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Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 133	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote Or is this all the Unreal engine has to offer? BORN CALDARI
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 273	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:49:00 - [2] - Quote On the ps3...yes GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 133	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:52:00 - [3] - Quote Did u mean to spell ps4? BORN CALDARI
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1992	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:52:00 - [4] - Quote Most of the games on ps3 are unreal engine... However.. should have been on pc Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1524	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:53:00 - [5] - Quote They can't get any worse. Who wants some?
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 241	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:55:00 - [6] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Most of the games on ps3 are unreal engine... However.. should have been on pc Most...? Not really. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
pseudosnipre 597	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:57:00 - [7] - Quote I run Dust at 1080p and tell guests that it's a digital picture frame. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 816	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:01:00 - [8] - Quote Well, I like the graphics of DUST 514. They aren't the best thing ever but they sure are better than what we had in beta. The PS3 is a very limited machine this time. I think even the 24 vs 24 players are never going to happen in this platform. DUST BRASIL S.A (DBSA) *DIRECTOR* We have ringers available (Contact: Sadashi or Necandi Brasil)
Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1682	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:09:00 - [9] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: They can't get any worse. I have to take issue... It would take wearing cheap eyeglasses of the wrong prescription, but yes, it could. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Squagga The State Protectorate 307	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:10:00 - [10] - Quote They keep changing the graphics of the game. Why? I don't know. After closed beta they really didn't need to. It looked way better in open beta Reloading, the silent killer.

Soldiersaint Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:18:00 - [11] - Quote A game that goes for graphics almost always fails in gameplay. work on the game first then the graphics.
RendonaSix SWAMPERIUM 5	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:31:00 - [12] - Quote Ypou can't expect dust to ever come close to ccps and our vision of dust on the ps3. I know its os doesn't use a lot of memory but ffs CCP, 512mb of ram is so 2001 lol. I am not Tech.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 257	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:35:00 - [13] - Quote Actually Dust had better graphics awhile back when they were using the Carbon engine. However it melted PS3s so they had to start over with Unreal. Hopefully Carbon works on PS4. PvE 2014
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1654	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:44:00 - [14] - Quote You can increase graphics at the expense of having Fog of War out past 50 meters. I much preferred Chromosome where you could see from one end of the map to the other, rather than Upisings "things are pretty but you can only see 100-200 meters." Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
nakaya indigene 0uter.Heaven 178	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:11:00 - [15] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: You can increase graphics at the expense of having Fog of War out past 50 meters. I much preferred Chromosome where you could see from one end of the map to the other, rather than Upisings "things are pretty but you can only see 100-200 meters." Yeah this kind of thing bugs me too The Jove espier --- my youtube --> NakaNakaNaka
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1824	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:16:00 - [16] - Quote Dust can get better. Will it? I don't know. Can it do it soon, probably not.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 140	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:19:00 - [17] - Quote judging from the availability of at least 6 gigs of ram, we should be able to have at least 12x better graphics, or 12x more people on maps visually. Network wise it might not be possible though.... well see at the end of the summer with the official availability of the Unreal Engine 4 since three days ago .... Quebec United CFO
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2091	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:22:00 - [18] - Quote The can improve and probably will a little as CCP gets better at coding for the PS3 and code optimization. Experience with the PS3 architecture and programming methods is key to making games look better and run smoother. It is a difficult and timely process but it can produce very nice looking games. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Powerh8er DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 402	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:27:00 - [19] - Quote Whats the point? Everybody is gonna run around being cloaked anyway. Te Valhall!
