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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 230	Posted - 2014.03.21 03:44:00 - [1] - Quote I'm thinking giving them a 4 clip size, double splash radius, and slightly increase splash and direct damage (by slightly i mean slightly-5%ish) Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 185	Posted - 2014.03.21 03:48:00 - [2] - Quote The fray lock isn't that UP. I get kills with te standard version. I just think it needs a bigger splash area. This game need more vehicles!
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 230	Posted - 2014.03.21 03:50:00 - [3] - Quote thesupertman wrote: The fray lock isn't that UP. I get kills with te standard version. I just think it needs a bigger splash area. just because you can get kills doesn't mean its not UP. i get kills with the LR and shotgun, does that mean that they are not UP? Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Eskimorris SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 34	Posted - 2014.03.21 04:01:00 - [4] - Quote Yes it does
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 185	Posted - 2014.03.21 04:19:00 - [5] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: thesupertman wrote: The fray lock isn't that UP. I get kills with te standard version. I just think it needs a bigger splash area. just because you can get kills doesn't mean its not UP. i get kills with the LR and shotgun, does that mean that they are not UP? I didn't say it wasn't UP. I said it isn't THAT UP. This game need more vehicles!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3589	Posted - 2014.03.21 04:25:00 - [6] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: I'm thinking giving them a 4 clip size, double splash radius, and slightly increase splash and direct damage (by slightly i mean slightly-5%ish) Splash radius increase. No.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 4689	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:20:00 - [7] - Quote The splash radius got nerfed in the first place for a reason. As such "double splash radius" would be bad.. That's like 3m + splash radius 25% from skill. I think all it needs is its original 2m splash back. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:43:00 - [8] - Quote Give all flaylocks a 2m splash radius That would fix it
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 489	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:18:00 - [9] - Quote I don't see why nova knives aren't a minmatar weapon and flaylock isn't a caldari... Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Kaughst Nyain San 326	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:23:00 - [10] - Quote It needs to not compete with the Mass Driver. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."

STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 224	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:23:00 - [11] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: I don't see why nova knives aren't a minmatar weapon and flaylock isn't a caldari... There are more racial knives coming, and the flaylock is an explosive weapon like most minmatar weapons, the 2 new pistols are gallente and caldari, the magsec sng is also caldari. I support a small splash radius buff, I don't even have a single SP into it either.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 606	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:30:00 - [12] - Quote 4 rockets plus 1.5x slash erea NO DAMAGE BUFF "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2134	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:53:00 - [13] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: I'm thinking giving them a 4 clip size, double splash radius, and slightly increase splash and direct damage (by slightly i mean slightly-5%ish) That is literally reversing the nerf and more this would make them OP again probably more OP than before. What it needs is damage fall off from the center of the splash radius to very small damage on the edges then a slower traveling speed for the projectile. From here splash radius and damage can be increased. For the Federation!
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 251	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:06:00 - [14] - Quote The Flaylock needs a buff to direct damage and nothing else! If you increase the splash damage/radius you get nothing but more scrubs spamming that thing. If you increase the direct damage it would be brilliant as a finisher to take down heavies (since the splash resistance wouldn't help for direct hits). And since the projectile speed is still slow, medium/light suits would have a good chance to avoid direct hits. Leave splash as is - period!
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2659	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:16:00 - [15] - Quote Their fine as they are to be honest Its a skill shot wepone the reason its not used is due ttk meaning your dead before the first rocket hits :-( "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Slash Frenzy R 0 N 1 N 27	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:37:00 - [16] - Quote It is a sidearm. Use it like a sidearm. Killed two guys with the basic flay as I went sniping today. No skills besides operation lvl 1. Stop QQ
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 252	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:45:00 - [17] - Quote Slash Frenzy wrote: It is a sidearm. Use it like a sidearm. Killed two guys with the basic flay as I went sniping today. No skills besides operation lvl 1. Stop QQ Well, these guys probably where scrubs in militia suits... nice arguing...
