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Testing Turbo
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:49:00 -
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Take it off me .. take all 5m of it .. I don;t want to be skilled into non caldari tech now we are getting racial parity and it sickens me seeing my skill tree everyday ...
I always want a perfect skill tree full caldari everything .. it is my dream , and I will never achieve that dream now ... if we'd had racial weapons and known that certain equips were racial types I wouldn't have skilled into them but ya didn't give me that information to make an informed decision
I 'd rather lose 5m SP than keep those skills
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1139
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:53:00 -
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Sign me up. I'd rather CCP delete the SP in the assault rifle and SMG than have SP in those skills.
Optimally, I'd like a refund of those SP, but barring that, please let me delete the SP.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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al nize mk2
DUST University
Ivy League
32
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:59:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Sign me up. I'd rather CCP delete the SP in the assault rifle and SMG than have SP in those skills.
Optimally, I'd like a refund of those SP, but barring that, please let me delete the SP.
Okay you sound like a good person to ask - everyone's saying the AR is dead. I've skilled into it a bit and I reckon I'm still going to be AR in 1.8.
Am I mental? Is the AR literally completely useless now?? Can you explain why - I understand the nerfs are happening but they're happening to a lot of rifles so doesn't it even out?
Sorry lots of questions but I'm anxious about it... a bit...
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
271
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:03:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Sign me up. I'd rather CCP delete the SP in the assault rifle and SMG than have SP in those skills.
Optimally, I'd like a refund of those SP, but barring that, please let me delete the SP. Okay you sound like a good person to ask - everyone's saying the AR is dead. I've skilled into it a bit and I reckon I'm still going to be AR in 1.8. Am I mental? Is the AR literally completely useless now?? Can you explain why - I understand the nerfs are happening but they're happening to a lot of rifles so doesn't it even out? Sorry lots of questions but I'm anxious about it... a bit...
I'd never skill out of the AR, It helps with the starterfit suits
Sees prototompers...
Sees blueberries start to snipe...
Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
776
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:04:00 -
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+1
Just eliminate the Assault rifle from the game really. It has no role anymore, other than to remind us that it was once considered OP.
Expect similar woes from SMG users shortly who feel they wasted their SP when the Magsec will be everything an SMG was and more.
Introducing new gear that obviously outdates older stuff is old hat MMO stuff. CCP should try something new.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Mocking Bird Inc.
887
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:06:00 -
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AR is frickin awesome. I'm caldari but who the hell cares - it is fun to have the heavy machine gun, the scrabler rifle, the plasma cannon and so on.
Assault rifle has nothing on me
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1783
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:07:00 -
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hmm. I don't think I'd delete the sp, JUST IN CASE they had another change to the skill tree and gave us a refund for it.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3346
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:10:00 -
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This is one of the strangest requests I've seen on these forums yet. If CCP actually complied with this you know that a major AR buff would happen and everyone would want their skills back.
It's not like SP that you aren't currently using in your favorite fit is hurting you. I even ran Tac AR for a few matches the other day just to mix things up and was shredding people with it.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
237
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:37:00 -
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People still seem to die to my Exile Assault Rifle... |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1650
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:43:00 -
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can i haz your sp? |
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al nize mk2
DUST University
Ivy League
32
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:43:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:People still seem to die to my Exile Assault Rifle...
This is what I'm thinking - I still get plenty of kills with a lame looking toxin assault rifle. Granted the makeshift build it's on falls to pieces whenever the wind changes direction but enemies are still going down.
I can't find a good reason to just forget about AR's altogether because the reality is it will just take a bit longer to knock someone out and I'm okay with that - at least until we see how it's working in 1.8!
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
27
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:44:00 -
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This is the dumbest request ever.
It in no way harms your playing having them there. If in the future they buff the AR, are you going to demand your SP back? I have LVL 1 of a bunch of weapons I never use because I needed to see how they play. Someday, that initial kick might come in handy. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2183
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:45:00 -
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lol ccp if you take their sp please give it to me, I don't really care what I use to kill people with. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5943
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:47:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:This is the dumbest request ever.
It in no way harms your playing having them there. If in the future they buff the AR, are you going to demand your SP back? I have LVL 1 of a bunch of weapons I never use because I needed to see how they play. Someday, that initial kick might come in handy.
From an RP standpoint, it does.
AV > HAV > INF > AV | Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3348
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:RayRay James wrote:This is the dumbest request ever.
It in no way harms your playing having them there. If in the future they buff the AR, are you going to demand your SP back? I have LVL 1 of a bunch of weapons I never use because I needed to see how they play. Someday, that initial kick might come in handy. From an RP standpoint, it does.
If you bring RP into this, which I whole heartedly agree with, then here's the scenario:
We are still very early in the immortal clone soldier program. The megacorporations are rushing to deliver equipment designs suitable for our use with some corporations delivering before others. Most of us started back when the Assault Rifle was the only infantry rifle available and we learned how to use it. As new weapons, suits, equipment and vehicles are introduced we have not forgotten how to use that gear. We killed with the AR. We earned our war points with the AR. We know how to use suits produced by our enemies -- because we had to.