Archbot W a r F o r g e d 113	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote I play with HD, only thing that really isn't too beautiful is the terrain textures. Ya¦Åu-Å Å-ÅGèéGäîGä¦Gä¦Gä¦-ìY

Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 543	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:34:00 - [21] - Quote I don't think it can on the ps3, it already at it's limits. There are games that look better the resources demanded at single time those games are probably significantly lower... smaller areas/map sections, fewer number of textures, hidden or not more loading screens, etc. Point is the PS3 is maxed or nearly maxed out. Mad Bomber Now with 50% less profile
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 257	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:39:00 - [22] - Quote I like the graphics, I think it's a nice looking game and the maps are huge and with the need (blame the snipers) to be able to see very long distances in these huge maps, it's difficult to keep the lag to a minimum and also push the graphics. Keeping this game so big and so nice and keeping lag to a minimum is a real balancing act, they've done a great job with what they have to work with. Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 140	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:45:00 - [23] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: I don't think it can on the ps3, it already at it's limits. There are games that look better the resources demanded at single time those games are probably significantly lower... smaller areas/map sections, fewer number of textures, hidden or not more loading screens, etc. Point is the PS3 is maxed or nearly maxed out. No Frostbyte from electronic art has way more optimizations than UE3, the problem is UE3, it has been upgraded a bit but most of Epics last two years as been at working on UE4. CCP lacks the engineers to make the engine better and they are right not to put efforts there since Epic has done the job to create UE4 and although it will take some time to upgrade the game to the engine, probably Epic has an upgrade plan for them worked out already. Thrust me, the playstation 3 can do better than dust, but factor in multiplayer and bad junior code from China and there you go, bottle neck. Unless I am proven wrong by Unreal engine 4 in the next few weeks, Frostbyte is the most powerful next gen engine in the industry atm, maybe Scimitar from Ubisoft is getting somewhere near Frostbyte. Dont be fooled by Dunia's latest release Watch dog, this engine is **** incarnated imo. Quebec United CFO
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 777	Posted - 2014.03.21 23:45:00 - [24] - Quote The graphics in DUST are not bad really. It is mostly that DUST has an aesthetics problem. The classic example is to look at Spirits Within compared to The Incredibles. Spirits Within obviously as much better 'graphics' but isn't as pretty and pleasing as The Incredibles. DUST needs it's own kind of look. EVE's character models are dated as all hell but I won't ever call the graphics in EVE bad. The reason is because go to a Blackhole Wormhole Space and look down. Fly to a plasma planet and look at it. The game gives a truly beautiful backdrop to which to play with rather basic models. It works. I don't think you can simply state "The Unreal Engine can't do any better on the PS3." The same engine, Unreal 3, powered Mass Effect 1-3, Bioshock, and the Batman games. Obviously those games are very different but they do show what the PS3 can do. I do think DUST could look better than it does now.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 744	Posted - 2014.03.22 00:14:00 - [25] - Quote cough cough Next gen build cough cough Unleash the Fogwoggler
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1998	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:44:00 - [26] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: The can improve and probably will a little as CCP gets better at coding for the PS3 and code optimization. Experience with the PS3 architecture and programming methods is key to making games look better and run smoother. It is a difficult and timely process but it can produce very nice looking games. lol Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 731	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:46:00 - [27] - Quote who cares about graphics looking pretty.. i only care about graphics when i dont know where to find my objective..
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2534	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:54:00 - [28] - Quote Go and take a look at MGS5: ground zeroes. Best graphics on PS3 that you can achieve but on the other hand Kojima porductions didnt took the lazy way by using a unreal engine. They developed a engine from the scratch called "Fox engine". I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 40	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:24:00 - [29] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: Well, I like the graphics of DUST 514. They aren't the best thing ever but they sure are better than what we had in beta. The PS3 is a very limited machine this time. I think even the 24 vs 24 players are never going to happen in this platform. What about MAG, MAG had 256 with awesome graphics but gameplay is where its at. Dust 48 player battles will happen. Platform limitation = Most BS excuse that many people use. If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 40	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:27:00 - [30] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: cough cough Next gen build cough cough Cough cough idiot cough cough you mean current gen. Next gen is the future, ps4 and xbox one are already released so now they are current gen. If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.

Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5170	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:29:00 - [31] - Quote Well. I cant play this game on HD without it completely crashing my PS3 so I'm forced to play in SD for all of eternity while playing this (No, its not my PS3. Dark Souls 2, Far Cry, Bioshock, TLOU, Tomb Raider, Borderlands, Demons' Souls and Starhawk can all be played on HD for hours, I cant even log on to check mail in DUST while in HD) So, short answer. No.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 140	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:35:00 - [32] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Go and take a look at MGS5: ground zeroes. Best graphics on PS3 that you can achieve but on the other hand Kojima porductions didnt took the lazy way by using a unreal engine. They developed a engine from the scratch called "Fox engine". Yeah and I am certain they actually have a 16 vs 16 multiplayer mode in MGS5 on the PS3 lol Quebec United CFO
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 141	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:42:00 - [33] - Quote Just so you remember Mark Rein of Epic fought vigorously to have 512 MB of ram in the XBOX 360, there is only that much the unreal engine can do on the PS3 and Xbox, it is still very good on the PC because of the high availability of RAM. Since there is a lot of ram on the PS4 there will be room for a lot more, if not graphics, it will be larger multiplayer for sure. Also there are twists that needs to be made on the PS3 so data can be processed by the cell processor. The ps4 comes back to the X86 architecture which will speed up development gracefully because of stack sizes in multi-threads. Quebec United CFO
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4418	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:38:00 - [34] - Quote They look great to me. I am your scan error.
Marie-Anne Neroud Bragian Order Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:00:00 - [35] - Quote I don't think that Dust 514's graphics can get radically better on the PlayStation 3. I mostly expect small improvements into engine optimization with the platform. (Again, which I doubt seeing the engine is Unreal, and it has many limitations when it comes to really huge maps such as the ones in Dust 514) My conclusion is based on the hardware that the PlayStation 3 is currently equipped with; PlayStation 3 Specifications Cell BE processor. In particular, the Cell processor on each node has only six SPEs accessible to the user out of eight. One of the eight SPEs is disabled at the hardware level due to yield reasons and another SPE is reserved for use by the GameOS operating system Memory system built of dual-channel Rambus Extreme Data Rate (XDR) memory. The PlayStation 3 provides a modest amount of memory of 256 MB A special edition graphics card from NVIDIA and 256 MB of video RAM. Source http://eprints.ma.man.ac.uk/819/01/covered/MIMS_ep2007_93.pdf
RydogV Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 689	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:23:00 - [36] - Quote Can the graphics on Dust get any better on PS3? Yeah, they could, performance could be better too. Will CCP be able to get the graphics (or performance) to be any better on PS3? I would not hold your breath. Basically it comes down to the developer being able to optimize both the engine and the hardware. After two years, it seems pretty clear that there are limitations to the team's skill set...with the Unreal Engine, the Cell Processor and shooter design in general. It is also about resources, of which CCP seem to have few. Fair enough I guess with a F2P shooter but IMO somewhat of a cop-out. There are dozens of games that ran on the PS3 and looked really good. These titles were no more 'demanding' than Dust is. I mean basically we are talking about a 16v16 shooter with vehicles. But other studios had bigger and better teams I guess. Lots of variables...few in CCP's favor.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2705	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:49:00 - [37] - Quote Its not entirely the engine and its not even the hardware thats the problem, its CCP inability to optimize So while this game could look better I dont think it will Edit: Or what the guy above me said, I didnt read the whole thread and he puts it much better I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2705	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:50:00 - [38] - Quote Broken ass double posts I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2705	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:55:00 - [39] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Go and take a look at MGS5: ground zeroes. Best graphics on PS3 that you can achieve but on the other hand Kojima porductions didnt took the lazy way by using a unreal engine. They developed a engine from the scratch called "Fox engine". Yeah and I am certain they actually have a 16 vs 16 multiplayer mode in MGS5 on the PS3 lol MGO2 confirmed for MGS 5 actually, and anyone that played MGO with MGS 4 remembers the amount of customization and game modes available in that puts this game to shame Soooooo, yeah I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 72	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:57:00 - [40] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: A game that goes for graphics almost always fails in gameplay. work on the game first then the graphics. And dust is not one of them, even though to be honest the graphics are pretty neat, and they can get better, plus I haven't seen such graphics in any other unreal engine game. But transfering it to PC sometime would be pretty much the best solution to everything.



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