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2080	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:11:00 - [18] - Quote Kaughst wrote: It needs to not compete with the Mass Driver. I have to agree with this. The Flaylock of old that was OP was just a baby MD and that was my big problem with them. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 791	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:18:00 - [19] - Quote Maybe making the flaylock like a roket pistol, the biggest problem I always had with the Flay was it behaves too much like a mass driver. This leads to the following: it is as hated as the MD its hard to balance against MD (if its too close there is no reason to use the MD if **** to way apart it's nearly useless) there is nothing unique... It was meant as a rocketpistol but behaves like grenade launcher My suggestion: buff direct damage give it a small splash radius remove the firing arc (makes no sense on a rocket pistol) and increase projectile speed. Add a special variant that can lock on infantry (lock on time should be based on scan profil)
Fremder V1 Armed And Aimless 8	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:22:00 - [20] - Quote Increased direct damage, decreased RoF... Make it a real skill-shot/av-sidearm, i say!

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1795	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:27:00 - [21] - Quote hmm, maybe give them the old stats they used to have? Anime > EVERYTHING
Twelve Guage Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 144	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:29:00 - [22] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: I'm thinking giving them a 4 clip size, double splash radius, and slightly increase splash and direct damage (by slightly i mean slightly-5%ish) If you want to fix this gun my suggestion is for you to actually skill it to proto then surprise take it's proficiency to level five. The gun is pretty much a boss after that it can maybe use one more bullet to its clips size but that's it. Death Firm recruiter and sandwiches maker.
Twelve Guage Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 144	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:30:00 - [23] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: hmm, maybe give them the old stats they used to have? No Death Firm recruiter and sandwiches maker.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 243	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:12:00 - [24] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: hmm, maybe give them the old stats they used to have? not a bad idea Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 130	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:15:00 - [25] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: thesupertman wrote: The fray lock isn't that UP. I get kills with te standard version. I just think it needs a bigger splash area. just because you can get kills doesn't mean its not UP. i get kills with the LR and shotgun, does that mean that they are not UP? The shotgun isn't underpowered... My 1.8 fit
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 243	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:17:00 - [26] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: thesupertman wrote: The fray lock isn't that UP. I get kills with te standard version. I just think it needs a bigger splash area. just because you can get kills doesn't mean its not UP. i get kills with the LR and shotgun, does that mean that they are not UP? The shotgun isn't underpowered... compared to rifles, yes it is. Lower DPS, much lower range, lower hit detection, and more accuracy required Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 130	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:18:00 - [27] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: thesupertman wrote: The fray lock isn't that UP. I get kills with te standard version. I just think it needs a bigger splash area. just because you can get kills doesn't mean its not UP. i get kills with the LR and shotgun, does that mean that they are not UP? The shotgun isn't underpowered... compared to rifles, yes it is. Lower DPS, much lower range, lower hit detection, and more accuracy required No, I can kill rifle users all day. You just have to know when to approach someone and when to wait it out and let them stumble upon a shotgun shell to the back of the head. My 1.8 fit
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 243	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:22:00 - [28] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: thesupertman wrote: The fray lock isn't that UP. I get kills with te standard version. I just think it needs a bigger splash area. just because you can get kills doesn't mean its not UP. i get kills with the LR and shotgun, does that mean that they are not UP? The shotgun isn't underpowered... compared to rifles, yes it is. Lower DPS, much lower range, lower hit detection, and more accuracy required No, I can kill rifle users all day. You just have to know when to approach someone and when to wait it out and let them stumble upon a shotgun shell to the back of the head. using an adv shotgun, i regularly go 12-20 and 3-7. using a basic combat rifle with no damage mods and only one level into it, i regularly go 25+ and 3-6 Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 130	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:26:00 - [29] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: using an adv shotgun, i regularly go 12-20 and 3-7. using a basic combat rifle with no damage mods and only one level into it, i regularly go 25+ and 3-6 Okay? I've seen people use shotguns and go 40 plus kills with an adv shotgun. Just because the shotgun is a lot more situational doesn't mean it's underpowered. My 1.8 fit