This is why most role-players are against respecs. This is why I am against them. Those skills are ingrained in our memories in the same way you learned how to ride a bike as a child.
A loyal Caldari soldier may look back on his past and his use of the AR with distaste. That's totally fine. Use your State Rail Rifle with pride. But, you killed with the AR. You remember the AR and could use it effectively again if you picked one up.
Life is messy, especially when living on the cutting edge of clone soldier technology.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
589
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:12:00 -
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+1
this OP is right.. i feel like i have to spec back into gallante dropsuits because my AR skills are maxed... iether refund the weapon skill or take them off me simple.
i have 30 mil sp and im only using about 7 mil at the moment because of pointless skills.
"just a heavy scrub with a rail rifle"
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Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
2074
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:20:00 -
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why take it off you....
such a pointless request.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
29
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:25:00 -
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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:+1
this OP is right.. i feel like i have to spec back into gallante dropsuits because my AR skills are maxed... iether refund the weapon skill or take them off me simple.
i have 30 mil sp and im only using about 7 mil at the moment because of pointless skills.
You can only use a limited amount of SP on any suit at any time anyways. I have a few more than 30 Mil SP, not like my DS skills effect my tanks or vice versa. |
Seamie Schmoove
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:28:00 -
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AR is still the rifle I feel most comfortable using and I still see other people
getting kills with them so I will never skill out of them. (I still pine for my old
Chromosome Allotek Burst AR. Favourite weapon of any build so far)
I'm waiting on 1.8 to see just how things are but the bonus the Gallente
Assault is actually making me consider skipping out of Calsault for the first
time ever. Choices, choices...
Playing the game badly since Replication
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
2260
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:31:00 -
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Awwww, poor FOTM chaser :( |
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3351
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:32:00 -
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Seamie Schmoove wrote:AR is still the rifle I feel most comfortable using and I still see other people
getting kills with them so I will never skill out of them. (I still pine for my old
Chromosome Allotek Burst AR. Favourite weapon of any build so far)
I'm waiting on 1.8 to see just how things are but the bonus the Gallente
Assault is actually making me consider skipping out of Calsault for the first
time ever. Choices, choices...
The AR is fine in close quarters. In 1.8 the regular and tactical versions have higher DPS with no spool up time than the Rail Rifle and more damage potential per clip than the Combat Rifle. Even in our current patch I do just fine with the AR as long as I have cover and the Rail and Scramblers don't beat me with their range. Just keep a fit with the Tactical AR for working in open areas.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3049
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:32:00 -
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lolcpm
Intelligence is OP
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
140
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:35:00 -
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What a bunch of min/max whiners, ill keep my ar skills thank you
Quebec United CFO
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
2260
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:36:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Seamie Schmoove wrote:AR is still the rifle I feel most comfortable using and I still see other people
getting kills with them so I will never skill out of them. (I still pine for my old
Chromosome Allotek Burst AR. Favourite weapon of any build so far)
I'm waiting on 1.8 to see just how things are but the bonus the Gallente
Assault is actually making me consider skipping out of Calsault for the first
time ever. Choices, choices... The AR is fine in close quarters. In 1.8 the regular and tactical versions have higher DPS with no spool up time than the Rail Rifle and more damage potential per clip than the Combat Rifle. Even in our current patch I do just fine with the AR as long as I have cover and the Rail and Scramblers don't beat me with their range. Just keep a fit with the Tactical AR for working in open areas.
Yep and with sharpshooter and gallente assault skills trained to V, the AR will have the best sustained and accurate DPS. You can shoot the AR for longer than all the other weapons combines and have a much lower disperson at the point the Scr would overheat, the CR would be reloading, and the RR would be shooting way above your head. |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
663
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:36:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:People still seem to die to my Exile Assault Rifle...
The patch hasn't hit. Some people (myself included) feel the AR will all but die post 1.8. The reason I personally feel this way is because with ARs being an anti shield weapon, whenever you fire it, and your shots hit armor, your weapon proficiency does not apply. Your AR proficiency could be at 5, but if you are hitting armor, it might as well be 0. Not only that, but hits on armor only do 80% of the ARs damage.
This works the other way as well. The Combat and Rail rifle will be good against armor, but weak in the same ways against shields.
So whats the problem? Many people (again, myself included) feel that shields are not currently working properly and or just flat out suck. Whenever it was that they buffed armor so long ago (1.3, 1.4 ish, can't remember) they broke shields in the process. Armor, in my mind, is the far superior type of hp to run, and I honestly chuckle a little to myself when I see people speak of dual tanking at this time in the game.
Anyway, thats why I personally feel the AR is gonna be all but forgotten post 1.8. Hell, watch the kill feed right now, all CR/RR. I could be completely wrong, but if i'm not, the ScR is gonna feel the pinch as well.
