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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:26:00 -
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Fairly simple question for you guys. Is it more important during the course of a match to see a target or not be seen by your target? If you have to focus on one or the other, which do you find more important?
Having a low profile and not being seen?
or
Having a low precision (totally counter-intuitive, but that's a good thing) and seeing others?
For whichever you think is most important, are there any conditions that would cause you to change your mind? Is one always better than the other?
It's completely to your play style, there is no wrong or right answer. I just want opinions other than my own.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:30:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Hugely dependent upon on on your role, loadout and the task at hand.
List some then.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:58:00 -
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Murt Lesp wrote:Does this apply to the Caldari Scout vs Gallente Scout debate?
If so, I'd say staying hidden is more important. Finding targets is easy by comparison
It does. Good catch. While only a few have responded so far, it seems like the majority think staying hidden is more important, and it sounds like they run scouts. One person even said while he's playing his heavy, he couldn't care less about being hidden.
Hopefully I get more response to this. If the community feels that staying hidden is the more important of the two, than [i]the burden should fall to the player to stay hidden[/b].
As it stands, all things being equal (same skills, same number of damps/enhancers), a Gallente Scout will always be hidden from a Caldari Scout. Currently, the burden falls to the Caldari Scout needs to put effort into fitting that one extra mod to see the Gallente Scout. If being hidden is more important for the general case, this should be reversed.
To reflect its importance, the burden should fall to the Gallente Scout to stay hidden from the Caldari Scout by having that one skill level higher or, both have maxed skills, to fit that one extra mod.
On the opposite end, if it's more important for heavy suits to see targets rather than not be seen by targets, the burden should fall to them to train Precision Enhancement higher than their target's Profile Dampening, or to fit more Precisions Enhancers than his target has Profile Damps.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:59:00 -
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Cotsy8 wrote:The edit is wrong FYI
Its is far more important to see them then they see you.
So you miss one or two Scouts, it's not gonna matter.
See the enemy, avoid tanks.
My opinion is not wrong. This is a completely subjective game balance issue. Good try.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.03.20 01:31:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:So, this is really a Caldari versus Gallente scout question. I see the Caldari as a real recon scout with a less of a combat role than the other scouts. They should focus on seeing everything for their squad in a passive manner to avoid alerting the enemy that they have been targeted. The Gallente is the exact opposite. Their role is to slip in and take out targets of opportunity, preferably starting with any Caldari scouts.
Both have strong roles to play. Both should attempt to maximize all aspects of sensor warfare while retaining a fair ability at engaging targets. Saying you have to choose one or the other without setting the context is pointless.
It's very much a question of what the community values more in general. The Caldari-Gallente Scout scenario is a byproduct of that. I have set the context. The context is that, if you believe hiding is more important than seeing, that importance should be evident in the extra effort required to hide. It is purely subjective. Let me edit your post.
"The Caldari is the exact opposite. Their role is to find targets of opportunity for the squad to take out, preferably starting with any Gallente scouts."
As I said, all thing being equal, a Gallente Scout with never be seen by a Caldari Scout. If hiding is more important than seeing, this should be reversed and, all things being equal, a Caldari Scout should always see a Gallente Scout. ('All things being equal' means, equivalent skills and equal number of respective mods.)
And it just occurred to me (ashamed it didn't sooner,) even if the Caldari Scout took priority and the burden to stay hidden fell to the Gallente Scout, Cloaks would still offset this and there is no counter. In the end, with things done my way, the Caldari Scout would always see a Gallente Scout of equal skill and with equal number of mods. Until the Gallente Scout activated his Cloak.
The change is as simple as tweaking scan profile and scan precision values to maintain the status quo except to in the case of the Caldari Scout seeing the Gallente Scout.
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