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 243	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:27:00 - [30] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: using an adv shotgun, i regularly go 12-20 and 3-7. using a basic combat rifle with no damage mods and only one level into it, i regularly go 25+ and 3-6 Okay? I've seen people use shotguns and go 40 plus kills with an adv shotgun. Just because the shotgun is a lot more situational doesn't mean it's underpowered. if its a lot more situational and has less reward in that situation, it is UP. and don't confuse skill with weapon capabilities Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 130	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:32:00 - [31] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: using an adv shotgun, i regularly go 12-20 and 3-7. using a basic combat rifle with no damage mods and only one level into it, i regularly go 25+ and 3-6 Okay? I've seen people use shotguns and go 40 plus kills with an adv shotgun. Just because the shotgun is a lot more situational doesn't mean it's underpowered. if its a lot more situational and has less reward in that situation, it is UP. and don't confuse skill with weapon capabilities That's the thing, it has more rewards in those situations. Just today I killed seven guys in a row because they were crowded around the objective and I flanked around and killed them, they were all using rifles, two of them with rifles on heavy frames, oh yeah and I was in a standard suit with a standard shotgun too. My 1.8 fit
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 244	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:34:00 - [32] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: using an adv shotgun, i regularly go 12-20 and 3-7. using a basic combat rifle with no damage mods and only one level into it, i regularly go 25+ and 3-6 Okay? I've seen people use shotguns and go 40 plus kills with an adv shotgun. Just because the shotgun is a lot more situational doesn't mean it's underpowered. if its a lot more situational and has less reward in that situation, it is UP. and don't confuse skill with weapon capabilities That's the thing, it has more rewards in those situations. Just today I killed seven guys in a row because they were crowded around the objective and I flanked around and killed them, they were all using rifles, two of them with rifles on heavy frames, oh yeah and I was in a standard suit with a standard shotgun too. cool story bro-you would've done better with a rifle. heavy frames require 2 head shots or 3 body shots to kill, so I'm assuming you had to reload at least twice also, playing against competent players generally makes it slightly more difficult, though i admit i have killed several big corp (team players, AE) with shotguns before and not died to their proto rifles. However, i would encourage a comparison between the combat rifle and shotgun-you may find what I'm saying to be true Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 130	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:41:00 - [33] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: using an adv shotgun, i regularly go 12-20 and 3-7. using a basic combat rifle with no damage mods and only one level into it, i regularly go 25+ and 3-6 Okay? I've seen people use shotguns and go 40 plus kills with an adv shotgun. Just because the shotgun is a lot more situational doesn't mean it's underpowered. if its a lot more situational and has less reward in that situation, it is UP. and don't confuse skill with weapon capabilities That's the thing, it has more rewards in those situations. Just today I killed seven guys in a row because they were crowded around the objective and I flanked around and killed them, they were all using rifles, two of them with rifles on heavy frames, oh yeah and I was in a standard suit with a standard shotgun too. cool story bro-you would've done better with a rifle. heavy frames require 2 head shots or 3 body shots to kill, so I'm assuming you had to reload at least twice also, playing against competent players generally makes it slightly more difficult, though i admit i have killed several big corp (team players, AE) with shotguns before and not died to their proto rifles. However, i would encourage a comparison between the combat rifle and shotgun-you may find what I'm saying to be true No, I really wouldn't have done better with a rifle, they would have seen the hit, and where it came from, turned around and killed my paper suit. I needed a almost insta-kill weapon so I could keep my stealth, and yes! I did reload, but I would've had to reload at least three times with a rifle. My 1.8 fit
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 245	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:43:00 - [34] - Quote whatever--we disagree about the shotgun. the real question is the flay lock. what do you think a good buff would be? (trying to keep this thread on topic) Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 130	Posted - 2014.03.22 01:46:00 - [35] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: whatever--we disagree about the shotgun. the real question is the flay lock. what do you think a good buff would be? (trying to keep this thread on topic) Oh man, now that thing is underpowered! at least we can both agree on that. I think what you initially suggested would be nice, maybe a 10% bonus to damage instead of 5 though. My 1.8 fit
