonus could be +10% to missile velocity per level. 3) they can have a anti-armor version that does the old swarm launcher damage that can fire 12 swarms before the need to reload. I could give you 10 reason why the Dust team cant get the Amarr tank style right but they are all out of care.
CaoticFox Axis of Chaos 197	Posted - 2014.03.23 16:22:00 - [7] - Quote Bethhy wrote: The swarm launcher in the Carbon engine was dumbfire. Was a cool build all around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw#t=50 WTF HAPPENED CCP? Im on the FORUMS because im P!$$ED off @ the game. as of 1920 CST USA 02-03-14 i have... 53,765,260 SP
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 574	Posted - 2014.03.23 16:35:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Swarm Launcher's splash damage is 19HP per missile. Meaning that the splash damage per volley looks like this (76/95/114). Considering how that's less than the PLC, I think the splash damage doesn't need adjusting. Good idea otherwise. It fires one rocket when dumbfired, that's why I suggest the splash damage adjustment Mad Bomber Now with 50% less profile
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 574	Posted - 2014.03.23 16:43:00 - [9] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Played TF2 for the first time in half a year, and looted a beggar's bazooka(finally). Then it got me thinking. Why not rework the swarm launcher a little and reintroduce dumbfire, but not the beast that was staked in the heart long before my time and horror stories of which circulate the forums today. 1. First change would call for changing the way the ammunition is displayed to total number of missiles carried rather than number of salvos. Mlt - (2/4) (4 missiles) -> 8/16 Std - (3/6) (4 missiles) -> 12/24 Adv -(3/6) (5 missiles) -> 15/30 Pro - (3/6) (6 missiles) -> 18/36 2. Next re-enable the swarm launcher to dumbfire only a single missile at a fire rate of 60rpm. <-- also serves as minimum refire time 3. To fire additional missiles per shot a lock-on needs to be established. The longer the lock the more missiles are fired up to the maximum of the tier. not taking operation skill into account * values for non-variant swarm launcher Mlt - 0.47 sec per additional missile fired Std - same as mlt Adv - 0.35 sec per additional missile fired Pro - 0.28 sec per additional missile fired Example. At the pro tier, when the trigger is held and a lock is established for .56 seconds a 3 - missile salvo will be fired, holding lock for the full 1.4 seconds fires a full salvo 4. Adjust splash range, and adjust splash damage to an acceptable amount. Summary 1 - Add dumbfire 2 - Change the way ammo is displayed 3 - Tweak firing mechanic 4 - Tweak splash Thanks for visiting You loot gear in tf2? Is there a cloak without a 5 sec delay to shoot? Mad Bomber Now with 50% less profile
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 1	Posted - 2014.03.23 20:11:00 - [10] - Quote That would end up being to OP and then get nerfed to near uselessness *W.I.D.O.S.* when in doubt orbital strike

Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 579	Posted - 2014.03.23 21:17:00 - [11] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: That would end up being to OP and then get nerfed to near uselessness Exactly how? 60rpm, One missile a second at 220 damage per missile with splash damage less than that. It's the only weapon in the game that is 100% completely useless against infantry. Considering that it takes up a light weapon slot that is unacceptable. Mad Bomber Now with 50% less profile
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 729	Posted - 2014.04.05 21:21:00 - [12] - Quote Helmsman, to the first page. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 140	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:42:00 - [13] - Quote Don't worry guys the minmatar will have an RPG as an alternative to guided swarm launcher in the light category assault being an unguided Anti-personnel Rocket breach being an unguided Anti-Vehicle Rocket All theoretical of course (Crystal Ball) 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6748	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:46:00 - [14] - Quote Bump. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Contaminator Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 75	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:27:00 - [15] - Quote I think they should go back to one of the builds many moons ago (it was in closed beta I think?) you think FOTM is bad... lol... the swarm skill was a 5% increase to splash radius . It was a lot of fun but could not go on. When I say bring it back i mean the function of dummy firing swarms or being able to lock onto vehicles was possible at that time. What they should do however, is drop the splash damage and radius down to roughly that of the PLC... maybe a little less as the PLC is rough to use as AI and AV, and the swarm has a magazine. admitting you are being illogical doesn't validate your point. It shows you know you are being dumb and keep talking
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 851	Posted - 2014.04.15 18:23:00 - [16] - Quote I'm pretty sure actual rocket launchers were datamined with the latest data dump. So, swarm launchers most likely don't need the ability to be dumb fired. That's not to say that SLs don't need balance in some other areas, though, such as missile travel time increases as you move up meta levels. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 275	Posted - 2014.04.15 18:38:00 - [17] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: Don't worry guys the minmatar will have an RPG as an alternative to guided swarm launcher in the light category assault being an unguided Anti-personnel Rocket breach being an unguided Anti-Vehicle Rocket All theoretical of course (Crystal Ball) Some time ago a CCP dev mentioned that there is a "launcher" category for light weapons. The Minmatar version of the Swarmer is the Mass Driver. Gallente is PLC. I wonder what the Amarr variant will be. Anyway, I definitely support dumbfire. It would make Swarmers far less ridiculous.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2008	Posted - 2014.04.15 20:43:00 - [18] - Quote Bethhy wrote: The swarm launcher in the Carbon engine was dumbfire. Was a cool build all around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw#t=50 You played the alpha? if not, gtfo. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-


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