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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 07:16:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:In the Gal-Matar, Cal-Amarr sense, not the player sense.
From my limited understanding of the lore, the Gallente and Amarr have been at loggerheads since they met each other.
The Caldari and Gallente have been at war for centuries.
Why is the general political situation of New Eden so stagnant?
I would have liked to see, for example, even somewhere in the lore, a place where the Caldari and Gallente had even a temporary ceasefire and worked together against, say, the Amarr. Who may or may not have been involved with the Minmatar in a less shackles-and-chains sense.
Now, I don't mean that New Eden should suddenly become lovey-dovey and full of 'carebears', but hat the political situations in each empire are so stagnant?
I just reread Empyrean Age and Templar One (don't ask me why. I regret it already) and it seems that each faction has it's own organisation, either official or otherwise, that is psychopathically hell-bent on the utter ruin of their opposition. (e.g. Templis Dragonaurs)
Why is there no opposite faction, for example?
Why are there so few actually and actively committed to military peace in New Eden? In a real sense, not in an 'Emperor Heideran' sense - despite his good wishes Amarr are still in a cataclysmic war with the Minmatar.
I don't buy that.
I can't think of any point in actual history where a civilisation has been so utterly set against another. Ever.
I can't see how such a situation could exist. Eventually, universally, something breaks. One side loses its drive, or both. One side overwhelms the other, or a peace occurs.
But it doesn't seem like that's the case in New Eden.
Am I missing something? Or are the loremasters of EVE just bad writers?
Its not so simply as one side allying with another Lorhak.
If any one side makes a move or play it is not just a matter of retuning things to normal a few month later......... even the single slightest political shift in power that gives one Empire more of less power, and an opportune moment to use it would trigger a massive cluster wide conflict that could rage of decades.......and in the midst if that kind of chaos......who else would take advantage.
The main point I am trying to make is that there is no benefit to inciting such a conflict......it would drag out for a long time.....and what would be left?
Could one Empire garner enough power to ensure their victory? No....no they could not.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 07:23:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Ok, another statement, then. The US and Great Britain are allies but didn't used to be. That is your scenario.
My scenario is the US and France. When the US was not the US yet,, we were at war, but since we became independent, France has been our ally. That is over 200 years ago. And it has not changed, at all, in that time. That is the alliances in New Eden. This is true. I'm not talking about alliances, though, not really. The fact that the intractable wars have continued for so long, really, is my bone of contention. I can't think of a situation where a war has carried on for such a long period of time. Again, it's not really the alliances, but the fact that the civilisations have existed in such similar forms for tens of thousands of years. Now, I don't really have a problem with this per se, but it does seem implausible that four civilisations, let alone one, would achieve such complete and total mastery. The Amarr has the least plausible backstory, in my opinion, where the Cal-Gal have a much more plausible one, so there is that.
Lorhak none of New Edens societies can be directly compared to any of our own......we as players have comparatively little information presented to us about them in terms of culture......
As such we cannot disregard lore.
In an environment where we are educated in our respective cultures a cycle of hate is hard to break.....and contrary to what you think Lorhak yes there are many unforgivable actions that have happened in New Eden that given the cultural climate understandably could not be reconciled.
Remember Lorhak these are heroes of villans in New Eden.....they are just people. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less than people.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.21 07:29:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:True Adamance wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Ok, another statement, then. The US and Great Britain are allies but didn't used to be. That is your scenario.
My scenario is the US and France. When the US was not the US yet,, we were at war, but since we became independent, France has been our ally. That is over 200 years ago. And it has not changed, at all, in that time. That is the alliances in New Eden. This is true. I'm not talking about alliances, though, not really. The fact that the intractable wars have continued for so long, really, is my bone of contention. I can't think of a situation where a war has carried on for such a long period of time. Again, it's not really the alliances, but the fact that the civilisations have existed in such similar forms for tens of thousands of years. Now, I don't really have a problem with this per se, but it does seem implausible that four civilisations, let alone one, would achieve such complete and total mastery. The Amarr has the least plausible backstory, in my opinion, where the Cal-Gal have a much more plausible one, so there is that. Lorhak none of New Edens societies can be directly compared to any of our own......we as players have comparatively little information presented to us about them in terms of culture...... As such we cannot disregard lore. In an environment where we are educated in our respective cultures a cycle of hate is hard to break.....and contrary to what you think Lorhak yes there are many unforgivable actions that have happened in New Eden that given the cultural climate understandably could not be reconciled. Remember Lorhak these are heroes of villans in New Eden.....they are just people. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less than people. This is actually part of it, tbh. It just seems like a hand waving of history to justify current events. Anyway, sorry guys, I'm starting to get a bit confused as to what exactly I mean. I'll think about it and come back later :) Maybe I'll have a more coherent argument then :P
Only thing I have more to contribute is that you cannot conceivably convince trillions of people to let go of their preconceived notions and beliefs over something so trivial as governments making nice with one another.
I mean if the country of Lorhakland invaded murdered and entire generation of people, tortured and ........, salted the earth, stuck babies on pikes and shat all over my car........ maybe 20 years the people of Adamantia would certainly not forgive of forget those wrongs simply because I told them to as their Emperor
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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