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 246	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:54:00 - [36] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: whatever--we disagree about the shotgun. the real question is the flay lock. what do you think a good buff would be? (trying to keep this thread on topic) Oh man, now that thing is underpowered! at least we can both agree on that. I think what you initially suggested would be nice, maybe a 10% bonus to damage instead of 5 though. ok cool. at least we agree on that :) Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 37	Posted - 2014.03.22 02:54:00 - [37] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: I'm thinking giving them a 4 clip size, double splash radius, and slightly increase splash and direct damage (by slightly i mean slightly-5%ish) That is literally reversing the nerf and more this would make them OP again probably more OP than before. What it needs is damage fall off from the center of the splash radius to very small damage on the edges then a slower traveling speed for the projectile. From here splash radius and damage can be increased heavily. Make them OP again. If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
Kaughst Nyain San 326	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:05:00 - [38] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Maybe making the flaylock like a roket pistol, the biggest problem I always had with the Flay was it behaves too much like a mass driver. This leads to the following: it is as hated as the MD its hard to balance against MD (if its too close there is no reason to use the MD if **** to way apart it's nearly useless) there is nothing unique... It was meant as a rocketpistol but behaves like grenade launcher My suggestion: buff direct damage give it a small splash radius remove the firing arc (makes no sense on a rocket pistol) and increase projectile speed. Add a special variant that can lock on infantry (lock on time should be based on scan profil) The description had said that it locks on. And even the CPM at the time before it was released thought it could lock on. If it had solely the damage direct/splash as it does now and locks on at a reasonable distance maybe 10 or 15 meters, it wouldn't be that bad of a weapon...unfortunately the lock on mechanics are a little cruddy right now. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 246	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:14:00 - [39] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Maybe making the flaylock like a roket pistol, the biggest problem I always had with the Flay was it behaves too much like a mass driver. This leads to the following: it is as hated as the MD its hard to balance against MD (if its too close there is no reason to use the MD if **** to way apart it's nearly useless) there is nothing unique... It was meant as a rocketpistol but behaves like grenade launcher My suggestion: buff direct damage give it a small splash radius remove the firing arc (makes no sense on a rocket pistol) and increase projectile speed. Add a special variant that can lock on infantry (lock on time should be based on scan profil) The description had said that it locks on. And even the CPM at the time before it was released thought it could lock on. If it had solely the damage direct/splash as it does now and locks on at a reasonable distance maybe 10 or 15 meters, it wouldn't be that bad of a weapon...unfortunately the lock on mechanics are a little cruddy right now. i don't want lock on---that makes it OP. however, returning it to 4 clip size, pre-nerf blast radius, and an average of prenerf damage and current damage would make it perfect, i think. Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Kaughst Nyain San 326	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:32:00 - [40] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Kaughst wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Maybe making the flaylock like a roket pistol, the biggest problem I always had with the Flay was it behaves too much like a mass driver. This leads to the following: it is as hated as the MD its hard to balance against MD (if its too close there is no reason to use the MD if **** to way apart it's nearly useless) there is nothing unique... It was meant as a rocketpistol but behaves like grenade launcher My suggestion: buff direct damage give it a small splash radius remove the firing arc (makes no sense on a rocket pistol) and increase projectile speed. Add a special variant that can lock on infantry (lock on time should be based on scan profil) The description had said that it locks on. And even the CPM at the time before it was released thought it could lock on. If it had solely the damage direct/splash as it does now and locks on at a reasonable distance maybe 10 or 15 meters, it wouldn't be that bad of a weapon...unfortunately the lock on mechanics are a little cruddy right now. i don't want lock on---that makes it OP. however, returning it to 4 clip size, pre-nerf blast radius, and an average of prenerf damage and current damage would make it perfect, i think. No, than it competes with the MD. Nothing separates the weapon from the MD and giving it more damage, radius, clip size does not help that. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."