On getting the sp back. Meh, no big deal. If you have the AR 5ed out, thats still a good thing to have. If you're a slayer you may not be crazy about it, but if you work with a squad you could still be an effective part of it.
Plus we literally just got a free 2 mil sp, and dropsuit command refund next week. I'd say you are getting a little greedy at this point lol. Also, ground is going to be an awful, hellish place to be next build. Which is why I will be going airborne
Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood.
Futurama
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
2260
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:42:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:DeeJay One wrote:People still seem to die to my Exile Assault Rifle... The patch hasn't hit. Some people (myself included) feel the AR will all but die post 1.8. The reason I personally feel this way is because with ARs being an anti shield weapon, whenever you fire it, and your shots hit armor, your weapon proficiency does not apply. Your AR proficiency could be at 5, but if you are hitting armor, it might as well be 0. Not only that, but hits on armor only do 80% of the ARs damage. This works the other way as well. The Combat and Rail rifle will be good against armor, but weak in the same ways against shields. So whats the problem? Many people (again, myself included) feel that shields are not currently working properly and or just flat out suck. Whenever it was that they buffed armor so long ago (1.3, 1.4 ish, can't remember) they broke shields in the process. Armor, in my mind, is the far superior type of hp to run, and I honestly chuckle a little to myself when I see people speak of dual tanking at this time in the game. Anyway, thats why I personally feel the AR is gonna be all but forgotten post 1.8. Hell, watch the kill feed right now, all CR/RR. I could be completely wrong, but if i'm not, the ScR is gonna feel the pinch as well. On getting the sp back. Meh, no big deal. If you have the AR 5ed out, thats still a good thing to have. If you're a slayer you may not be crazy about it, but if you work with a squad you could still be an effective part of it. Plus we literally just got a free 2 mil sp, and dropsuit command refund next week. I'd say you are getting a little greedy at this point lol. Also, ground is going to be an awful, hellish place to be next build. Which is why I will be going airborne
No.
Your shields suck, because you haven't figured out how to use them yet.
You can't fight like an armor player just sitting there taking all the bullets during the duration of your clip. You bob and weave a whole lot more than armor. Deplete THEIR shield, or strip it a bit, wait for yours to regen, then return fire again before theirs gets a chance to restart. You can't fight 'head-first' COD style. Shield and armor MUST fight different for them to make sense. Shields aren't JUST faster, they must have a different rythm. |
Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
236
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:46:00 -
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Testing Turbo wrote:Take it off me .. take all 5m of it .. I don;t want to be skilled into non caldari tech now we are getting racial parity and it sickens me seeing my skill tree everyday ...
I always want a perfect skill tree full caldari everything .. it is my dream , and I will never achieve that dream now ... if we'd had racial weapons and known that certain equips were racial types I wouldn't have skilled into them but ya didn't give me that information to make an informed decision
I 'd rather lose 5m SP than keep those skills
Well, if you have such big problems with your non Caldari stuff, you are just stupid. CCP has always said, NO MORE RESPEC.
They said it and you did it anyway. Don't tell me you had no other possibility. There was the Sniper rifle, or you could have used the militia assault rifle.
I have never skilled into any other weapon than Minmatar, and I havn't even skille into smg... So I had to use the MD for most of my career exclusively.
So you basically tell us you've been weak and skilled into something you didn't want to skill into and now you cry like a baby...
Please dude biomass your character and leave the game, you're better of in COD or some other kindergarden game...
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3352
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:47:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:[quote=DeeJay One] ... stuff ...
The AR is only -10% effectiveness against armor not including skills unlike the Scrambler which has no trouble eating through armor. You can say the Rail Rifle is going to be weak against shield suits due to lack of skills and -10% effectiveness. If a shield user has cover they can recover extremely fast compared to armor focused suits.
I'm curious to see how this plays out on the battlefield now that we have more variables in our damage profiles. There are plenty of Caldari that are excited to get their Scouts and Heavies which will be heavily biased towards shield.
Picking a sidearm that compliments your main weapon is going to become more important. AR users should carry a Magsec or Bolt Pistol. Rail users should carry Flux and maybe a Scrambler Pistol. As a primarily CR user I'll be fine with Flux.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
663
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:48:00 -
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Oh gee really? I can't just stand there and hope my shields don't drop?
Yea, i'm aware of how it goes. I can also take massive chunks of shields away from enemies in fractions of second, just as everyone else can. If speed tanking was more viable shields might not be as ridiculous, but its not.
As for CoD, i've never played it, i'm gonna have to take your word on how it works.
Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood.
Futurama
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
239
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:59:00 -
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Frankly, whenever I get into armour I'm usually toast anyway. Also from an RP standpoint, you're main advantage is the ability to use weapons gathered from the battlefield and if you're a Gurista you'll shoot Caldari pretty often so having shield hitting weapons is also a plus.
We'll see how shield tanking pans out in the long run, for now the Caldari Sentinel looks pretty shield heavy for me... |
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