Patrlck 56 88	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:35:00 - [41] - Quote thesupertman wrote: I just think it needs a bigger splash area. So, make it OP again? FA's youngest mascot
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 248	Posted - 2014.03.22 03:36:00 - [42] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Kaughst wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Maybe making the flaylock like a roket pistol, the biggest problem I always had with the Flay was it behaves too much like a mass driver. This leads to the following: it is as hated as the MD its hard to balance against MD (if its too close there is no reason to use the MD if **** to way apart it's nearly useless) there is nothing unique... It was meant as a rocketpistol but behaves like grenade launcher My suggestion: buff direct damage give it a small splash radius remove the firing arc (makes no sense on a rocket pistol) and increase projectile speed. Add a special variant that can lock on infantry (lock on time should be based on scan profil) The description had said that it locks on. And even the CPM at the time before it was released thought it could lock on. If it had solely the damage direct/splash as it does now and locks on at a reasonable distance maybe 10 or 15 meters, it wouldn't be that bad of a weapon...unfortunately the lock on mechanics are a little cruddy right now. i don't want lock on---that makes it OP. however, returning it to 4 clip size, pre-nerf blast radius, and an average of prenerf damage and current damage would make it perfect, i think. No, than it competes with the MD. Nothing separates the weapon from the MD and giving it more damage, radius, clip size does not help that. other than the fact that it would still be worse in every wayGÇª.currently, it still "competes with the mass driver" as one of the most unused weapons in the game. next patch, MD's are getting a massive buff, so flay locks should as well. It only makes sense. The only people who would dislike that are gallente spammers Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Kaughst Nyain San 326	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:29:00 - [43] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Kaughst wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Kaughst wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Maybe making the flaylock like a roket pistol, the biggest problem I always had with the Flay was it behaves too much like a mass driver. This leads to the following: it is as hated as the MD its hard to balance against MD (if its too close there is no reason to use the MD if **** to way apart it's nearly useless) there is nothing unique... It was meant as a rocketpistol but behaves like grenade launcher My suggestion: buff direct damage give it a small splash radius remove the firing arc (makes no sense on a rocket pistol) and increase projectile speed. Add a special variant that can lock on infantry (lock on time should be based on scan profil) The description had said that it locks on. And even the CPM at the time before it was released thought it could lock on. If it had solely the damage direct/splash as it does now and locks on at a reasonable distance maybe 10 or 15 meters, it wouldn't be that bad of a weapon...unfortunately the lock on mechanics are a little cruddy right now. i don't want lock on---that makes it OP. however, returning it to 4 clip size, pre-nerf blast radius, and an average of prenerf damage and current damage would make it perfect, i think. No, than it competes with the MD. Nothing separates the weapon from the MD and giving it more damage, radius, clip size does not help that. other than the fact that it would still be worse in every wayGÇª.currently, it still "competes with the mass driver" as one of the most unused weapons in the game. next patch, MD's are getting a massive buff, so flay locks should as well. It only makes sense. The only people who would dislike that are gallente spammers You can not compare a Light Weapon with a Sidearm, the Flaylock does not need a buff purely because you claim they are both 'underused' the MD is more effective at killing people than the Flaylock will ever be because of the fact it is a Light Weapon and is obvious to me when I use it. And if you are comparing the weapons and increasing the damage to Flaylock in response it will do nothing but compete with it because there is very little difference in properties between the two, all you would do with a damage buff to clip ect. is put the weapon closely to the feasibility of the MD this build and no one wants that...No one wants a sidearm floating around that is almost as strong as the MD and it will never happen... "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 118	Posted - 2014.03.22 05:36:00 - [44] - Quote There are 2 scenarios for making the flaylock viable. I have used the FP and its a fun weapon to kill but not very consistent to be a reliable sidearm. The initial stats when its was OP competed with light firearms (HUGE MISTAKE CCP) here are my 2 ideas 1) Skill-shot with high direct damage ,rewarding but risky -buff direct damage (like 250hp std , 262hp adv, 275hp proto) -faster projectile speed with no drop, after 40m travel it will auto-detonate (can't spam like MD @ limited range) -keep current splash dmg and radius This form will make it a hand held rocket launcher (as what i get from in-game description), very tricky to hit moving targets but if you are skilled, you'd do high damage, but you only get 3-4 shots. Also good to take down sentinels or commandos that are bigger targets so an anti-heavy weapon of sorts but you only get so much total ammo and clip and still a very risky weapon but rewarding if you find good technique. 2) Keep current form but return splash radius number to pre-nerf levels Now that is isn't doing darn near 200hp+ splash, this would make it useful but a very situational weapon like super close where you'd have to aim at the ankles to get results.However this would make it some sort of mini MD weapon......obviously many people are against that but that is the only alternative to what we have right now. What you guys think? To be honest I am all for the number 1. This would make the breach version really cool it would do almost 400 per shot but only 2 in the clip....DO YOU FEEL LUCKY! Trust in the Rust! 7-Time Matar Mass Driver World Champion Combat Rifle is for Combat!
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 255	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:06:00 - [45] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: There are 2 scenarios for making the flaylock viable. I have used the FP and its a fun weapon to kill but not very consistent to be a reliable sidearm. The initial stats when its was OP competed with light firearms (HUGE MISTAKE CCP) here are my 2 ideas 1) Skill-shot with high direct damage ,rewarding but risky -buff direct damage (like 250hp std , 262hp adv, 275hp proto) -faster projectile speed with no drop, after 40m travel it will auto-detonate (can't spam like MD @ limited range) -keep current splash dmg and radius This form will make it a hand held rocket launcher (as what i get from in-game description), very tricky to hit moving targets but if you are skilled, you'd do high damage, but you only get 3-4 shots. Also good to take down sentinels or commandos that are bigger targets so an anti-heavy weapon of sorts but you only get so much total ammo and clip and still a very risky weapon but rewarding if you find good technique. 2) Keep current form but return splash radius number to pre-nerf levels Now that is isn't doing darn near 200hp+ splash, this would make it useful but a very situational weapon like super close where you'd have to aim at the ankles to get results.However this would make it some sort of mini MD weapon......obviously many people are against that but that is the only alternative to what we have right now. What you guys think? To be honest I am all for the number 1. This would make the breach version really cool it would do almost 400 per shot but only 2 in the clip....DO YOU FEEL LUCKY! option 1 seems good, kinda like a mini rocket shotgun :) Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1482	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:27:00 - [46] - Quote Make it fire straight and up the projectile speed a bit. It is supposed to be a pistol, but harder to land than the hitscan ones. Ergo, it should be more powerful than them shot-for-shot, if you can manage to hit with it. We already have a Mass Driver, we don't need a Mass Pistol. Shields as Weapons Zelda Dynasty Warriors is a real thing.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1030	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:29:00 - [47] - Quote Splash radius increase would be nice, the damage is fine though. *Assassination is my thing.*
Tectonic Fusion 1275	Posted - 2014.03.22 22:37:00 - [48] - Quote I think it needs more projectile speed, damage, and clip size. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4425	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:10:00 - [49] - Quote Splash radius is all it needs; maybe slight damage buff. It fulfills its role as a finisher weapon, aside from that. I am your scan error.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 341	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:12:00 - [50] - Quote Increase the projectile speed 3 fold and it would be fine...It fires rockets for god sakes... Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Sidearms are terribly underestimated.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1879	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:19:00 - [51] - Quote Leave it as is plus one small change. Allow it to lock onto infantry, make the lock time based off of the targets Sig Profile. Nothing ridiculous quick or ridiculous long either. It is after all, the flayLOCK. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1195	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:50:00 - [52] - Quote Give the core a 5m splash when maxed out. Keep everything else the same. It would be situational, and useful. Remember the original concept for it? lol homing micro missiles.... Such a silly concept. Giving us back a single rocket "swarm launcher" that homes on infantry. Glad CCP learned from at least one of their past mistakes. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 194	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:56:00 - [53] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: thesupertman wrote: I just think it needs a bigger splash area. So, make it OP again? Not necessarilyGÇªthe original Flaylock Problem was due to a glitch where the 'splash damage' triggered the headshot code and multiplied the damageGÇª I think this glitch has been ironed outGÇªmaybeGÇª I believe I got a headshot sound effect when I MD'd a guy in the foot a while back. But it could have been my imaginationGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 995	Posted - 2014.03.23 00:04:00 - [54] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: I don't see why nova knives aren't a minmatar weapon and flaylock isn't a caldari... Minmatar invented most of the missiles that caldari use. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
mollerz 2839	Posted - 2014.03.23 00:06:00 - [55] - Quote A decent buff would be to make it shoot snowballs and fireworks and rename it the festival flaylok! I mean, unless it can do enough damage to kill someone it is just pisspoorpoop. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1427	Posted - 2014.03.23 01:19:00 - [56] - Quote It should be a smallish splash radius as it is now.. Makes it more a skill based shot. However Direct Damage shots from a Flaylock does LESS then splash damage... Direct Damage shots need a 50% damage increase. Std, ADV flaylocks need a 20% damage increase.. Proto needs a 10% damage increase... Gun fixed.


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